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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
So they're just going to tank with WB/Melo/Adams there next year? (and no other way to get quality FAs).
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3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
Thoughts?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
So they're just going to tank with WB/Melo/Adams there next year? (and no other way to get quality FAs). |
I have no idea what you mean by tank, but they will compete in the playoffs with or without George.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
Right. They're already on a collision course regardless. Adding JC instead of nothing else isn't the craziest idea.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | 3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
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KCP and two lightly protected firsts might get it done
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum. |
Beyond that, we shouldn't assume we are the only suiters. There has been a lot of speculation that the Cavs might trade for him and, assuming Lebron stayed around, George would be agreeable to not exercising his option and give them a year to test it out. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | 3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
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If Deng is going out, figure two picks minimum. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
Right. They're already on a collision course regardless. Adding JC instead of nothing else isn't the craziest idea. |
It is additional repeater luxury tax they would have to pay, nothing else means no additional tax.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum. |
It would likely need to be JC/Brewer/2nd to make the salaries work.
My guess is that OKC would want to lower their tax bill this year, so Lakers might need to take back Huestis. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
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KCP and two lightly protected firsts might get it done |
And how do you figure Thunder have more leverage then the Pacers when they traded PG? If anything the fact that Sam Amick already reported today that Paul George is still expected to head to Lakers FA will scare teams off and give us a chance to get him for low value. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum. |
Beyond that, we shouldn't assume we are the only suiters. There has been a lot of speculation that the Cavs might trade for him and, assuming Lebron stayed around, George would be agreeable to not exercising his option and give them a year to test it out. |
If LBJ had already given his commitment to the Cavs, that Nets pick would have been used already. No one knows what he wants, and he may not either.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | 3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
Thoughts? |
My thought: You need only glance at this proposal for three seconds to know it definitely does not come from a Bulls fan  |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
Right. They're already on a collision course regardless. Adding JC instead of nothing else isn't the craziest idea. |
It is additional repeater luxury tax they would have to pay, nothing else means no additional tax. |
Ok, gotcha. They're at 116m if Melo opts in (and no PG13). That's only with 9 players, so they're already skirting the 120m estimated 2018 luxury tax threshold. They're fracked either way.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum. |
Beyond that, we shouldn't assume we are the only suiters. There has been a lot of speculation that the Cavs might trade for him and, assuming Lebron stayed around, George would be agreeable to not exercising his option and give them a year to test it out. |
If LBJ had already given his commitment to the Cavs, that Nets pick would have been used already. No one knows what he wants, and he may not either. |
You misunderstood me. I could see the Cavs trading for George, and then George could stick around next year by not exercising his option, especially if Lebron didn't leave.
I don't assume that a commitment from Lebron is necessary for the Cavs to make a trade for George. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
Right. They're already on a collision course regardless. Adding JC instead of nothing else isn't the craziest idea. |
It is additional repeater luxury tax they would have to pay, nothing else means no additional tax. |
Right, because they can't possibly trade some other players...
Very few players in this league give you better return for their pay than Clarkson (other than rookie deals).
People refuse to realize just how good he's become. |
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KCP and Nance for PG13 would probably help both teams. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
but you do not think Clarkson alone gets a deal done, right? |
Nope. Would have to be something like JC/Nance/2nd rounders at the minimum. |
Beyond that, we shouldn't assume we are the only suiters. There has been a lot of speculation that the Cavs might trade for him and, assuming Lebron stayed around, George would be agreeable to not exercising his option and give them a year to test it out. |
If LBJ had already given his commitment to the Cavs, that Nets pick would have been used already. No one knows what he wants, and he may not either. |
You misunderstood me. I could see the Cavs trading for George, and then George could stick around next year by not exercising his option, especially if Lebron didn't leave.
I don't assume that a commitment from Lebron is necessary for the Cavs to make a trade for George. |
Right, but I don't think they make that move in blind faith b/c they're going to have to give up the Nets 1st, probably some other valuable pieces.
I also don't see LBJ committing to the Cavs right now to trigger this either.
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I think the Knicks are a threat for George.
Could think they have a decent shot of convincing him to stay, and they have cap room to gain if he leaves.
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| That said, I think theyr'e also a potential destination for Randle. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 3 team trade idea:
PG to Lakers
Mirotic / Clarkson / future pick to OKC
Deng / Zu / Abrines to Chicago
Thoughts? |
KCP and two lightly protected firsts might get it done |
And how do you figure Thunder have more leverage then the Pacers when they traded PG? If anything the fact that Sam Amick already reported today that Paul George is still expected to head to Lakers FA will scare teams off and give us a chance to get him for low value. |
The Thunder has no reason to trade him, a team would have to convince them
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| davidse wrote: | | That said, I think theyr'e also a potential destination for Randle. |
How do you see Randle being traded to NY and for what package? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | governator wrote: | | OKC not going anywhere, why not try trading KCP + sweetener (?Zubac?) for PG13 now? |
Would much rather trade Clarkson for PG13.
If you have PG13, you’ll be in the mix for a 2nd star and will have to trade Clarkson eventually. Might as well shed his long term salary in that deal.
Also, KCP paired with PG13 is a much better defensive lineup. |
Doubtful that OKC would agree, it is likely that they won’t want to pay luxury tax on JC. At least KCP would be expiring. Really unlikely that they deal PG at all. |
JC makes 41% of what PG13 would make if OKC extended him. The luxury tax would naturally go down.
WB is on a long term deal, so is Adams/Roberson/Patterson. They're not tanking and they also won't have a lot of cap space even if PG13 walks. They'll want to field some semblance of a competitive team. |
And paying repeater luxury tax for JC is a good idea? You pretty much listed why trading PG for salary coming back is a bad idea for them, homerism aside. |
They'd basically have to gut the team completely to get out of the tax.
Adams/Westbrook/Melo is already $88m. |
Right. They're already on a collision course regardless. Adding JC instead of nothing else isn't the craziest idea. |
It is additional repeater luxury tax they would have to pay, nothing else means no additional tax. |
Ok, gotcha. They're at 116m if Melo opts in (and no PG13). That's only with 9 players, so they're already skirting the 120m estimated 2018 luxury tax threshold. They're fracked either way. |
They are for one more season assuming Melo opts in. They could try to negotiate a longer term less dollar per deal with him or pay the repeater tax for one season and let him walk.
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