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pjiddy
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | I really don't think KAT is available. |
Me either unless the Wolves get a deal they can't refuse. |
So he's available then. |
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Freddie Buckets
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | I really don't think KAT is available. |
Me either unless the Wolves get a deal they can't refuse. |
So he's available then. |
I am of the mindset most players except your truly elite players (LeBron, KD, Harden etc.) can be gotten for the right offer. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The Wolves would be nuts to trade KAT, but if they are actually dumb enough to make him available, we have to at least make a phone call. |
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anth2000
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Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
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Jsthornton7
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | The Wolves would be nuts to trade KAT, but if they are actually dumb enough to make him available, we have to at least make a phone call. |
I’m hoping San Antonio makes a phone call to MIN to discuss a KAT- Kawhi swap. |
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scoobs
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
He makes sense for us for a lot of reasons but we probably dont have the pieces that Minnesota would want for him. They already have two wing players that are similar to Ingram in Butler and Wiggins. I know Thibbs loves Hart, but thats not going to even get us close to what other teams can offer. Then if you propose a three way trade, you wonder why Minny dont just deal directly with that third team. This would be ideal because we could use an established star on a cheap contract to start building. But unfortunately, its probably unlikely. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
He makes sense for us for a lot of reasons but we probably dont have the pieces that Minnesota would want for him. They already have two wing players that are similar to Ingram in Butler and Wiggins. I know Thibbs loves Hart, but thats not going to even get us close to what other teams can offer. Then if you propose a three way trade, you wonder why Minny dont just deal directly with that third team. This would be ideal because we could use an established star on a cheap contract to start building. But unfortunately, its probably unlikely. |
Would they be interested in Ball? |
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scoobs
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
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Freddie Buckets
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| scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
How much cash can we ship in a trade? Does that count against the cap? |
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scoobs
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Vanquish wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
He makes sense for us for a lot of reasons but we probably dont have the pieces that Minnesota would want for him. They already have two wing players that are similar to Ingram in Butler and Wiggins. I know Thibbs loves Hart, but thats not going to even get us close to what other teams can offer. Then if you propose a three way trade, you wonder why Minny dont just deal directly with that third team. This would be ideal because we could use an established star on a cheap contract to start building. But unfortunately, its probably unlikely. |
Would they be interested in Ball? |
You know what? He is a good defender and Teague is kind of a mediocre point guard, so yeah he seems like somebody Thibbs would be interested in, granted they get some better floor spacers because three point shooting isnt Butler and Wiggens forte and they wouldnt have Towns any more to do that if hes gone. |
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scoobs
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
How much cash can we ship in a trade? Does that count against the cap? |
5.2 million is the max we could ship out and it doesnt affect the cap in any way, negative or positive. |
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scoobs
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| But we cant use the cash for another 12 months to my understanding. |
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Freddie Buckets
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| scoobs wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
How much cash can we ship in a trade? Does that count against the cap? |
5.2 million is the max we could ship out and it doesnt affect the cap in any way, negative or positive. |
would suck to see Hart go but I'd be okay with it if it means getting rid of Deng and keep BI and Kuzma. |
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scoobs
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
How much cash can we ship in a trade? Does that count against the cap? |
5.2 million is the max we could ship out and it doesnt affect the cap in any way, negative or positive. |
would suck to see Hart go but I'd be okay with it if it means getting rid of Deng and keep BI and Kuzma. |
Heck yeah, I wanted the Lakers to trade for Danny Green a long time ago, now we have a better version of him in Hart. I dont recall us ever having a straight up 3 and D player since maybe the 3 peat era with people like Rick Fox. Hart is 3 and D and then some. I would really hate to part with him too, but you have to give up something to get something. Imo, I dont think there is a team out there that will just absorb Deng for draft picks, not until the end of the free agency period anyway. |
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Sentient Meat
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| I think Hart would be getting rid of someone like Ariza... he will be a solid vet for many years but BI or Kuzma are the kind you really might regret in three to five years. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | I think Hart would be getting rid of someone like Ariza... he will be a solid vet for many years but BI or Kuzma are the kind you really might regret in three to five years. |
I think Ariza would have extended our window a few years.
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| PG13 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | I think Hart would be getting rid of someone like Ariza... he will be a solid vet for many years but BI or Kuzma are the kind you really might regret in three to five years. |
I think Ariza would have extended our window a few years. |
I still like Ariza... I'm just saying the damage won't be catastrophic. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
I would be very much against this trade unless Lebron has already committed to joining the Lakers.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | I think Hart would be getting rid of someone like Ariza... he will be a solid vet for many years but BI or Kuzma are the kind you really might regret in three to five years. |
Thats right Ariza. He was developing, but i dont recall him having an established 3 point shot until he went to Washington. As a rookie 4 year college player, Hart led the Lakers last year in three point shooting at a hair under 40%! Granted, Ariza just played one year of college though. |
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| scoobs wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
He makes sense for us for a lot of reasons but we probably dont have the pieces that Minnesota would want for him. They already have two wing players that are similar to Ingram in Butler and Wiggins. I know Thibbs loves Hart, but thats not going to even get us close to what other teams can offer. Then if you propose a three way trade, you wonder why Minny dont just deal directly with that third team. This would be ideal because we could use an established star on a cheap contract to start building. But unfortunately, its probably unlikely. |
I don’t think he makes much sense for us. He hasn’t shown himself to be a guy who gets you over the hump. Unless you just want anyone who made an allstar team.
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| Jsthornton7 wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
I would be very much against this trade unless Lebron has already comitted to joining the Lakers. |
Yeah, it would be a gamble. But maybe Laker management would do it to make sure they have the necessary cap space available on day one of free agency. When you think about it, you want to be ready to have Lebron/PG sign on the dotted line, not try to make a trade at the last minute. Then you only have a 3 day window to match on Randle, so maybe you could lock him in for less money before that. You also have to consider weather teams that were willing to make trades before free agency, dont want to any more, then we wouldbe SOL. Other factors too that im un aware of that only those in the NBA circle know about. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Car54 wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Ok folks, like 10 pages on KAT who is not even available and won''t be traded....Especially to the Lakers.
Can we move onto other players now? |
He makes sense for us for a lot of reasons but we probably dont have the pieces that Minnesota would want for him. They already have two wing players that are similar to Ingram in Butler and Wiggins. I know Thibbs loves Hart, but thats not going to even get us close to what other teams can offer. Then if you propose a three way trade, you wonder why Minny dont just deal directly with that third team. This would be ideal because we could use an established star on a cheap contract to start building. But unfortunately, its probably unlikely. |
I don’t think he makes much sense for us. He hasn’t shown himself to be a guy who gets you over the hump. Unless you just want anyone who made an allstar team. |
I hear you, but hes still a 25-12 stretch 5, maybe the type of player Lebron would want to play with? Who knows? |
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anth2000
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KAT is not a free agent..
Aren't we talking free agents here?
Once again, still looking for an article that says he's available for trades?
Nonsense....
It's like saying Anthony Davis is available when we all know he's not. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | I think Hart would be getting rid of someone like Ariza... he will be a solid vet for many years but BI or Kuzma are the kind you really might regret in three to five years. |
Thats right Ariza. He was developing, but i dont recall him having an established 3 point shot until he went to Washington. As a rookie 4 year college player, Hart led the Lakers last year in three point shooting at a hair under 40%! Granted, Ariza just played one year of college though. |
Trevor was money in the postseason though from 3 back in 09 |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | Jsthornton7 wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | We probably attach Hart, 2019 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd and 5.2 million cash to dump Deng. We would then have the likes of Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and#25 as trade bait to get something done at the deadline. If not, thats a good deep team. But hopefully thats enough to get Lebron to sign. |
I would be very much against this trade unless Lebron has already comitted to joining the Lakers. |
Yeah, it would be a gamble. But maybe Laker management would do it to make sure they have the necessary cap space available on day one of free agency. When you think about it, you want to be ready to have Lebron/PG sign on the dotted line, not try to make a trade at the last minute. Then you only have a 3 day window to match on Randle, so maybe you could lock him in for less money before that. You also have to consider weather teams that were willing to make trades before free agency, dont want to any more, then we wouldbe SOL. Other factors too that im un aware of that only those in the NBA circle know about. |
I guess what I mean was you could always have a trade lined up, like in the case with Russell and if he says yes we could pull the trigger. I think it’s like 7 days before contracts can be finalized anyways. |
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