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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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^ Agreed, defense. Go out and sign UFA Joe Harris for $5-7M and run out a SG rotation of Hart/Harris that is nearly as effective on offense and far more effective on defense for 1/3rd the price. And Hart/Harris might end up even more effective on offense, too, since they don't jack up 20-foot pull-up jumpers on the regular. _________________ Under New Management |
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Bored
Kemba
Cousins
LeBron
George
Leonard
Lillard
Howard
Carmelo
CP3
Assuming all these guys are available in one way or another, put together your preferred team. |
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PRLakeShow Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | Bored
Kemba
Cousins
LeBron
George
Leonard
Lillard
Howard
Carmelo
CP3
Assuming all these guys are available in one way or another, put together your preferred team. |
Can I take all of them?
What are the rules here? Pick 2, pick 5, are we adding them to the young core? |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:29 am Post subject: |
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PRLakeShow wrote: | defense wrote: | Bored
Kemba
Cousins
LeBron
George
Leonard
Lillard
Howard
Carmelo
CP3
Assuming all these guys are available in one way or another, put together your preferred team. |
Can I take all of them?
What are the rules here? Pick 2, pick 5, are we adding them to the young core? |
Randle
LeBron/Kuzma
Ingram
Kawhi/Hart
Lillard
would be ideal but I'm not sure what he's getting at either |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I'd take any of them depending on the price except Carmelo.
LBJ
Kawhi
CP3
Lillard
Kemba
PG
Cousins
Howard
Melo
Ranked in order of impact with no consideration of cost/assets/age
LBJ
PG
CP3
Kawhi
Kemba
Lillard
Howard
Cousins
Melo
Ranked in order of impact with considerations of cost. |
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32 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Lakesh0wtime Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:38 am Post subject: |
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If George doesn’t come I think we end up with Deandre or Boogie.
Momo was hinting at Deandre last week on ESPN LA.
Lonzo
BI
Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre
Then Hart can come in if we wanna play small.
Maybe we keep KCP and then go with
Lonzo
KCP
Ingram or Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre |
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Villain6Activated Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: |
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so lets say we sign Lebron, PG and resign Randle. We make no trades, but we get Brook Lopez back for 5m 1 year, what do you guys seeing the rotation and minutes being like?
Lonzo Ball (33 MPG)
Paul George (35 MPG)
Brandon Ingram (33 MPG)
Lebron James (33 MPG)
Brook Lopez (20 MPG)
Julius Randle (30 MPG)
Kyle Kuzma (30 MPG)
Josh Hart (25 MPG)
Shooter (10 MPG)
Bryant, Mo (Spot minutes every now and then)
I didn't account for all the minutes or do the calculations behind it but this is how I see our rotation going. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | If George doesn’t come I think we end up with Deandre or Boogie.
Momo was hinting at Deandre last week on ESPN LA.
Lonzo
BI
Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre
Then Hart can come in if we wanna play small.
Maybe we keep KCP and then go with
Lonzo
KCP
Ingram or Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre |
DJ is in play when FA starts next week, a lot of people don’t want him but he might not want to pack his bags to move to another city, he might be okay playing for the team down the hall, as long as we don’t give him some crazy contract he will be a good addition to the team and also don’t forget LeBron wanted him at the TD. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | If George doesn’t come I think we end up with Deandre or Boogie.
Momo was hinting at Deandre last week on ESPN LA.
Lonzo
BI
Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre
Then Hart can come in if we wanna play small.
Maybe we keep KCP and then go with
Lonzo
KCP
Ingram or Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre |
Magic, Pelinka and Luke have all repeatedly said how important it is to have bigs who can shoot. Deandre is not in that mold. I doubt there's any interest there.
With Dallas coming out and saying they "forgive" Deandre, I think he'll be their backup plan if they don't get Cousins. That should make the Randle fans happy. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: |
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1ngr4m wrote: | so lets say we sign Lebron, PG and resign Randle. We make no trades, but we get Brook Lopez back for 5m 1 year, what do you guys seeing the rotation and minutes being like?
Lonzo Ball (33 MPG)
Paul George (35 MPG)
Brandon Ingram (33 MPG)
Lebron James (33 MPG)
Brook Lopez (20 MPG)
Julius Randle (30 MPG)
Kyle Kuzma (30 MPG)
Josh Hart (25 MPG)
Shooter (10 MPG)
Bryant, Mo (Spot minutes every now and then)
I didn't account for all the minutes or do the calculations behind it but this is how I see our rotation going. |
Ingram should be going to the bench. Lebron has never liked playing the 4, so Randle would most likely be the starter. We would have Ingram, Kuz and Hart coming off the bench with BI basically running the point. Beautiful. |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
I don't think Chicago would do Asik for Deng as it would be them taking on an additional $22m.
This way Atlanta takes on an additional $9m, Chicago takes on an additional $11m, but also gets a player serviceable players and the Lakers get Asik's very valuable contract (stretched amount of $2.9 m stretched)
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | If George doesn’t come I think we end up with Deandre or Boogie.
Momo was hinting at Deandre last week on ESPN LA.
Lonzo
BI
Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre
Then Hart can come in if we wanna play small.
Maybe we keep KCP and then go with
Lonzo
KCP
Ingram or Kuzma
Lebron
Deandre |
I heard that Deandre’s camp reached out to the Lakers expressing interest in coming here. Don’t know what the Lakers thoughts on that were. |
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
Lakers: Asik |
Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
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Villain6Activated Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | so lets say we sign Lebron, PG and resign Randle. We make no trades, but we get Brook Lopez back for 5m 1 year, what do you guys seeing the rotation and minutes being like?
Lonzo Ball (33 MPG)
Paul George (35 MPG)
Brandon Ingram (33 MPG)
Lebron James (33 MPG)
Brook Lopez (20 MPG)
Julius Randle (30 MPG)
Kyle Kuzma (30 MPG)
Josh Hart (25 MPG)
Shooter (10 MPG)
Bryant, Mo (Spot minutes every now and then)
I didn't account for all the minutes or do the calculations behind it but this is how I see our rotation going. |
Ingram should be going to the bench. Lebron has never liked playing the 4, so Randle would most likely be the starter. We would have Ingram, Kuz and Hart coming off the bench with BI basically running the point. Beautiful. |
Nope, the only non three point shooters to ever start next to Lebron during his entire finals run were because they needed a center to rebound and protect the rim. If we have Brook Lopez to protect the rim it makes next to no sense to bring in a non shooter, ball dominant player next to Lebron.
In addition to that, the front office are two in on the Lonzo and Ingram projects to ever bring them off the bench. These two lead us in minutes, Ingram was the only player to never be benched in the 4th quarter of any game this entire season. Every single time he came back from injury, he got his starting spot back without a question.
Unless Ingram (bleep) the bed as a starter, there is no reason to start a non shooter like Randle next to Lebron when we already have the defense and have a lineup where he can start next to 4 shooters.
edit: Also wanna add that Randle in a small ball center 6th man role makes much more sense then Ingram being another wing coming off the bench next to Kuzma. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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Lakesh0wtime Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:08 am Post subject: |
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We also saw that Lebron doesn’t have the energy to run around chasing perimeter guys anymore.
I think he can seamlessly make the transition to playing the 4. |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:11 am Post subject: |
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LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
I don't think Chicago would do Asik for Deng as it would be them taking on an additional $22m.
This way Atlanta takes on an additional $9m, Chicago takes on an additional $11m, but also gets a player serviceable players and the Lakers get Asik's very valuable contract (stretched amount of $2.9 m stretched)
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Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
We would be $1m short. Lots of ways to make it happen.
PG13 or LBJ take a slight discount. Randle signs for a deal starting at $11.6m. Lakers sign Wagner to the 100% of the Rookie scale instead of 120%.
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Villain6Activated Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | We also saw that Lebron doesn’t have the energy to run around chasing perimeter guys anymore.
I think he can seamlessly make the transition to playing the 4. |
Agreed. I honestly think Lebron will want to play the 4 in his final years, he's smart and all about extending his career. Guarding stretch 4s with Ingram, Lonzo and Paul George doing all the hard work running around screens is exactly what he needs.
On the offensive end he gets 4 shooters and 3 of which can playmake for others. He can literally decide every game how much he wants to carry the team. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: |
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LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
Lakers: Asik |
Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
Although, we would be able to pay James and Paul 32 million each while retaining Randle's cap hold... Would they take take a little over 3 million less to come to the Lakers and play together??? |
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Lebron gave up on guarding anyone a couple of seasons ago. The farther he is from the basket on defense, the better. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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I’m very close to ATL’s owners I might bef them to take deng |
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
I don't think Chicago would do Asik for Deng as it would be them taking on an additional $22m.
This way Atlanta takes on an additional $9m, Chicago takes on an additional $11m, but also gets a player serviceable players and the Lakers get Asik's very valuable contract (stretched amount of $2.9 m stretched)
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Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
We would be $1m short. Lots of ways to make it happen.
PG13 or LBJ take a slight discount. Randle signs for a deal starting at $11.6m. Lakers sign Wagner to the 100% of the Rookie scale instead of 120%. |
How do you get 1 million short?
Randle 12.4
Ball 7.5
Ingram 5.8
(Asik 2.9)
Kuzma 1.7
Hart 1.7
Wagner 1.7
Cap Holds x4 = 3.3
Total: 37 million
Cap Space: 64 million (32 million each)
LeBron and CP can both max out at 35.35 million, with George you are right, they would be 1-2 million short....
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:18 am Post subject: |
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LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
I don't think Chicago would do Asik for Deng as it would be them taking on an additional $22m.
This way Atlanta takes on an additional $9m, Chicago takes on an additional $11m, but also gets a player serviceable players and the Lakers get Asik's very valuable contract (stretched amount of $2.9 m stretched)
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Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
We would be $1m short. Lots of ways to make it happen.
PG13 or LBJ take a slight discount. Randle signs for a deal starting at $11.6m. Lakers sign Wagner to the 100% of the Rookie scale instead of 120%. |
How do you get 1 million short?
Randle 12.4
Ball 7.5
Ingram 5.8
(Asik 2.9)
Kuzma 1.7
Hart 1.7
Wagner 1.7
Cap Holds x4 = 3.3
Total: 37 million
Cap Space: 64 million (32 million each) |
We need 65m for PG13 and Lebron. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: |
Magic, Pelinka and Luke have all repeatedly said how important it is to have bigs who can shoot. Deandre is not in that mold. I doubt there's any interest there. |
You don't need every big to shoot. The Warriors played Looney and McGee at the 5 for about 30 combined minutes per in the playoffs. The Rockets went with Capela for 30ish minutes as well. It's nice to have the option of that stretch 5, certainly. But 4 shooters plus a big who can finish at the rim works just fine too, and DJ certainly fits that mold. |
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | LakerBaker wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | 32 wrote: | Quote: | With Mike Muscala exercising his $5M player option, Atlanta projects to enter the offseason with $20M in room and 15 players (12 guaranteed) under contract. The Hawks could be a landing spot for teams looking to move contracts (with a draft pick) to clear cap space. |
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1010936877405200386 |
Chicago out: Asik
Chicago in: Plumlee + future 1st
Atlanta out: Plumlee
Atlanta in: Deng + future 1st
Lakers out: Deng + 2 future 1st
Lakers in: Asik
I don't think Chicago would do Asik for Deng as it would be them taking on an additional $22m.
This way Atlanta takes on an additional $9m, Chicago takes on an additional $11m, but also gets a player serviceable players and the Lakers get Asik's very valuable contract (stretched amount of $2.9 m stretched)
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Still not enough to resign Deng, even with Asik stretched |
We would be $1m short. Lots of ways to make it happen.
PG13 or LBJ take a slight discount. Randle signs for a deal starting at $11.6m. Lakers sign Wagner to the 100% of the Rookie scale instead of 120%. |
How do you get 1 million short?
Randle 12.4
Ball 7.5
Ingram 5.8
(Asik 2.9)
Kuzma 1.7
Hart 1.7
Wagner 1.7
Cap Holds x4 = 3.3
Total: 37 million
Cap Space: 64 million (32 million each) |
We need 65m for PG13 and Lebron. |
Edited my post, you are correct if we are going for LBJ and PG13 |
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