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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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kobe8One wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Mintz is the biggest loser of 2018 free agency:
1) Randle got way less than his peers
2) PG13 didn’t get the best deal (lakers or not)
3) Nets not even talking extension with DLO
I certainly wouldn’t sign up with that guy. Can’t have personal grudges impact business for clients. |
Why is Mintz's fault?
1. If Randlel learned how to shoot and able to finish with either hands after 4 years in the NBA, pretty sure he will get a better deal.
2. Lakers want it PG13 before Lebron, after Lebron the Lakers says no thank you.
3. DLO just hope he doesn't get less than Randle. Dlo and Booker are not even in the same level. |
1. There have been worse/less proven players who got more than Randle.
2. Forget the Lakers for a second, PG13 didn’t get the best deal.
3. See what happens with DLO
Bottom line is Mintz has been bad at his job this FA cycle, when compared to his peers. |
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Wildchild027 Star Player
Joined: 17 Jul 2002 Posts: 3846 Location: A-T-L-A-N-T-A
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Eindhoven wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Jules only got 9m a year while Jabari who has 4432 ACL tears got 20m a year. Time to fire Mintz. |
My guess is he took what was available to go to a contender. He could have got more going to a bottom feeder, but he didn't even try. |
pelicans are not in anyway shape or form contender or pretender. |
They were only top 4 in the West. |
They were a 6th seed. |
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eagles nut Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Probably means nothing but Alex Len was reportedly in Vegas and was spotted in the crowd watching the Lakers vs. Bulls game. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Probably means nothing but Alex Len was reportedly in Vegas and was spotted in the crowd watching the Lakers vs. Bulls game. |
Len to the Lakers confirmed |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Probably means nothing but Alex Len was reportedly in Vegas and was spotted in the crowd watching the Lakers vs. Bulls game. |
Has to mean something especially since we need a big man |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | eagles nut wrote: | Probably means nothing but Alex Len was reportedly in Vegas and was spotted in the crowd watching the Lakers vs. Bulls game. |
Len to the Lakers confirmed |
It must be tough not having a team. LOL |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Which big man would you guys prefer from this list?
ZBo
Henson
Dedmon
Larry Sanders
RLopez
Vucevic
Tyson Chandle |
Think we should focus on -
Alex Len
Lucas Nogueira
Brandan Wright
Tarik Black
etcetera |
Lucas nogueira or Len should be ok |
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Vanquish Star Player
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1561 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | kobe8One wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Mintz is the biggest loser of 2018 free agency:
1) Randle got way less than his peers
2) PG13 didn’t get the best deal (lakers or not)
3) Nets not even talking extension with DLO
I certainly wouldn’t sign up with that guy. Can’t have personal grudges impact business for clients. |
Why is Mintz's fault?
1. If Randlel learned how to shoot and able to finish with either hands after 4 years in the NBA, pretty sure he will get a better deal.
2. Lakers want it PG13 before Lebron, after Lebron the Lakers says no thank you.
3. DLO just hope he doesn't get less than Randle. Dlo and Booker are not even in the same level. |
1. There have been worse/less proven players who got more than Randle.
2. Forget the Lakers for a second, PG13 didn’t get the best deal.
3. See what happens with DLO
Bottom line is Mintz has been bad at his job this FA cycle, when compared to his peers. |
For an illustration of point 1, see Deng, Luo |
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Wildchild027 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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fansincemagic wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | Daphanabe wrote: | Bard207 wrote: | Daphanabe wrote: | I wonder why the Bucks rescinded the QO. Wouldn’t they have been able to make him play under that if Parker wanted to be an FA next year. |
Chicago was working on an offer sheet for Parker to sign.
Rather than wait to be presented a signed offer sheet and then deliberate about matching, the Bucks raised the white flag and moved on.
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They must have heard how insane the offer was to surrender without making the Bulls sweat a bit. |
They used the MLE on Sova, and BAE on Lopez, they are basically hard capped. |
any chance they do Deng/pick for Henson?
they have now:
Lopez
Thon Maker
DJ Wilson
Tyler Zeller
Plumlee
Henson
Ersan |
No need to trade Deng now. The buy-out market is going to have Vuc, Lopez, Dedmon, and posibly Chandler on it. |
Lakers should still try and trade Deng for a smaller salary. We don’t really want to stretch him next year for 6m a year hit.
Also, why do you think Dedmon or Vucevic are buyout candidates? They don’t fit the characteristics of normal buyout candidates. |
I don't think they want to stretch Deng either, but next summer he only has one year left, so the draft compensation should be cheaper. The reason I think Dedmon could be a buy-out candidate in February is because the Hawks are tanking and will be playing their young guys. |
Even as a rental they may get a 2nd or low 1st for him at the deadline. The next deadline to look at is very soon, the last say you can stretch a player and still lower this year's cap hit. There was a link to a Lakers fan site I saw they said by the 19th I think, but it was vague. If an one knows that date post it please, I'm sure the Melo move will happen by then to be safe. That may free up a big the Lakers could throw their exception at. |
They couldn't get draft compensation for Belly and Sova. Most teams will be reluctant to give up anything for a role playing bigman like Dedmon. Especially one they don't have bird rights on.
I think the Lakers have until Aug 31st to stretch Deng and have his money come off the cap. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Wildchild027 wrote: | fansincemagic wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Wildchild027 wrote: | Daphanabe wrote: | Bard207 wrote: | Daphanabe wrote: | I wonder why the Bucks rescinded the QO. Wouldn’t they have been able to make him play under that if Parker wanted to be an FA next year. |
Chicago was working on an offer sheet for Parker to sign.
Rather than wait to be presented a signed offer sheet and then deliberate about matching, the Bucks raised the white flag and moved on.
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They must have heard how insane the offer was to surrender without making the Bulls sweat a bit. |
They used the MLE on Sova, and BAE on Lopez, they are basically hard capped. |
any chance they do Deng/pick for Henson?
they have now:
Lopez
Thon Maker
DJ Wilson
Tyler Zeller
Plumlee
Henson
Ersan |
No need to trade Deng now. The buy-out market is going to have Vuc, Lopez, Dedmon, and posibly Chandler on it. |
Lakers should still try and trade Deng for a smaller salary. We don’t really want to stretch him next year for 6m a year hit.
Also, why do you think Dedmon or Vucevic are buyout candidates? They don’t fit the characteristics of normal buyout candidates. |
I don't think they want to stretch Deng either, but next summer he only has one year left, so the draft compensation should be cheaper. The reason I think Dedmon could be a buy-out candidate in February is because the Hawks are tanking and will be playing their young guys. |
Even as a rental they may get a 2nd or low 1st for him at the deadline. The next deadline to look at is very soon, the last say you can stretch a player and still lower this year's cap hit. There was a link to a Lakers fan site I saw they said by the 19th I think, but it was vague. If an one knows that date post it please, I'm sure the Melo move will happen by then to be safe. That may free up a big the Lakers could throw their exception at. |
They couldn't get draft compensation for Belly and Sova. Most teams will be reluctant to give up anything for a role playing bigman like Dedmon. Especially one they don't have bird rights on.
I think the Lakers have until Aug 31st to stretch Deng and have his money come off the cap. |
I think they have no plans of stretching Deng this season. Maybe next year but not this.
If we can get back matching salary for him this year & add picks 1/2 for next year salary, we should do it.
Likely candidates:
Henson
Zack r/temple
Dedmond/Lin
G Hill
R Lopez
Asik |
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JPaulK0n Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Probably means nothing but Alex Len was reportedly in Vegas and was spotted in the crowd watching the Lakers vs. Bulls game. |
Welp, he does fit the annoying agitator role the FO wants to fill out the roster with. He's a solid defender and would feel much more confident with Len as a starter than McGee as the spot minutes starter. PER36 is flawed, so take it with a grain of salt, but it did have him averaging 15ppg/13 rpg/2 bpg. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Len, 24, is averaging career highs in points (9.3), rebounds (9.4), assists (1.3), field goal percentage (53.7), free throw percentage (77.3) and percentage of available rebounds grabbed (22.1). He ranks fifth in the NBA in screen assists (screens that directly lead to a field goal) and, just 32 games into the season, he already has 10 games with at least double-digit rebounds and only four games in which he’s had five rebounds or less.
In Phoenix’s past two games – wins over Minnesotaand Dallas – Len has scored 26 points with 33 rebounds, 10 assists and two blocked shots. He is playing so well that Triano hasn’t gone back to veteran Tyson Chandler to finish the games. |
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/12/19/suns-center-alex-len-having-career-year-he-heads-into-free-agency/966684001/ _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Quote: | Len, 24, is averaging career highs in points (9.3), rebounds (9.4), assists (1.3), field goal percentage (53.7), free throw percentage (77.3) and percentage of available rebounds grabbed (22.1). He ranks fifth in the NBA in screen assists (screens that directly lead to a field goal) and, just 32 games into the season, he already has 10 games with at least double-digit rebounds and only four games in which he’s had five rebounds or less.
In Phoenix’s past two games – wins over Minnesotaand Dallas – Len has scored 26 points with 33 rebounds, 10 assists and two blocked shots. He is playing so well that Triano hasn’t gone back to veteran Tyson Chandler to finish the games. |
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/12/19/suns-center-alex-len-having-career-year-he-heads-into-free-agency/966684001/ |
and why doesn't he have a team? _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Quote: | Len, 24, is averaging career highs in points (9.3), rebounds (9.4), assists (1.3), field goal percentage (53.7), free throw percentage (77.3) and percentage of available rebounds grabbed (22.1). He ranks fifth in the NBA in screen assists (screens that directly lead to a field goal) and, just 32 games into the season, he already has 10 games with at least double-digit rebounds and only four games in which he’s had five rebounds or less.
In Phoenix’s past two games – wins over Minnesotaand Dallas – Len has scored 26 points with 33 rebounds, 10 assists and two blocked shots. He is playing so well that Triano hasn’t gone back to veteran Tyson Chandler to finish the games. |
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/12/19/suns-center-alex-len-having-career-year-he-heads-into-free-agency/966684001/ |
and why doesn't he have a team? |
And why a quote from 30 games into the season?
What did he end the season with? |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Just was scrolling on the Suns board to get a feel on him and that was one of the last links posted in his thread _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Len’s biggest strengths are his size and athleticism. Standing at 7’1’’ with a 7’4’’ wingspan, Len is a behemoth in the paint who can move well considering his size. He’s a good rebounder, ranking in the top ten of the NBA on a per 36-minute basis, ahead of stars like Joel Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. The same metric shows how active he is on the offensive glass pulling down 4.5 offensive rebounds per 36 minutes. That mark puts him in the top five of the entire NBA. Len also serves as plus roll man. Last season he ranked in the 77th percentile scoring 1.22 points per possession out of the pick and roll. That’s a fine number for a Suns team that hardly utilized him in that way |
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/6/30/17507668/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-alex-len-phoenix-suns _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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StillSWOL Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Tariq Black
We need some rebounding, tough post D, some pick and roll finish ability and general toughness.... When we play Embiid, Steven Adams, Andre Dummond etc we will get hammered on the boards, need a dude to fill in for game specific action
Enter Black, Tariq
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eagles nut Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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If Len was coming off the same numbers he had last year in the 2016 offseason he would have got a 4 year, $80M deal. Miles Plumlee got a 4 year, $52M deal that offseason coming off averages of 5.1 PPG and 3.8 RPG. |
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10scott10 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | unleasHell wrote: | Shaber wrote: | Let's hope.
Could the release of Lopez and no obvious target to replace him show that the front office believes Zubac + McGee is enough to hold the ground? |
And Wagner, but yeah, it looks like the Lakers will be playing "Center-less" basketball for a good portion of each game.
We keep hearing how the Age of Centers has passed and that we are now in the Age of the Swingman, so perhaps this is the grand plan for the team..
It's scary, it's like going into a battle with no guns and only hand grenades, but if you can win using that method, why not(?)
Lakers could be looking at running an uptempo offense that just overwhelms the opponents with speed and efficiency and then looks to use switching and double teams on the defensive side... |
The ironic thing is, this past draft flies right into the face of that, if anything the age of the center will be returning at some point in the next five years or so. Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Karl Anthony Towns, Myles Turner, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba, Marvin Bagley... The age of the big lumbering stiff who isn't asked to do much other than occupy the paint is over. But bigs are definitely here and when a team finally wins with one it will be "the dawn of the new era of big men". Nothing's changed other than the fact that bigs are more skilled and are being asked to do more.
Funny enough, Golden State, the team everyone is gunning for, has gotten ahead of the wave and acquired a skilled big man of their own in Cousins. We will most certainly need a true 5 at some point. But we aren't championship contenders yet, and there is no point trying to win it all in this offseason. |
Yeah, the league spent a few decades trying to find centers who could defend Shaq above all else, ignoring that for much of NBA history, there have been plenty of 6'10" dudes who have been great centers and have had a lot of skills.
It was aided by the NBA going through the slowest era since the invention of the shot-clock, so they almost never got run off the court by faster teams. The 04-05 Suns, which everyone credits with creating the modern NBA, would have the 6th slowest team last season.
Its taken the NBA talent pipeline a while to catch up to the new paradigm, but we're starting to see more bigs who are skilled and agile, rather than bulky and powerful. |
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Quote: | Len’s biggest strengths are his size and athleticism. Standing at 7’1’’ with a 7’4’’ wingspan, Len is a behemoth in the paint who can move well considering his size. He’s a good rebounder, ranking in the top ten of the NBA on a per 36-minute basis, ahead of stars like Joel Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. The same metric shows how active he is on the offensive glass pulling down 4.5 offensive rebounds per 36 minutes. That mark puts him in the top five of the entire NBA. Len also serves as plus roll man. Last season he ranked in the 77th percentile scoring 1.22 points per possession out of the pick and roll. That’s a fine number for a Suns team that hardly utilized him in that way |
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/6/30/17507668/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-alex-len-phoenix-suns |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I want Wagner to play at least 16mpg, McGee too. I want Zu traded to the Spurs because they liked him in his draft |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | who needs rebounds anyway |
Only like 50% of our free throws |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Javale should be it. I just don't understand the guy. The few minutes he plays for the Warriors, he looks very athletic, very capable, always finishes his chippies and lobs. Why isn't his career stable? Someone said he has ADHD and asthma, is that true? |
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StillSWOL Starting Rotation
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Tariq Black
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Why do people say we did not get Kuzma out of the DLo trade? We got the 27th pick in the deal and drafted Kuzma with that pick??? |
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