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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:08 pm    Post subject:

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I want Wagner to play at least 16mpg, McGee too. I want Zu traded to the Spurs because they liked him in his draft


Hopefully we get Mo good minutes at PF, he'll get distroyed at C
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Need a junk yard dog type big

tarik or trevor booker definitely fits that mold

jeff ayers has desired at least a camp invite


Ayers like 30. He will get an invite but for a practice body. I don’t think he makes a team.



Another smallBall C, if Sacramento doesn't pick him up, is Auguste. He'd work hard around the rim IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

Do *NOT* like Tarik Black.

Alex Len has some size.

I don't see why JaVale, Wagner, and Zubac can't split the time. If this was last year's team? I'd say yeah.. but with the team as constructed? I'd say those three together can handle the minutes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject:

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I want Wagner to play at least 16mpg, McGee too. I want Zu traded to the Spurs because they liked him in his draft


Hopefully we get Mo good minutes at PF, he'll get distroyed at C


Na I think he’s strictly a Center in 2018
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:16 pm    Post subject:

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Undrafted in 2015. 2 failed stints in the NBA. Currently a FA.

This should give some perspective to the numbers M Robinson is putting up.

To Woods credit he looked much improved than his first year. Physically bigger. Maybe this is his year to make it.


do not get your point....Woods did not look anything like Mitchell Robinson during his first Summer League.....your comparing apples and oranges
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:17 pm    Post subject:

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Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms
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Do *NOT* like Tarik Black.

Alex Len has some size.

I don't see why JaVale, Wagner, and Zubac can't split the time. If this was last year's team? I'd say yeah.. but with the team as constructed? I'd say those three together can handle the minutes.


If McGee gets in foul trouble or is too tired (asthma) and you need someone to bang w the likes of a Embiid, Kat, Adams, etc. we are going to have to rely on a rookie or Zubac to play tough d? Scary thought. Last year we Lopez and Randle. Warriors had Green, West, and McGee.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject:

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Parker has to work one year to get $20M

Randle has to work two years to get $18M

I would rather work half as much and make 11% more money.


Missing the forest for the trees.

Randle might make $30 million the next two years and Parker might make $25 mil. We just can’t know.

All we know is that one has a guarantee to get paid $20 million, while the other has a guarantee to make at least $18 million, barring some bizarre circumstances. The rest is just window dressing.


I still prefer Parker’s deal. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush


That’s fine if you prefer it, but Parker’s 2019-2020 salary is still in the bush.


You can’t be serious with your “arguments”. How quickly you make the most money totally matters. $20M guaranteed for 1 year of work outclasses $18M over 2 years no matter how you cut it.
You’re only arguing for the guaranteed portion, but you’ll quickly realize how ridiculous it sounds the more years you add it takes to make the $18M. What if it takes 10 years? 50 years? It absolutely matters.


OK, I’ll try again.

Randle has an opt-out next summer, so there is a good chance he will make MORE than $18 million in 2 years. Could also have more years tacked on next summer.

The Bulls have an option in year 2, so there is a good chance Jabari makes LESS than $40 million over 2 years.

This Realllllly is not that complicated.

Worst case scenario, Parker makes $20 mil and Randle makes $18 mil. If that’s the way it goes down, then neither will care 10 years from now whether it took 1 or 2 years to make that money.

Best case scenario? We don’t know that yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject:

Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:35 pm    Post subject:

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Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms


Yups, none of the names honestly look appealing to me. I say we roll with what we got and try to swing a deal during the season.

Between Mo, Zubac and Mcghee, I think we just platoon the position till something better shows up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject:

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Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?


still feels like a poor decision....not a big deal, but on the surface do not see the need.....especially since he played a lot of PF in G League and showed some versatility.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:37 pm    Post subject:

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Do *NOT* like Tarik Black.

Alex Len has some size.

I don't see why JaVale, Wagner, and Zubac can't split the time. If this was last year's team? I'd say yeah.. but with the team as constructed? I'd say those three together can handle the minutes.


If McGee gets in foul trouble or is too tired (asthma) and you need someone to bang w the likes of a Embiid, Kat, Adams, etc. we are going to have to rely on a rookie or Zubac to play tough d? Scary thought. Last year we Lopez and Randle. Warriors had Green, West, and McGee.


I mean, Alex Len is probably the only one available with size who could do anything unless they make a trade for somebody? I would've loved if they re-signed Brook Lopez.. but it is what it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject:

Vanquish wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Vanquish wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms


Yups, none of the names honestly look appealing to me. I say we roll with what we got and try to swing a deal during the season.

Between Mo, Zubac and Mcghee, I think we just platoon the position till something better shows up.


I mean, but why does it matter? we have an open roster spot....it does not hurt to bring in a 15th guy on a minimum type non guaranteed deal....if we need the roster spot later, just waive him. That is why I am still interested in Nwaba. Our roster does not appear to need him.....but it never hurts to have a long athletic wing that can play defense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?


If we didn't, his salary would be guaranteed and the two max plan would be up in smoke.

He's kind of a victim of timing. If we were allowed to renounce his contract after the free agency period, he would probably still be on the team.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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Nash Vegas wrote:
Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?


still feels like a poor decision....not a big deal, but on the surface do not see the need.....especially since he played a lot of PF in G League and showed some versatility.


I actually agree with you lol.

It was a head scratcher for me too. I actually prefer Thomas Bryant to Ivica Zubac. But.. I'm guessing the Lakers saw something they liked in Zubac (you can't claim bias from Magic because Thomas Bryant was a Magic/Pelinka pick)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:44 pm    Post subject:

OC Lakerfan wrote:
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Need a junk yard dog type big

tarik or trevor booker definitely fits that mold

jeff ayers has desired at least a camp invite


Ayers like 30. He will get an invite but for a practice body. I don’t think he makes a team.


Absolutely NO to Ayers. Dude's got hands made of stone. Between him and Bonga (only because of the traveling violations -- I actually like him as a project) idk which one caused me to face palm more during games.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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adkindo wrote:
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dcarter4kobe wrote:
Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms


Yups, none of the names honestly look appealing to me. I say we roll with what we got and try to swing a deal during the season.

Between Mo, Zubac and Mcghee, I think we just platoon the position till something better shows up.


I mean, but why does it matter? we have an open roster spot....it does not hurt to bring in a 15th guy on a minimum type non guaranteed deal....if we need the roster spot later, just waive him. That is why I am still interested in Nwaba. Our roster does not appear to need him.....but it never hurts to have a long athletic wing that can play defense.


Trying to get into the head of the FO, I think the 15th roster spot is left open as a contingency for injuries.

If we need to get someone urgently in whatever position we can, without worrying about the long convoluted process of waiving someone.

Also, with the exception of a certain president, no one really likes to fire someone, especially if the deal is non-guarenteed as you suggest. Firing someone would be necessary if the lakers need to replace an injured player on a full roster.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject:

^^^they seem to have no issue telling Vander Blue to pack his bags last year so Magic could do a solid for his buddy Payton.
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Vanquish wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Vanquish wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Vanquish wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms


Yups, none of the names honestly look appealing to me. I say we roll with what we got and try to swing a deal during the season.

Between Mo, Zubac and Mcghee, I think we just platoon the position till something better shows up.


I mean, but why does it matter? we have an open roster spot....it does not hurt to bring in a 15th guy on a minimum type non guaranteed deal....if we need the roster spot later, just waive him. That is why I am still interested in Nwaba. Our roster does not appear to need him.....but it never hurts to have a long athletic wing that can play defense.


Trying to get into the head of the FO, I think the 15th roster spot is left open as a contingency for injuries.

If we need to get someone urgently in whatever position we can, without worrying about the long convoluted process of waiving someone.

Also, with the exception of a certain president, no one really likes to fire someone, especially if the deal is non-guarenteed as you suggest. Firing someone would be necessary if the lakers need to replace an injured player on a full roster.


Injuries or taking back additional players via trade (Kawhi +)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?


>>>>>> Zubac but I guess LA is banking on his improvement this summer too

This was probably my least favorite move of the summer lol
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Thomas Bryant having a good summer league stat line.

15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks on 59% shooting.

What was the reason for waiving him at the beginning of free agency again?


Empty numbers man.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Vanquish wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Vanquish wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Some names out there we should take a look at

Alex Len
Greg Monroe
David West
Trevor Booker
Yogi Ferrell
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor
Tarik Black
Christian Wood
Tyler Ulis


Isn't Okafor like Bona Fide bust material? Dude has no defense whatsoever. His offensive game also seems like its more suited for the early 90s.


many consider Alex Len in similar terms


Yups, none of the names honestly look appealing to me. I say we roll with what we got and try to swing a deal during the season.

Between Mo, Zubac and Mcghee, I think we just platoon the position till something better shows up.


I'm not worried about Len fulfilling his potential, the screen rolls, boards and blocks are enough to push for time. If he gets beat out by the rest so be it. Okafor and Monroe don't fit at all, but Len would make sense at this point.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:46 pm    Post subject:

You can say Zu does a lot of things Len would provide. Size, PnR Threat, Rebounding, Shot blocking but Len is a lot stronger+more NBA experience (4 years older than Zu). Zu has a better touch on offense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:57 pm    Post subject:

Lakers should bring on Jahil Okafor, maybe he can be a solid big man in LA.
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I want Wagner to play at least 16mpg, McGee too. I want Zu traded to the Spurs because they liked him in his draft


Hopefully we get Mo good minutes at PF, he'll get distroyed at C


Na I think he’s strictly a Center in 2018

I don't know. He's light on his feet, but he's too light in the pocket to anchor the post. He can guard stretch 4s and 5s right now, but that's it.

If you said "he's strictly a center in 2022," that would make more sense. He'll be bigger and stronger, by then, maybe a tad less lightfooted, and probably more capable of executing low-post moves, defending low-post moves, etc. Not to say that centers of the future are stuck in the low post - they won't be - but a defensive anchor will be spending more time down low than other players.
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