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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Why would Chicago want to obliterate their cap space with Deng + Jules (who needs to be re-signed)? |
I think 1 big reason is because the Bulls know they aren’t going anywhere for a while, and Randle is better for them then overpaying for some vet like Monroe, they aren’t gonna get any marquee FAs to go there so Randle signing a extension in Chicago makes sense, again it really depends if the Bulls really like Deng around the Bulls locker room and that Randle is a better alternative then using cap space on overrated vets. |
They would have to send back matching deals. Which players are on expiring deals that add up? |
They don't have to match exactly. They have like 15 mill in cap space according to the trade machine. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Will that filler be Ball or Ingram? |
It will likely be Randle added in a Deng deal |
Not without Ball or Ingram, maybe not even then. Unless they can dump an ugly contract on us.
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| Interesting that Deng is a possible destination for Chicago, most of the trade proposals involved Deng being traded there, I would love to somehow get Valentine, he’s on a cheap contract and he can end up being a good 3pt weapon on the Lakees. |
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PRLakeShow
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Interesting that Deng is a possible destination for Chicago, most of the trade proposals involved Deng being traded there, I would love to somehow get Valentine, he’s on a cheap contract and he can end up being a good 3pt weapon on the Lakees. |
Come on man. We wouldn't get anything of value back in a Deng trade. |
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| governator wrote: | Luol Deng to the Celts for our pick back
JC to Nets for another 1st rd pick
Call it a day |
Then wake up.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Will that filler be Ball or Ingram? |
It will likely be Randle added in a Deng deal |
Not without Ball or Ingram, maybe not even then. Unless they can dump an ugly contract on us. |
It really depends on how much the Bulls think about Deng being helpful in a losing envorinment, they might think he’s the sort of guy to calm the storm when loses pile up |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Why would Chicago want to obliterate their cap space with Deng + Jules (who needs to be re-signed)? |
I think 1 big reason is because the Bulls know they aren’t going anywhere for a while, and Randle is better for them then overpaying for some vet like Monroe, they aren’t gonna get any marquee FAs to go there so Randle signing a extension in Chicago makes sense, again it really depends if the Bulls really like Deng around the Bulls locker room and that Randle is a better alternative then using cap space on overrated vets. |
They would have to send back matching deals. Which players are on expiring deals that add up? |
They don't have to match exactly. They have like 15 mill in cap space according to the trade machine. |
Gotcha. But why would Chicago basically want to tie up at least 36-40m in Deng/Jules (assuming he's extended)?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Interesting that Deng is a possible destination for Chicago, most of the trade proposals involved Deng being traded there, I would love to somehow get Valentine, he’s on a cheap contract and he can end up being a good 3pt weapon on the Lakees. |
We're not getting anything of value man.
We'd give em randle/deng and couple picks. Then we probably have to take back Robin Lopez or something. Who is a free agent in 2019. |
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The Bulls are tanking, if we offered the 2019 and 2021 first round picks unprotected after the next draft they might bite.
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | Tidbits from WOJ POD.
Bulls as a destination for Deng. They have cap and are bad so need to accumulate assets by taking on bad contracts. Also need a leader and Deng is a familiar face.
Woj doesn't think Ingram would be traded.
Talked about attaching Deng/Randle to a team that wants randle and willing to pay him.
Importance of trading Deng now because if 2018 comes and we have per say Lebron and George willing to come. We will be not have any leverage cause teams know we have to get rid of Deng and will ask for a premium.
Some Lebron Paul george stuff, but Windhorst did say that even if its not them we should look to off load contracts. |
The Lakers don't have any leverage in moving Deng now, and throwing in Randle in a free agency year isn't going to do it. It's going to require a future 1st, and if Maginka give up an unprotected 1st to move Deng, I'll plotz and then puke.
The far more likely scenario is moving Julius with JC and then stretching Deng. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Bulls are tanking, if we offered the 2019 and 2021 first round picks unprotected after the next draft they might bite. |
Ugh. Now imagine the Lakers don't sign any free agents of note next summer and lose three 1sts in the next four years. Ugh. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | Tidbits from WOJ POD.
Bulls as a destination for Deng. They have cap and are bad so need to accumulate assets by taking on bad contracts. Also need a leader and Deng is a familiar face.
Woj doesn't think Ingram would be traded.
Talked about attaching Deng/Randle to a team that wants randle and willing to pay him.
Importance of trading Deng now because if 2018 comes and we have per say Lebron and George willing to come. We will be not have any leverage cause teams know we have to get rid of Deng and will ask for a premium.
Some Lebron Paul george stuff, but Windhorst did say that even if its not them we should look to off load contracts. |
The Lakers don't have any leverage in moving Deng now, and throwing in Randle in a free agency year isn't going to do it. It's going to require a future 1st, and if Maginka give up an unprotected 1st to move Deng, I'll plotz and then puke.
The far more likely scenario is moving Julius with JC and then stretching Deng. |
I'm just the messenger man LOL |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Why would Chicago want to obliterate their cap space with Deng + Jules (who needs to be re-signed)? |
I think 1 big reason is because the Bulls know they aren’t going anywhere for a while, and Randle is better for them then overpaying for some vet like Monroe, they aren’t gonna get any marquee FAs to go there so Randle signing a extension in Chicago makes sense, again it really depends if the Bulls really like Deng around the Bulls locker room and that Randle is a better alternative then using cap space on overrated vets. |
They would have to send back matching deals. Which players are on expiring deals that add up? |
They don't have to match exactly. They have like 15 mill in cap space according to the trade machine. |
Gotcha. But why would Chicago basically want to tie up at least 36-40m in Deng/Jules (assuming he's extended)? |
I'm not the one arguing that it will happen. Only answer I can give you is PICKS. See ventura's post. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Bulls are tanking, if we offered the 2019 and 2021 first round picks unprotected after the next draft they might bite. |
Ugh. Now imagine the Lakers don't sign any free agents of note next summer and lose three 1sts in the next four years. Ugh. |
My goodness. And dumping DLO too. That's grounds to be fired if that happens next summer. At least hold off until LBJ/PG13 give a commitment b/f jettisoning more of the future.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Julius/Deng idea doesn't necessarily have to be Chicago.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | The Julius/Deng idea doesn't necessarily have to be Chicago. |
But it most likely result in us taking a Deng type of deal back.
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| 32 wrote: | | The Julius/Deng idea doesn't necessarily have to be Chicago. |
I can't think of many teams that would be intrigued with the long term bill on those two. (and have the cap space next summer for a salary dump).
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Interesting that Deng is a possible destination for Chicago, most of the trade proposals involved Deng being traded there, I would love to somehow get Valentine, he’s on a cheap contract and he can end up being a good 3pt weapon on the Lakees. |
We're not getting anything of value man.
We'd give em randle/deng and couple picks. Then we probably have to take back Robin Lopez or something. Who is a free agent in 2019. |
Don’t underestimate the Bulls being dumb, they are the worse FO in the league. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Bulls are tanking, if we offered the 2019 and 2021 first round picks unprotected after the next draft they might bite. |
Ugh. Now imagine the Lakers don't sign any free agents of note next summer and lose three 1sts in the next four years. Ugh. |
My goodness. And dumping DLO too. That's grounds to be fired if that happens next summer. At least hold off until LBJ/PG13 give a commitment b/f jettisoning more of the future. |
Right, which is why they almost certainly will have to hold off on a Deng decision until summer unless Maginka can fleece some completely vapid, obscenely drunk GM in the next few months. |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | Tidbits from WOJ POD.
Bulls as a destination for Deng. They have cap and are bad so need to accumulate assets by taking on bad contracts. Also need a leader and Deng is a familiar face.
Woj doesn't think Ingram would be traded.
Talked about attaching Deng/Randle to a team that wants randle and willing to pay him.
Importance of trading Deng now because if 2018 comes and we have per say Lebron and George willing to come. We will be not have any leverage cause teams know we have to get rid of Deng and will ask for a premium.
Some Lebron Paul george stuff, but Windhorst did say that even if its not them we should look to off load contracts. |
The Lakers don't have any leverage in moving Deng now, and throwing in Randle in a free agency year isn't going to do it. It's going to require a future 1st, and if Maginka give up an unprotected 1st to move Deng, I'll plotz and then puke.
The far more likely scenario is moving Julius with JC and then stretching Deng. |
I'm just the messenger man LOL |
No worries, lol. I don't have a personal Twitter account otherwise I would go bîtch at Windhorst for being stupid directly. |
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| How about Deng, Zubac, and our 2019 1st for Mirotic? |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | How about Deng, Zubac, and our 2019 1st for Mirotic? |
we don't have a 2018 1st |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | Just listened to the podcast. They had windhorst and bobby marks as guests. They basically talked about several scenarios to open space for Lebron/George. Woj didn't think it was a good idea to stretch Deng. Better to trade him if possible. Woj did mention the Bulls but just as an idea. They talked about what it would take to move Deng. For starters probably a future 1st unprotected. They also discussed Deng and Randle as a package deal. There is more detail. Still just a bunch of ideas. Go to around 45:00 on podcast.
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Magic and Pelinka would do that deal in a heartbeat if they knew it was possible.
Problem is that we are on the outside looking in on PG and to trade another young piece (or 2) to move Deng is not wise unless you know we can definitively get 2 guys. |
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This is from Eric's new article today (lakers lounge). Pretty much the same thing the woj podcast discussed.
| Quote: | | If the Lakers are fully committed to their free-agent plan next season, Randle may prove to be the bait that helps the franchise get out of Deng's contract—but Randle would need to build up significant value to do so. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | This is from Eric's new article today (lakers lounge). Pretty much the same thing the woj podcast discussed.
| Quote: | | If the Lakers are fully committed to their free-agent plan next season, Randle may prove to be the bait that helps the franchise get out of Deng's contract—but Randle would need to build up significant value to do so. |
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If he’s building significant value, that means the team is likely winning, I don’t think the Lakers trade him if the team is performing well. |
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