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| trablos wrote: | | raffi wrote: | | Quote: | Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka told The Times on Friday that the Lakers' front office is constantly in touch with Julius Randle's representatives, and there has been "a mutual exchange of interest and hoping that we can work something out for both sides."
Randle's camp is unsure of how mutual the interest has been.
"We still have no indication of where Julius stands among the Lakers' priorities, or if he is a priority at all," Randle's agent Aaron Mintz said Saturday in response to Pelinka's comments. "We are looking forward to the marketplace in July, when we will get a clear picture of Julius' future."
That marketplace is expected to include the Lakers. They'll make him a qualifying offer in order to retain his rights in free agency. Then Randle, whom the Lakers drafted seventh overall in 2014, will become a restricted free agent once the league year ends. The Lakers must wait, just like the rest of the league, to offer him a contract on July 1.
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Pelinka said he does not have an upper-limit figure in mind for Randle.
"I think going into a process with kind of a position of entrenchment or here's the thin red line that we will not cross isn't necessarily the best way to approach something with an open-mindedness," Pelinka said. "I think any negotiation is between two sides. Ultimately you're hoping to find a partnership." |
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-randle-20180520-story.html |
Sounds like Lakers want to keep Jules for a good price, but Mintz obviously knows it very much hinges on our signing FAs goes and wants to squeeze the Lakers for more money. |
Yeah, and there’s some residual issues from Dlo, and the fact that while you respect a team not doing a deal last year, you know that it’s only recently that they’ve actually realized what they have in him. The small slights and nuances matter.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | trablos wrote: | | raffi wrote: | | Quote: | Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka told The Times on Friday that the Lakers' front office is constantly in touch with Julius Randle's representatives, and there has been "a mutual exchange of interest and hoping that we can work something out for both sides."
Randle's camp is unsure of how mutual the interest has been.
"We still have no indication of where Julius stands among the Lakers' priorities, or if he is a priority at all," Randle's agent Aaron Mintz said Saturday in response to Pelinka's comments. "We are looking forward to the marketplace in July, when we will get a clear picture of Julius' future."
That marketplace is expected to include the Lakers. They'll make him a qualifying offer in order to retain his rights in free agency. Then Randle, whom the Lakers drafted seventh overall in 2014, will become a restricted free agent once the league year ends. The Lakers must wait, just like the rest of the league, to offer him a contract on July 1.
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Pelinka said he does not have an upper-limit figure in mind for Randle.
"I think going into a process with kind of a position of entrenchment or here's the thin red line that we will not cross isn't necessarily the best way to approach something with an open-mindedness," Pelinka said. "I think any negotiation is between two sides. Ultimately you're hoping to find a partnership." |
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-randle-20180520-story.html |
Sounds like Lakers want to keep Jules for a good price, but Mintz obviously knows it very much hinges on our signing FAs goes and wants to squeeze the Lakers for more money. |
Yeah, and there’s some residual issues from Dlo, and the fact that while you respect a team not doing a deal last year, you know that it’s only recently that they’ve actually realized what they have in him. The small slights and nuances matter. |
I wouldn't consider anything he said eyebrow-raising. Typical agent-speak, pretty much. One thing I will say is that it's very unlikely that Julius does anything to give the Lakers a discount. It's going to cost the Lakers market value. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | trablos wrote: | | raffi wrote: | | Quote: | Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka told The Times on Friday that the Lakers' front office is constantly in touch with Julius Randle's representatives, and there has been "a mutual exchange of interest and hoping that we can work something out for both sides."
Randle's camp is unsure of how mutual the interest has been.
"We still have no indication of where Julius stands among the Lakers' priorities, or if he is a priority at all," Randle's agent Aaron Mintz said Saturday in response to Pelinka's comments. "We are looking forward to the marketplace in July, when we will get a clear picture of Julius' future."
That marketplace is expected to include the Lakers. They'll make him a qualifying offer in order to retain his rights in free agency. Then Randle, whom the Lakers drafted seventh overall in 2014, will become a restricted free agent once the league year ends. The Lakers must wait, just like the rest of the league, to offer him a contract on July 1.
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Pelinka said he does not have an upper-limit figure in mind for Randle.
"I think going into a process with kind of a position of entrenchment or here's the thin red line that we will not cross isn't necessarily the best way to approach something with an open-mindedness," Pelinka said. "I think any negotiation is between two sides. Ultimately you're hoping to find a partnership." |
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-randle-20180520-story.html |
Sounds like Lakers want to keep Jules for a good price, but Mintz obviously knows it very much hinges on our signing FAs goes and wants to squeeze the Lakers for more money. |
Yeah, and there’s some residual issues from Dlo, and the fact that while you respect a team not doing a deal last year, you know that it’s only recently that they’ve actually realized what they have in him. The small slights and nuances matter. |
I wouldn't consider anything he said eyebrow-raising. Typical agent-speak, pretty much. One thing I will say is that it's very unlikely that Julius does anything to give the Lakers a discount. It's going to cost the Lakers market value. |
Exactly. Mintz needs to make other teams think they can make Julius an offer and the Lakers will think twice about matching. Pelinka needs to make other teams cautious about tying up their cap-space when the Lakers could match. |
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| Car54 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | This morning I watched the Lakers vs Philly game 1. Ingram and Kuzma should be untouchable unless you’re getting Anthony Davis or someone like that. Ingram and Kuzma kept us in that game and if it wasn’t for Brook disappearing act Ingram probably would have had close to triple dub. What I seen in that game was how both of these guys was comfortable in big moments and wasn’t afraid or in awe of Ben and Joel. Kuzma even tried to dunk on Embiid. Ingram took it to him as well. Ingram also blocked Embiid a shot. I’d trade Ball before I let one of them go. |
Now will you go back and watch the other 81 games before making your decision about who to let go? |
There’s more games to point why we shouldn’t trade them than there are that would suggest we do. You’ve been really aggressive this morning. Struck out last night didn’t you? Go rub one out to ease tension |
Yeah, uh, no.
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| cyborgspider wrote: | | jankobe wrote: |
Its important for a team to have an allstar C, allstar Guard, allstar Forward in their fold. |
Is there an allstar C involved in the Conference Finals right now? Just Horford, right? So is it actually really important? Unless you're counting a PF that can move up to C in small ball lineups, like a Davis or Love... |
Do we have a coach named Brad Stevens? Or just Luke Walton? |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | This morning I watched the Lakers vs Philly game 1. Ingram and Kuzma should be untouchable unless you’re getting Anthony Davis or someone like that. Ingram and Kuzma kept us in that game and if it wasn’t for Brook disappearing act Ingram probably would have had close to triple dub. What I seen in that game was how both of these guys was comfortable in big moments and wasn’t afraid or in awe of Ben and Joel. Kuzma even tried to dunk on Embiid. Ingram took it to him as well. Ingram also blocked Embiid a shot. I’d trade Ball before I let one of them go. |
Now will you go back and watch the other 81 games before making your decision about who to let go? |
There’s more games to point why we shouldn’t trade them than there are that would suggest we do. You’ve been really aggressive this morning. Struck out last night didn’t you? Go rub one out to ease tension |
Yeah, uh, no. |
lol to which part?
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Clippers are gonna be in play for KAT, you just know it, especially considering they have 2 lottery picks to dangle and the fact that if DJ opts out... it gives them more reason to go after a C and Towns would be perfect for them. |
Ingram >>>>> 12+13 picks |
The Wolves are in an interesting spot this summer. Having Butler didn't quite work out as hoped; I'm sure they were thinking about being a top-tier playoff team in the West with him. And while it's true that they may have contended for the 3 or 4 spot had Butler not gotten hurt, the fact remains that they had defensive issues all year, and that the clock is ticking on them. Both Butler and KAT would need to get paid after next season, with Wiggins already on a gigantic deal. Can they really max out all 3 of those players, if they are just a mediocre playoff team that is more likely to lose a 1st Round series?
If I were them, I would strongly consider moving Butler (I think moving KAT would be nuts) and getting back some more young talent/picks in return. Oh, and blowing out Thibs. |
They might have been better off, in hindsight, with Lavine/Dunn/Markkenen. Wow.
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Pass x2.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Clippers are gonna be in play for KAT, you just know it, especially considering they have 2 lottery picks to dangle and the fact that if DJ opts out... it gives them more reason to go after a C and Towns would be perfect for them. |
Ingram >>>>> 12+13 picks |
The Wolves are in an interesting spot this summer. Having Butler didn't quite work out as hoped; I'm sure they were thinking about being a top-tier playoff team in the West with him. And while it's true that they may have contended for the 3 or 4 spot had Butler not gotten hurt, the fact remains that they had defensive issues all year, and that the clock is ticking on them. Both Butler and KAT would need to get paid after next season, with Wiggins already on a gigantic deal. Can they really max out all 3 of those players, if they are just a mediocre playoff team that is more likely to lose a 1st Round series?
If I were them, I would strongly consider moving Butler (I think moving KAT would be nuts) and getting back some more young talent/picks in return. Oh, and blowing out Thibs. |
They might have been better off, in hindsight, with Lavine/Dunn/Markkenen. Wow. |
The owner either didn't realize what was going to happen with the hiring of Thibodeau or getting into the playoffs was so important to him (the owner) that the costs incurred by Thibodeau were considered to be minor at the time.
If owners could just avoid making these Faustian Bargains , the league would be better for it. |
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He turns 28 in August and is rehabbing from a major injury. Seeking a contract for the most money possible is the logical thing for him to do. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Clippers are gonna be in play for KAT, you just know it, especially considering they have 2 lottery picks to dangle and the fact that if DJ opts out... it gives them more reason to go after a C and Towns would be perfect for them. |
Ingram >>>>> 12+13 picks |
The Wolves are in an interesting spot this summer. Having Butler didn't quite work out as hoped; I'm sure they were thinking about being a top-tier playoff team in the West with him. And while it's true that they may have contended for the 3 or 4 spot had Butler not gotten hurt, the fact remains that they had defensive issues all year, and that the clock is ticking on them. Both Butler and KAT would need to get paid after next season, with Wiggins already on a gigantic deal. Can they really max out all 3 of those players, if they are just a mediocre playoff team that is more likely to lose a 1st Round series?
If I were them, I would strongly consider moving Butler (I think moving KAT would be nuts) and getting back some more young talent/picks in return. Oh, and blowing out Thibs. |
They might have been better off, in hindsight, with Lavine/Dunn/Markkenen. Wow. |
The owner either didn't realize what was going to happen with the hiring of Thibodeau or getting into the playoffs was so important to him (the owner) that the costs incurred by Thibodeau were considered to be minor at the time.
If owners could just avoid making these Faustian Bargains , the league would be better for it. |
I do think Butler is a big flight risk as a FA in 2019. He wants to be in a bigger market.
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| Lakers FO will look like idiots offering Cousins a big contract. Is the dude even walking yet without a walking boot? Yikes. |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Lakers FO will look like idiots offering Cousins a big contract. Is the dude even walking yet without a walking boot? Yikes. |
The last word is that rehab is going well he's pushing to be ready for training camp. |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | This morning I watched the Lakers vs Philly game 1. Ingram and Kuzma should be untouchable unless you’re getting Anthony Davis or someone like that. Ingram and Kuzma kept us in that game and if it wasn’t for Brook disappearing act Ingram probably would have had close to triple dub. What I seen in that game was how both of these guys was comfortable in big moments and wasn’t afraid or in awe of Ben and Joel. Kuzma even tried to dunk on Embiid. Ingram took it to him as well. Ingram also blocked Embiid a shot. I’d trade Ball before I let one of them go. |
Now will you go back and watch the other 81 games before making your decision about who to let go? |
There’s more games to point why we shouldn’t trade them than there are that would suggest we do. You’ve been really aggressive this morning. Struck out last night didn’t you? Go rub one out to ease tension |
Yeah, uh, no. |
lol to which part? |
To the inappropriate personal remark. |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Lakers FO will look like idiots offering Cousins a big contract. Is the dude even walking yet without a walking boot? Yikes. |
The last word is that rehab is going well he's pushing to be ready for training camp. |
Of course he's saying that. If he wouldn't be ready for training/beginning of season he'd stand to lose a lot of money. I'm doubtful he will be playing come November.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Lakers FO will look like idiots offering Cousins a big contract. Is the dude even walking yet without a walking boot? Yikes. |
Wish the discussion of even the remote possibility of signing Cousins would end. It makes me nervous that the Lakers would be willing to do it for the "WOW" factor alone. Then watch him miss half the season .
Curious why doesn't the same reasoning apply to Leonard? Is he working out yet? Or still rehabbing? Yet how many can't wait to trade away valuable young assets for another headline grabbing move.
No interest in Cousins. Even before his injury. Would love to sign Leonard next year if he proves himself healthy in body and mind. No interest in getting into trade wars with teams with many more assets especially for a player that may have a long term lingering issue or quit on his team for personal reasons.
Prefer seeing him prove his he is still the player he was then chasing him as a free agent next year. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Clippers are gonna be in play for KAT, you just know it, especially considering they have 2 lottery picks to dangle and the fact that if DJ opts out... it gives them more reason to go after a C and Towns would be perfect for them. |
Ingram >>>>> 12+13 picks |
The Wolves are in an interesting spot this summer. Having Butler didn't quite work out as hoped; I'm sure they were thinking about being a top-tier playoff team in the West with him. And while it's true that they may have contended for the 3 or 4 spot had Butler not gotten hurt, the fact remains that they had defensive issues all year, and that the clock is ticking on them. Both Butler and KAT would need to get paid after next season, with Wiggins already on a gigantic deal. Can they really max out all 3 of those players, if they are just a mediocre playoff team that is more likely to lose a 1st Round series?
If I were them, I would strongly consider moving Butler (I think moving KAT would be nuts) and getting back some more young talent/picks in return. Oh, and blowing out Thibs. |
They might have been better off, in hindsight, with Lavine/Dunn/Markkenen. Wow. |
The owner either didn't realize what was going to happen with the hiring of Thibodeau or getting into the playoffs was so important to him (the owner) that the costs incurred by Thibodeau were considered to be minor at the time.
If owners could just avoid making these Faustian Bargains , the league would be better for it. |
I do think Butler is a big flight risk as a FA in 2019. He wants to be in a bigger market. |
Perhaps it will be similar to Paul George in OKC. If Minnesota could win 60 games next season and make the Conference Finals, then Butler would have some reasons to consider staying with a team that is improving. Towns and Wiggins don't appear to be buying what Thibodeau is selling, so 60 wins and the Conference Finals are unlikely for Minnesota next season.
Thibodeau comes across as somewhat like Phil in they are not very adaptive and think that past success will follow them to a position they have no training and/or aptitude for.
Since the hiring procedure for FO executives is done at the team level rather than centralized & coordinated by the league, mistakes happen such as the decision to hire Thibodeau. |
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IIRC, Butler wasn't happy about being traded to Minny.
I'd say his chances of bolting there in FA is over 50%. If I were them, I'd look to recoup something for him.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | IIRC, Butler wasn't happy about being traded to Minny.
I'd say his chances of bolting there in FA is over 50%. If I were them, I'd look to recoup something for him. |
I agree with that, but it would surprise me if Thibodeau (the coach) was able to accept that would be the likely course of events next summer and that Thibodeau (head of basketball operations) needed to take charge of the situation and do the right thing which is move Butler this offseason.
Their current roster without Butler would probably be worse than Denver and likely fall out of the playoffs which would frustrate Thibodeau (the coach). |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | IIRC, Butler wasn't happy about being traded to Minny.
I'd say his chances of bolting there in FA is over 50%. If I were them, I'd look to recoup something for him. |
I agree with that, but it would surprise me if Thibodeau (the coach) was able to accept that would be the likely course of events next summer and that Thibodeau (head of basketball operations) needed to take charge of the situation and do the right thing which is move Butler this offseason.
Their current roster without Butler would probably be worse than Denver and likely fall out of the playoffs which would frustrate Thibodeau (the coach). |
You are assuming Thibodeau will still be making the calls.
Wolves are finally improving after years of not making the playoffs. They have some exciting young players and some solid vets. But the players are starting to become disgruntled?
Who usually wins in these player vs HC issues. Would it surprise you to see Thibs removed if the players continue to gripe? Ownership would replace him in a minute with a "player friendly" HC if it keeps the peace and keeps butts in the seats. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | IIRC, Butler wasn't happy about being traded to Minny.
I'd say his chances of bolting there in FA is over 50%. If I were them, I'd look to recoup something for him. |
I agree with that, but it would surprise me if Thibodeau (the coach) was able to accept that would be the likely course of events next summer and that Thibodeau (head of basketball operations) needed to take charge of the situation and do the right thing which is move Butler this offseason.
Their current roster without Butler would probably be worse than Denver and likely fall out of the playoffs which would frustrate Thibodeau (the coach). |
The head coach/president of basketball ops dinosaur needs to be extinct. SVG is out. Doc was stripped/relinquished his basketball ops duties.
Thibs needs to as well.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Lakers FO will look like idiots offering Cousins a big contract. Is the dude even walking yet without a walking boot? Yikes. |
Is there any link/article of Lakers interest in cousins?
Or just a self assumption & then panic? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | IIRC, Butler wasn't happy about being traded to Minny.
I'd say his chances of bolting there in FA is over 50%. If I were them, I'd look to recoup something for him. |
I agree with that, but it would surprise me if Thibodeau (the coach) was able to accept that would be the likely course of events next summer and that Thibodeau (head of basketball operations) needed to take charge of the situation and do the right thing which is move Butler this offseason.
Their current roster without Butler would probably be worse than Denver and likely fall out of the playoffs which would frustrate Thibodeau (the coach). |
The head coach/president of basketball ops dinosaur needs to be extinct. SVG is out. Doc was stripped/relinquished his basketball ops duties.
Thibs needs to as well. |
Yupe. No idea why they have him both in the first place. |
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