| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
 Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bard207 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | coming back from a meeting listening to NBA Radio, and they were talking about possible "fantasy" trades thought would make sense, and one was PG-13 for Kevin Love. At first I thought no way OKC does that deal, but they kind of sold me on it. If OKC feels they will lose PG-13, they will have no cap space, Love and Westbrook are still friends from UCLA, and who better to go stand in the corner and wait for Russ to pass it to him? Also, in Cleveland if Lebron bolts, it is likely so would PG-13...if Lebron stays, it is likely PG-13 would consider it also....which both scenarios is what Cleveland prefers. |
Can Adams, Melo and Love be on the court together? |
I think they really only concern themselves with Westbrook, Love and Adams in the big picture...and I think that works. Melo either fits, comes off the bench, or they likely "try" to move him.
If I was the Clippers, I would try to move Blake and Gallinari for PG-13 and Melo.
Last edited by adkindo on Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
LakerMindLA
Star Player
Joined: 26 Dec 2008
Posts: 5344
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
| governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
I assume it would take at least Clarkson and Randle |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 144461
Location: The Gold Coast
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
| fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | Our weakest position is the Center. Sure Lopez is a HUGE upgrade over MozGoof, but Cousins is a HUGE upgrade over Lopez.
I think the top line-up would win WAY more games than the lower one, we need some tough defense in the middle and that ain't Lopez:
PG - Ball
SG - Clarkson
SF - Ingram
PF - Kuzma
C - Cousins
OR
PG - Ball
SG - Ingram
SF - George
PF - Nance
C - Lopez
Which line-up would you prefer? |
Well Cousins can't defend either so what does that tell you. |
Neither can Towns  |
The point is that we need a PF who can defend the paint and rim because Cousins won't do it. |
How about a PF that can defend all 5 positions and defend all areas on the court very well? Would that be valuable to have next to Cousins?
It would be easier to recruit Cousins as well if he was very close with that PF too. |
Yeah, but I think SG is the bigger target though. So C and SG are our two biggest needs. |
So naturally posters here are crying for a SF/PF.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46639
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| adkindo wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
I assume it would take at least Clarkson and Randle |
So OKC would ask for more value then... when they made the trade with the Pacers? OKC would be lucky to get a value like Clarkson in a Thunder Trade... if they also ask for Randle they are just wasting there time... everyone knows where he wants to go.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 144461
Location: The Gold Coast
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
32
Retired Number
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 73062
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
There is one thing we know for sure regarding Paul George. His agent publicly said he wants to play for the Lakers. Knowing this fact I still believe we are the favorites to sign him in free agency.
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 32 wrote: | | There is one thing we know for sure regarding Paul George. His agent publicly said he wants to play for the Lakers. Knowing this fact I still believe we are the favorites to sign him in free agency. |
as long as he is not moved to a place like Houston or Cleveland beforehand, I think i would agree....but all bets are off if gets onto a team that is in the Finals. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bard207
Star Player
Joined: 08 Jan 2013
Posts: 7713
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| adkindo wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | coming back from a meeting listening to NBA Radio, and they were talking about possible "fantasy" trades thought would make sense, and one was PG-13 for Kevin Love. At first I thought no way OKC does that deal, but they kind of sold me on it. If OKC feels they will lose PG-13, they will have no cap space, Love and Westbrook are still friends from UCLA, and who better to go stand in the corner and wait for Russ to pass it to him? Also, in Cleveland if Lebron bolts, it is likely so would PG-13...if Lebron stays, it is likely PG-13 would consider it also....which both scenarios is what Cleveland prefers. |
Can Adams, Melo and Love be on the court together? |
I think they really only concern themselves with Westbrook, Love and Adams in the big picture...and I think that works. Melo either fits, comes off the bench, or they likely "try" to move him.
If I was the Clippers, I would try to move Blake and Gallinari for PG-13 and Melo. |
I can see why the Clippers would do it, but OKC might not do it because they would have a heavy payroll for multiple years going forward. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bard207 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | coming back from a meeting listening to NBA Radio, and they were talking about possible "fantasy" trades thought would make sense, and one was PG-13 for Kevin Love. At first I thought no way OKC does that deal, but they kind of sold me on it. If OKC feels they will lose PG-13, they will have no cap space, Love and Westbrook are still friends from UCLA, and who better to go stand in the corner and wait for Russ to pass it to him? Also, in Cleveland if Lebron bolts, it is likely so would PG-13...if Lebron stays, it is likely PG-13 would consider it also....which both scenarios is what Cleveland prefers. |
Can Adams, Melo and Love be on the court together? |
I think they really only concern themselves with Westbrook, Love and Adams in the big picture...and I think that works. Melo either fits, comes off the bench, or they likely "try" to move him.
If I was the Clippers, I would try to move Blake and Gallinari for PG-13 and Melo. |
I can see why the Clippers would do it, but OKC might not do it because they would have a heavy payroll for multiple years going forward. |
yeah, that is a good point |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakerMindLA
Star Player
Joined: 26 Dec 2008
Posts: 5344
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
Disagree. OKC isn't planning to rebuilt. The reality is that they will be a luxury tax team if they want to keep Westbrook happy. Clarkson at $12m is a well priced contract that doesn't make their luxury tax bill explode and gives them a secondary scorer, which is what they really need.
They have no incentive to trade PG13 for an expiring contract. What would they gained trading for KCP when they could just save that money if PG13 walks? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lakesh0wtime
Star Player
Joined: 28 Mar 2016
Posts: 5351
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
besides being a complete idiot of a coach and ruining dangelos rookie year.
I will never ever forgive dumbazz Byron Scott for us not drafting porzingis. SMH. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AFireInside619
Franchise Player
Joined: 11 Dec 2015
Posts: 11447
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | besides being a complete idiot of a coach and ruining dangelos rookie year.
I will never ever forgive dumbazz Byron Scott for us not drafting porzingis. SMH. |
Yeah, we saw the kid first hand and still let him slip through our hands. Even Chad Ford, who is a goof, said that he would draft Porzingis #2 on Max & Marcellus. Byron thought he was too soft. Porzingis doesn't look soft the few times we've played against him.
I'm gonna go on 2k18 now and see what a Randle/Porzingis Lakers team would look like. 😂 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lakesh0wtime
Star Player
Joined: 28 Mar 2016
Posts: 5351
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
| AFireInside619 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | besides being a complete idiot of a coach and ruining dangelos rookie year.
I will never ever forgive dumbazz Byron Scott for us not drafting porzingis. SMH. |
Yeah, we saw the kid first hand and still let him slip through our hands. Even Chad Ford, who is a goof, said that he would draft Porzingis #2 on Max & Marcellus. Byron thought he was too soft. Porzingis doesn't look soft the few times we've played against him.
I'm gonna go on 2k18 now and see what a Randle/Porzingis Lakers team would look like. 😂 |
the workout they put him through was basically mark madsen pushing him around to test his manhood lol.
Byron was quoted saying " i better get an extension if i have to wait for this kid to grow up"
SMH. I HATE BYRON |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
32
Retired Number
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 73062
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
Interesting OKC plays the Lakers at Staples Center on February 8th which is the last day of the trade deadline.
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
Last edited by 32 on Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:06 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
32
Retired Number
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 73062
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
Wilt started in Philadelphia. Kareem started in Milwaukee. Shaq started in Orlando. LeBron started in Cleveland...
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46639
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
DLaker
Star Player
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 1539
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
JC has been great, does trading him now along with Deng and pick help us going forward.
I suggest trading JC/Deng/Pick to Sacramento for GHill/(Vince or Randolph)
Sacramento is tanking Deng and GHill have the same contract size. Sac get a young player we get an establish backup and an easier to move contract. Plus we still don't lose too much Bench wise and will be more flexible in the summer.
Ghill, Hart, Vince Kuz, Randle
Ghill, Hart, Kuz, Randolph, Randle
is still a very good bench. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46639
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
It’s getting lit!!!
Time to buckle up cause I think OKC will have no choice but to trade George to LA since teams know he won’t resign with any team... unless that team goes on to win a title. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46639
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| DLaker wrote: | JC has been great, does trading him now along with Deng and pick help us going forward.
I suggest trading JC/Deng/Pick to Sacramento for GHill/(Vince or Randolph)
Sacramento is tanking Deng and GHill have the same contract size. Sac get a young player we get an establish backup and an easier to move contract. Plus we still don't lose too much Bench wise and will be more flexible in the summer.
Ghill, Hart, Vince Kuz, Randle
Ghill, Hart, Kuz, Randolph, Randle
is still a very good bench. |
I can’t see Sacramento trading with the Lakers... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 144461
Location: The Gold Coast
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
Disagree. OKC isn't planning to rebuilt. The reality is that they will be a luxury tax team if they want to keep Westbrook happy. Clarkson at $12m is a well priced contract that doesn't make their luxury tax bill explode and gives them a secondary scorer, which is what they really need.
They have no incentive to trade PG13 for an expiring contract. What would they gained trading for KCP when they could just save that money if PG13 walks? |
That is why I don’t think they will trade PG, him walking is preferable to taking luxury tax salary for him. Westbrook is signed, they no longer have to make him happy. They will offer a contract to PG and if he walks, it is on him, not the organization.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | besides being a complete idiot of a coach and ruining dangelos rookie year.
I will never ever forgive dumbazz Byron Scott for us not drafting porzingis. SMH. |
Yeah, we saw the kid first hand and still let him slip through our hands. Even Chad Ford, who is a goof, said that he would draft Porzingis #2 on Max & Marcellus. Byron thought he was too soft. Porzingis doesn't look soft the few times we've played against him.
I'm gonna go on 2k18 now and see what a Randle/Porzingis Lakers team would look like. 😂 |
the workout they put him through was basically mark madsen pushing him around to test his manhood lol.
Byron was quoted saying " i better get an extension if i have to wait for this kid to grow up"
SMH. I HATE BYRON |
Byron set this team back years.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
