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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | If Spurs are gonna jerk around with the KL situation then I would much rather go after Lillard and not waste time with a team who doesn’t want to deal with us. |
Exactly! Nobody got time for butt hurt teams and there feelings.
In the words of Snoop Dog: ( Don't get mad, your b!t&h chose me)! |
I would trade some of our young players for Kawhi because he plays amazing D and when healthy, is a top 5 player in the game. I wouldn’t trade a package of our young guys for either Lillard or McCollum. Neither is good defensively and neither has shown me that they can win. Pass on them. |
That is (bleep) if they are paired with PG and Lebron. Look at how badly Curry/Klay were doing in some games while Durant was getting his  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Shams reported that the Lakers reached to the Spurs today, which means it’s possible both sides get a deal done at some point .. before or during the draft. |
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| epak wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | NBA radio just said the Lakers reached out last week but The spurs wasn’t listening to offers until today |
Ah, that's what you're getting at.
The timing.
Perhaps. |
Yes because they wouldn’t talk to the Cavs last week but today they sent out the message that’ll they’re listening to offers because Kawhi told them to their face he wants to be traded.
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Joe Arrigo (@joearrigo) Tweeted:
Some sources have told me some VERY INTERESTING tidbits re: the #Lakers this afternoon, confirming (unintentionally) what a close friend told me yesterday evening.
STAY TUNED! https://twitter.com/joearrigo/status/1009908342804791296?s=17
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Why are you following Joe Arrigo?  |
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After all this nonsense, we better do something other than just use our picks. I'm boycotting LG as a terrible sauces reinforcer if nothing happens
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: |
Why are you following Joe Arrigo? |
He's a contributor for ESPN Las Vegas.
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | | I wouldn’t trade a package of our young guys for either Lillard or McCollum. Neither is good defensively and neither has shown me that they can win. Pass on them. |
I will really never understand this kind of logic. Dudes get 3rd in the west, but they can't win. So only guys who win championships win? Thus you would have been against Shaq in 96 because he couldn't win either?
You are correct, the defensive numbers simply aren't there to support either of those guys being good defenders, but that their team was still 8th ranked defensively indicates that they're not so much of a net drag on defense that their teams are poor defensive teams.
And really, just look at Lillard's clutch shooting numbers again and tell us that he can't win. That's just silliness.
Are either of these guys the best fit? That's a discussion worth having. But claiming they can't win is not a real argument (and lots of guys considered winners by the championships metric have been swept in playoff series, so don't even invoke that...). |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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too bad he's terrible
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| PHILosophize wrote: |
too bad he's terrible |
DLO value, maybe he's paired with Whiteside to go flounder in some lotto team that has the capspace |
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| RG73 wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | | I wouldn’t trade a package of our young guys for either Lillard or McCollum. Neither is good defensively and neither has shown me that they can win. Pass on them. |
I will really never understand this kind of logic. Dudes get 3rd in the west, but they can't win. So only guys who win championships win? Thus you would have been against Shaq in 96 because he couldn't win either?
You are correct, the defensive numbers simply aren't there to support either of those guys being good defenders, but that their team was still 8th ranked defensively indicates that they're not so much of a net drag on defense that their teams are poor defensive teams.
And really, just look at Lillard's clutch shooting numbers again and tell us that he can't win. That's just silliness.
Are either of these guys the best fit? That's a discussion worth having. But claiming they can't win is not a real argument (and lots of guys considered winners by the championships metric have been swept in playoff series, so don't even invoke that...). |
I'd rather go after Kemba than trade for Lillard. Similar production with half the ego and almost a third of the price.
Dame is good... don't get me wrong... but they needed a buzzer beater to beat us... and I felt like we were right there with them talent wise even without the two elite free agents. |
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Dammit, if only Boston made that trade in 2016 |
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RG73
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| Sentient Meat wrote: |
I'd rather go after Kemba than trade for Lillard. Similar production with half the ego and almost a third of the price.
Dame is good... don't get me wrong... but they needed a buzzer beater to beat us... and I felt like we were right there with them talent wise even without the two elite free agents. |
A) I don't care about one game. So what if they needed a buzzer beater? They won. But it's also one game.
B) Whether or not our team was right there with the #3 team(that's clearly absurd, but whatever) is besides the point. We're not trading teams, we're talking about single players.
C) If people are complaining about defense, Kemba is even worse than Lillard.
D) I don't really care, I was more arguing about the notion that a guy who's lead teams to the 2nd round and gotten a #3 seed can't win. Clearly he can. But no, he also clearly could not beat the Warriors by himself. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Shams reported that the Lakers reached to the Spurs today, which means it’s possible both sides get a deal done at some point .. before or during the draft. |
Or after. Or never. All possible.
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King Randle
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| I just want to stick to the original plan...Bron and PG. Super happy with that! |
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Sentient Meat
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| RG73 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: |
I'd rather go after Kemba than trade for Lillard. Similar production with half the ego and almost a third of the price.
Dame is good... don't get me wrong... but they needed a buzzer beater to beat us... and I felt like we were right there with them talent wise even without the two elite free agents. |
A) I don't care about one game. So what if they needed a buzzer beater? They won. But it's also one game.
B) Whether or not our team was right there with the #3 team(that's clearly absurd, but whatever) is besides the point. We're not trading teams, we're talking about single players.
C) If people are complaining about defense, Kemba is even worse than Lillard.
D) I don't really care, I was more arguing about the notion that a guy who's lead teams to the 2nd round and gotten a #3 seed can't win. Clearly he can. But no, he also clearly could not beat the Warriors by himself. |
A. I know it's one game... but we lost by 3, 3, and 5... there was no gulf between our team and their team. This wasn't a case like GSW where they took it easy on us... they were trying and were better... but it felt like there was very little difference.
C. Didn't say Kemba was perfect... said he was better value than Lillard.
If Dame were an FA this year... I'd happily sign him... if PG/LBJ fell through
But if I had to trade... I'd take Kemba because he'd cost way less.
D. Agree. Just think he's pricey... rather go after LBJ/PG/Kawhi for that price. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | I just want to stick to the original plan...Bron and PG. Super happy with that! |
Me too |
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This tweet is next level Coach Dave Miller, he was putting out sources last year that Lakers were making a trade re: Paul George.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I just want to stick to the original plan...Bron and PG. Super happy with that! |
Me too |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| When your fallback plan is Lebron + PG... |
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| epak wrote: | | When your fallback plan is Lebron + PG... |
Feels amazing! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: |
This tweet is next level Coach Dave Miller, he was putting out sources last year that Lakers were making a trade re: Paul George. |
What happened to Coach Miller? I haven't seen or heard from/about him for a long time. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | In a related story, the sun came up this morning. |
which was in reference to the revelation that the Laker FO did their due diligence to call about KL before being shut down...
To which I now reply to Omar with
Thank You...I needed that. The KL pipe dream talk around here has been over the top.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | RG73 wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | | I wouldn’t trade a package of our young guys for either Lillard or McCollum. Neither is good defensively and neither has shown me that they can win. Pass on them. |
I will really never understand this kind of logic. Dudes get 3rd in the west, but they can't win. So only guys who win championships win? Thus you would have been against Shaq in 96 because he couldn't win either?
You are correct, the defensive numbers simply aren't there to support either of those guys being good defenders, but that their team was still 8th ranked defensively indicates that they're not so much of a net drag on defense that their teams are poor defensive teams.
And really, just look at Lillard's clutch shooting numbers again and tell us that he can't win. That's just silliness.
Are either of these guys the best fit? That's a discussion worth having. But claiming they can't win is not a real argument (and lots of guys considered winners by the championships metric have been swept in playoff series, so don't even invoke that...). |
I'd rather go after Kemba than trade for Lillard. Similar production with half the ego and almost a third of the price.
Dame is good... don't get me wrong... but they needed a buzzer beater to beat us... and I felt like we were right there with them talent wise even without the two elite free agents. |
I agree. I have posted about it a lot on this board and I find that most people basically hate Kemba because of his defense. Is his defense really that bad? Can it be any worse then the 5-9 IT, who most people on this board seem to love? |
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