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Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Asik was traded last trade deadline when he had 1 year @11m and 3m guaranteed contract remaining.
thats 14m traded for 1st rd pick. Mirotić was also included in that deal.
I am fine us trading Deng(18.8)/1st/2nd to bulls for R lopez at trade deadline.
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last years market may not be this years market....like I said, I think many teams are fooling themselves right now thinking they can use their cap space to sign FA's next summer....that may soften over time. Teams just do stupid things in my opinion...if I was Chicago, I would have taken that Lavine and Parker money and used it to collect future assets....then hit the FA market in 2020 a a collection of draft assets. |
bulls was an example. U think a team like ATL won't do that trade? for somebody like Dedmon and filler? |
I really have no good feel for how the market will develop over the next year. I felt like I had a good idea going into this summer.....but I have little opinion going forward as of now.
One mistake that some may make is to think it will be a pure supply and demand market....teams with more cap space will make it less costly to dump money.....but it is not always real supply and real demand that shape the market....often it is perceived supply and perceived demand of the players involved....and as long as teams perceive they can use their cap space to sign a star, they will be reluctant to take on bad money with that cap space. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I looked at exp deals we can trade for, and no one excites me that much. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | I looked at exp deals we can trade for, and no one excites me that much. |
r lopez doesn't excite you? what you want an allstar expirer coming back? |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Asik was traded last trade deadline when he had 1 year @11m and 3m guaranteed contract remaining.
thats 14m traded for 1st rd pick. Mirotić was also included in that deal.
I am fine us trading Deng(18.8)/1st/2nd to bulls for R lopez at trade deadline.
similar deal |
last years market may not be this years market....like I said, I think many teams are fooling themselves right now thinking they can use their cap space to sign FA's next summer....that may soften over time. Teams just do stupid things in my opinion...if I was Chicago, I would have taken that Lavine and Parker money and used it to collect future assets....then hit the FA market in 2020 a a collection of draft assets. |
bulls was an example. U think a team like ATL won't do that trade? for somebody like Dedmon and filler? |
I really have no good feel for how the market will develop over the next year. I felt like I had a good idea going into this summer.....but I have little opinion going forward as of now.
One mistake that some may make is to think it will be a pure supply and demand market....teams with more cap space will make it less costly to dump money.....but it is not always real supply and real demand that shape the market....often it is perceived supply and perceived demand of the players involved....and as long as teams perceive they can use their cap space to sign a star, they will be reluctant to take on bad money with that cap space. |
there always will be couple of teams that are rebuilding and looking to get assets for expiring contracts |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo. |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I looked at exp deals we can trade for, and no one excites me that much. |
r lopez doesn't excite you? what you want an allstar expirer coming back? |
I’m talking about overall, but yeah if teams were willing to trade there exp for picks and Deng there is definitely guys we can use. |
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo. |
Solid pick-up.. I think Alex Len will be signing with someone soon, he’s to good for his value to dry up... and for teams to ignore. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Asik was traded last trade deadline when he had 1 year @11m and 3m guaranteed contract remaining.
thats 14m traded for 1st rd pick. Mirotić was also included in that deal.
I am fine us trading Deng(18.8)/1st/2nd to bulls for R lopez at trade deadline.
similar deal |
last years market may not be this years market....like I said, I think many teams are fooling themselves right now thinking they can use their cap space to sign FA's next summer....that may soften over time. Teams just do stupid things in my opinion...if I was Chicago, I would have taken that Lavine and Parker money and used it to collect future assets....then hit the FA market in 2020 a a collection of draft assets. |
bulls was an example. U think a team like ATL won't do that trade? for somebody like Dedmon and filler? |
I really have no good feel for how the market will develop over the next year. I felt like I had a good idea going into this summer.....but I have little opinion going forward as of now.
One mistake that some may make is to think it will be a pure supply and demand market....teams with more cap space will make it less costly to dump money.....but it is not always real supply and real demand that shape the market....often it is perceived supply and perceived demand of the players involved....and as long as teams perceive they can use their cap space to sign a star, they will be reluctant to take on bad money with that cap space. |
there always will be couple of teams that are rebuilding and looking to get assets for expiring contracts |
There will also be a lot of expiring contracts _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:29 am Post subject: |
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The Spurs picking up guys like Belly and Cunningham are good insurance moves in case they need vets in a rebuilding situation. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | eagles nut wrote: | Shams Charania
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo. |
Solid pick-up.. I think Alex Len will be signing with someone soon, he’s to good for his value to dry up... and for teams to ignore. |
i have no idea why Alex Len is not receiving any interest. haven't heard a single word |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:30 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | eagles nut wrote: | Shams Charania
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo. |
Solid pick-up.. I think Alex Len will be signing with someone soon, he’s to good for his value to dry up... and for teams to ignore. |
i have no idea why Alex Len is not receiving any interest. haven't heard a single word |
single word for you.....stiff |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
Right. We can say, "hey, take Deng + cash and get a 1st rounder...or we'll just stretch Deng if worse comes to worse." _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
Right. We can say, "hey, take Deng + cash and get a 1st rounder...or we'll just stretch Deng if worse comes to worse." |
and we can literally get a FA to commit first....then still have time to offload Deng before they sign.....gives us the ability to offer "take it or leave it" deals. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:36 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
Right. We can say, "hey, take Deng + cash and get a 1st rounder...or we'll just stretch Deng if worse comes to worse." |
and we can literally get a FA to commit first....then still have time to offload Deng before they sign.....gives us the ability to offer "take it or leave it" deals. |
Absolutely. And if we can get someone to bite, doesn't that give us something like 12-13m in additional space + max FA + room exception?
That's how you build a contender IMO. Add 3 FA pieces with 1) max FA; 2) 12-13m vet or split that; 3) another room exception player on top of our young core. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
Right. We can say, "hey, take Deng + cash and get a 1st rounder...or we'll just stretch Deng if worse comes to worse." |
and we can literally get a FA to commit first....then still have time to offload Deng before they sign.....gives us the ability to offer "take it or leave it" deals. |
Absolutely. And if we can get someone to bite, doesn't that give us something like 12-13m in additional space + max FA + room exception?
That's how you build a contender IMO. Add 3 FA pieces with 1) max FA; 2) 12-13m vet or split that; 3) another room exception player on top of our young core. |
or divide that 12/13m into KCP + Rondo again next year |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Even with tight cap space this summer, the Kings have 19m lying around doing nothing.
Next summer, with more cap space, there will be many more teams come mid-July that have nothing but cap space. Why not get a first rounder (albeit late 1st) to take on Deng for basically 12m (assuming Lakers pay out 5m in cash with deal)? |
I can definitely see the market loosening next summer when several teams realize they are not signing Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, etc....they question I am unsure of is will some of them reach this conclusion sooner....say by the trade deadline.....they should, but just not sure. |
one thing we have on our side is no other team will have significant leverage....as in we can sign a max FA without having to trade Deng. |
Right. We can say, "hey, take Deng + cash and get a 1st rounder...or we'll just stretch Deng if worse comes to worse." |
and we can literally get a FA to commit first....then still have time to offload Deng before they sign.....gives us the ability to offer "take it or leave it" deals. |
Absolutely. And if we can get someone to bite, doesn't that give us something like 12-13m in additional space + max FA + room exception?
That's how you build a contender IMO. Add 3 FA pieces with 1) max FA; 2) 12-13m vet or split that; 3) another room exception player on top of our young core. |
or divide that 12/13m into KCP + Rondo again next year |
If we're chasing KL/Klay/Butler, would probably need a better center and a backup PG. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Brief look at UFA centers in 2019 worth consideration:
Lopez (either Robin or Brook)
Vucevic
Tyson Chandler
Dedmon
Slim pickings. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I still would like to trade Deng if possible before the season and get an expirer back. where the other team is left with deng as an expirer
R Lopez
Zack Randolph
Henson
Asik
Tyson Chandler/Dudley
Dedmon or Plumlee
concentrating on center's for now |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Brief look at UFA centers in 2019 worth consideration:
Lopez (either Robin or Brook)
Vucevic
Tyson Chandler
Dedmon
Slim pickings. |
DeMarcus Cousins |
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eagles nut wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Brief look at UFA centers in 2019 worth consideration:
Lopez (either Robin or Brook)
Vucevic
Tyson Chandler
Dedmon
Slim pickings. |
DeMarcus Cousins |
I'm talking about the 12-13m in cap space we'd have after getting a max FA wing. Boogie isn't taking that little. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm surprised Okafor is still out there...he has his limitations and really is more of a throwback but as a second or third string center? Surprising no one has picked him...even if it's just to have the option to have a different look and slow things down |
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It is exciting time to be a Lakers fan. The Lakers jumped to number 7 in Bleacher Report rankings. This is from 27 or something. What a change!!!
And some people argue that the Lakers should be number 3 behind Houston and GSW if the young core jells with Lebron.
The key right now is not to give up any first round picks unless for a superstar. And see how the young core are good or not.
And next year a second max superstar FO can be added to the young core making a true contender to GSW. |
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