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lakersibleed
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| YSong wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: | | davidse wrote: | Melo should be traded for either Bazemore or Brandon Knight and then bought out.
Maybe even Melo and Singler for Bazemore. |
Jordan would possibly take him in Charlotte for Batum... But would OKC want to take on that kinda toxic contract? |
Batum might be the worst contract in the league and doesn't help OKC's payroll/tax issues at all.
There needs to be a balance.
I think Bazemore or Knight are closer and unlike Deng might be able to contribute (definitely Bazemore). |
What if they lost pg13 in this scenario... do you think they would kick the tires on batum and hope that he returns to the path that got him the contract? |
Why add Batum? Keep the flexibility to go after KL and have the leverage if Spurs want to engage in a trade |
I was actually talking about OKC in that scenario...I use to like Batum as a player but there is no way his contract is anywhere close to his value as a player... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I like our chances...this isn't hanging a cheesy banner for some second rate bum.
We are playing with the big boys this summer.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Can CP3 and Lonzo play in the same back court together?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: |
I like our chances...this isn't hanging a cheesy banner for some second rate bum.
We are playing with the big boys this summer. |
Yep. Going deep sea fishing.
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YSong
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Can CP3 and Lonzo play in the same back court together? |
Yes and with Lonzo running more of the second unit letting CP3 rest more eg. Play 30-32 mpg |
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Judah
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| wstrojan wrote: | No one is suggesting we build around Melo, that he doesn't suck, or that he even play. He's terrible - and I'd bench his ass. but 1) he's boys with Lebron and could help with that and 2) we are in a unique spot to take advantage of OKC's massive tax bill. He's an asset in the sense that he expires. We can then have maximum room (w/o stretching Deng) to 1) sign kawhi in a year and 2) trade other young guys for a star and just take back salary (Lillard, etc.) w/o forcing Deng on anyone, thereby mitigating the trade assets.
They can't just dump Melo in a Dwight move. They need someone who can just trade for some or all of his salary - their tax bill is for this coming year, not in 2 years - so a wash of salaries in 2018 does them no good. Almost no one has cap space, and he wouldn't waive for (bleep) teams in (bleep) cities anyways. And he's a cancer as others have noted. We could probably force OKC to give us a 1 too for our trouble. |
Who do you have the Lakers sending to OKC in this trade? And it would make no sense to trade for him, just to give him the Deng treatment for a year (which I wasn't a fan of at all). The fact that he's close friends with LeBron is a big enough reason to not even think about doing that. Well, unless you want to catapult yourself into a toxic relationship with LeBron before the ink on his contract is even wet.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I know people don't want cp3 because of his injury history but he almost made it to the finals. Pace him and watch his minutes he should be fine. His best friend is Lebron. This could be a back up plan if PG stays in okc.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Since Deng hasn't been traded looks like they will have to stretch him and let Randle walk. To we bring in Noel as a rim protector? |
There was nowhere to trade Deng to.
Cap space opens up on july 1st. |
Teams agree to trades all the time but they don't become official until the new league year begins.
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YSong
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | wstrojan wrote: | No one is suggesting we build around Melo, that he doesn't suck, or that he even play. He's terrible - and I'd bench his ass. but 1) he's boys with Lebron and could help with that and 2) we are in a unique spot to take advantage of OKC's massive tax bill. He's an asset in the sense that he expires. We can then have maximum room (w/o stretching Deng) to 1) sign kawhi in a year and 2) trade other young guys for a star and just take back salary (Lillard, etc.) w/o forcing Deng on anyone, thereby mitigating the trade assets.
They can't just dump Melo in a Dwight move. They need someone who can just trade for some or all of his salary - their tax bill is for this coming year, not in 2 years - so a wash of salaries in 2018 does them no good. Almost no one has cap space, and he wouldn't waive for (bleep) teams in (bleep) cities anyways. And he's a cancer as others have noted. We could probably force OKC to give us a 1 too for our trouble. |
Who do you have the Lakers sending to OKC in this trade? And it would make no sense to trade for him, just to give him the Deng treatment for a year (which I wasn't a fan of at all). The fact that he's close friends with LeBron is a big enough reason to not even think about doing that. Well, unless you want to catapult yourself into a toxic relationship with LeBron before the ink on his contract is even wet. |
Lakers have cap room. They can take back more than they send out this helping out OKC with their luxury tax bill. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | I know people don't want cp3 because of his injury history but he almost made it to the finals. Pace him and watch his minutes he should be fine. His best friend is Lebron. This could be a back up plan if PG stays in okc. |
I'll take him if balls stays. Definitely needs to be paced to peak playoff time.
That system in Houston just doesn't work with older gaurds for an entire season.
Cp3, Perfect mentor for Ball |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Since Deng hasn't been traded looks like they will have to stretch him and let Randle walk. To we bring in Noel as a rim protector? |
There was nowhere to trade Deng to.
Cap space opens up on july 1st. |
Teams agree to trades all the time but they don't become official until the new league year begins. |
All the time also means later. |
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YSong
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | I know people don't want cp3 because of his injury history but he almost made it to the finals. Pace him and watch his minutes he should be fine. His best friend is Lebron. This could be a back up plan if PG stays in okc. |
Bingo! Lonzo’s ability to run both 1st and 2nd units will let CP3 play way fewer minutes. Then again CP3 been playing 32 mpg the past 3 seasons and still got hurt. Think he has to play 28-30mpg and take a few back to back games off |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| rst08tierney wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | I know people don't want cp3 because of his injury history but he almost made it to the finals. Pace him and watch his minutes he should be fine. His best friend is Lebron. This could be a back up plan if PG stays in okc. |
I'll take him if balls stays. Definitely needs to be paced to peak playoff time.
That system in Houston just doesn't work with older gaurds for an entire season.
Cp3, Perfect mentor for Ball |
Yes. Ball would stay.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Since Deng hasn't been traded looks like they will have to stretch him and let Randle walk. To we bring in Noel as a rim protector? |
There was nowhere to trade Deng to.
Cap space opens up on july 1st. |
Teams agree to trades all the time but they don't become official until the new league year begins. |
All the time also means later. |
Before the draft or during is a better way to move salary. Teams rarely go into free agency and then open up space.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Since Deng hasn't been traded looks like they will have to stretch him and let Randle walk. To we bring in Noel as a rim protector? |
There was nowhere to trade Deng to.
Cap space opens up on july 1st. |
Teams agree to trades all the time but they don't become official until the new league year begins. |
All the time also means later. |
Before the draft or during is a better way to move salary. Teams rarely go into free agency and then open up space. |
Not true. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Miami is another location for Melo. They have a bunch of bloated but serviceable player contracts. Melo could straight up stay there and play with Wade. They may be conceding a playoff spot by doing this but they've (until recently) thought about long-term. 2019 is gonna be a crazier year for FA. A lot of these terrible 2016 contracts will become movable and also with a pretty nice cap jump. I believe a lot of teams will have two maxes in 2019. Youth + 2 maxes may be the new way to rebuild especially if you have a nice market. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Since Deng hasn't been traded looks like they will have to stretch him and let Randle walk. To we bring in Noel as a rim protector? |
There was nowhere to trade Deng to.
Cap space opens up on july 1st. |
Teams agree to trades all the time but they don't become official until the new league year begins. |
All the time also means later. |
Before the draft or during is a better way to move salary. Teams rarely go into free agency and then open up space. |
Not true. |
Ok. I'm sure they are waiting for free agency to start and going to tell Lebron that they are trying to trade Deng to free up another max spot.
Even last year, the Moz trade was done before the draft. The Jimmy Butler trade on draft night. It could happen still but the chances were better before the draft
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand why some of you are trying to figure out ways to trade Melo. Do you think it will increase OKC's odds of signing PG?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Having Melo is a very bad idea!!! |
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YSong
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | I don't understand why some of you are trying to figure out ways to trade Melo. Do you think it will increase OKC's odds of signing PG? |
Of course not. This is ONLY IF PG decides to stay with OKC then u make a trade for Melo geez |
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| i m starting to have that irrational feeling that our true target is chris paul |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Melo is another Dwight Howard. Subtraction by addition. Wouldn't take him for free. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Melo is another Dwight Howard. Subtraction by addition. Wouldn't take him for free. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Melo is another Dwight Howard. Subtraction by addition. Wouldn't take him for free. |
What if you had advance knowledge that he'd go to the Warriors if we didn't sign him? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Melo is another Dwight Howard. Subtraction by addition. Wouldn't take him for free. |
What if you had advance knowledge that he'd go to the Warriors if we didn't sign him? |
Does he need a ride to the airport? |
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