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pokoy
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
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Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.
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This is insane. OKC's bill for the future will be staggering. |
I’m not sure the Rockets know what made them a great team last year after how they handled this offseason. |
Seriously. I get that Ariza for $15 mil is a bit much, and that they'll likely re-sign Capela at some point (though they're taking a risk that he's only going to sign that QO and bolt next season)... but targeting Melo? I thought they liked analytics?
Houston would probably be better off just picking up some athletic G-League swingman to replace Ariza and then not signing Melo at this point. |
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| pokoy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.
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This is insane. OKC's bill for the future will be staggering. |
They went a little nuts after they broke up that WB-KD-JH HOF trio.
They need to win now. WB and PG are in their primes. Schroeder will be a good backup for WB, and Hawks needed to clear him off to get Trae Young that experience. Decent trade for both considering Melo was such a drag on OKC. I think they're going to be a handful, they could be next year's Houston. I see them switching places next season. |
WB plays 36mpg. Schroeder is a 15m/year backup PG (too small to play SG) (even more when you consider the luxury/repeater tax).
Bizarre move.
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| MJST wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | I'm frustrated that the Celtics were able to keep their guy (Smart), and we weren't able to keep ours. |
The reason we don't have Randle is because the Lakers were hoping lightning will strike twice in the next free agency, and apparently didn't know that all they had to do was stretch Deng next year and they would have been able to sign a Max even if they signed Randle the second year he wanted.
Again, they wanted to keep tunnel visoning instead of seeing him as one of the potential great players we had and I guarantee you, had Ingram had a great season like that in the second half of the season in his contract year and he wanted more than a second year and was in Randle's position, he'd be gone too, for the sake of cap space in 2019.
Look, for the teams sake, they better hope that they signed a max in 2019. Because if they don't they're going to look really really stupid for assuming that just because they got LeBron for his reasons, that they are going to get everybody else because of that.
So, all eyes are on the 2019 free agency now. If they sign a max, they look smart, although they could have done that anyway and kept Randle... But if they don't sign a max they're going to look really dumb considering what they could have kept on a bargain.
But maybe then they would have to stop being sharks toward their young talent. And start actually Valuing them, instead of seeing them as placeholders until the free-agent comes and rescues us. |
How many times have you cut and pasted this ? Over 1,000 ?
You don't even the facts right. They couldn't afford to keep JR and sign a max next summer by just stretching Deng.
$37,430,000......LeBron James (1)
$32,700,000......Kawhi Leonard (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (5)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (6)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (7)
$1,550,000...…...Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (8)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)
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$97,846,571
$6,200,000........Luol Deng (1 year $18.8m Stretched)
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$104,046,571
Deng Dump: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $97,846,571 (Salaries) = $11,153,429 cap space left
Deng Stretch: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $104,046,571 (Salaries) = $4,953,429 cap space left
This doesn't even account for next year's 1st.
JR wasn't coming back for $4m, and he didn't want to play limited minutes. Plus his agent didn't want him here. He moved on. You should try the same thing. |
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babyskyhook
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Doesn't matter how you personally feel about Cousins. If he's calling us and offering to come here for around 5.3M on a one year deal...yeah you take that
We didn't though, and he wound up with the Warriors.
If the idea is "why get him for 5.3M now when we can go after him for 30M next off-season" then.....
If that was going to be an option anyway, you still take it, cause Cousins for 5.3M would have blown the roof off this place for one, even the people that disdained for Cousins would be giving the FO major props for landing him for so cheap in the same off-season we got LeBron.
it personally would feel like the floodgates opened, but in a good way.
Nevertheless, we said no, he's a Warrior, Jules is a Pelican, the Roy Hibbert thread got bumped which scared the [expletive] out of me and Kawhi got deported.
So on to next week in the NBA off-season! |
Passing on Boogie was understandable b/c he's probably not playing until Jan/Feb of next year. Warriors can afford that luxury.
If I recall, you said that there was no way LBJ was coming here yet he's here. Let's try to be a bit more optimistic and give the FO credit for that? If so, then can't you trust that 2019 is when they will put all the pieces together? |
Boogie wasn't coming here for $5.3m Yet another fact MJST overlooks in his agenda promoting bs. |
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| pokoy wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.
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This is insane. OKC's bill for the future will be staggering. |
I’m not sure the Rockets know what made them a great team last year after how they handled this offseason. |
Seriously. I get that Ariza for $15 mil is a bit much, and that they'll likely re-sign Capela at some point (though they're taking a risk that he's only going to sign that QO and bolt next season)... but targeting Melo? I thought they liked analytics?
Houston would probably be better off just picking up some athletic G-League swingman to replace Ariza and then not signing Melo at this point. |
You need 3 and D wings to put next to CP3 and Harden or you’re gonna struggle defensively and be minimizing the wings offensive ability(cause they’re only getting the ball to shoot). They went from Ariza/Tucker/Mbah a Moute to Tucker/Melo. I don’t think this turns out well for them. |
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| Muscala to PHI as part of trade. Justin Anderson to ATL, Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot to OKC. |
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Julianlakers24
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| you think atl will buyout melo now? |
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babyskyhook
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| VicXLakers wrote: | Hooray!
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| eagles nut wrote: | | Muscala to PHI as part of trade. Justin Anderson to ATL, Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot to OKC. |
A whole lot of 'meh,' but Muscala is useful in short stints and TLC may still have some upside.
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | I'm frustrated that the Celtics were able to keep their guy (Smart), and we weren't able to keep ours. |
The reason we don't have Randle is because the Lakers were hoping lightning will strike twice in the next free agency, and apparently didn't know that all they had to do was stretch Deng next year and they would have been able to sign a Max even if they signed Randle the second year he wanted.
Again, they wanted to keep tunnel visoning instead of seeing him as one of the potential great players we had and I guarantee you, had Ingram had a great season like that in the second half of the season in his contract year and he wanted more than a second year and was in Randle's position, he'd be gone too, for the sake of cap space in 2019.
Look, for the teams sake, they better hope that they signed a max in 2019. Because if they don't they're going to look really really stupid for assuming that just because they got LeBron for his reasons, that they are going to get everybody else because of that.
So, all eyes are on the 2019 free agency now. If they sign a max, they look smart, although they could have done that anyway and kept Randle... But if they don't sign a max they're going to look really dumb considering what they could have kept on a bargain.
But maybe then they would have to stop being sharks toward their young talent. And start actually Valuing them, instead of seeing them as placeholders until the free-agent comes and rescues us. |
How many times have you cut and pasted this ? Over 1,000 ?
You don't even the facts right. They couldn't afford to keep JR and sign a max next summer by just stretching Deng.
$37,430,000......LeBron James (1)
$32,700,000......Kawhi Leonard (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (5)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (6)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (7)
$1,550,000...…...Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (8)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)
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$97,846,571
$6,200,000........Luol Deng (1 year $18.8m Stretched)
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$104,046,571
Deng Dump: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $97,846,571 (Salaries) = $11,153,429 cap space left
Deng Stretch: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $104,046,571 (Salaries) = $4,953,429 cap space left
This doesn't even account for next year's 1st.
JR wasn't coming back for $4m, and he didn't want to play limited minutes. Plus his agent didn't want him here. He moved on. You should try the same thing. |
How does Svi make more than Bonga when Bonga was drafted ahead? |
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| Julianlakers24 wrote: | | you think atl will buyout melo now? |
@wojespn
Anthony will get his entire $27.9M in the buyout and waiver with Hawks. It could take a few days to work thru logistics on trade. 'Melo met with Rockets and Heat in Las Vegas. Again, Rockets are the frontrunner.
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | I'm frustrated that the Celtics were able to keep their guy (Smart), and we weren't able to keep ours. |
The reason we don't have Randle is because the Lakers were hoping lightning will strike twice in the next free agency, and apparently didn't know that all they had to do was stretch Deng next year and they would have been able to sign a Max even if they signed Randle the second year he wanted.
Again, they wanted to keep tunnel visoning instead of seeing him as one of the potential great players we had and I guarantee you, had Ingram had a great season like that in the second half of the season in his contract year and he wanted more than a second year and was in Randle's position, he'd be gone too, for the sake of cap space in 2019.
Look, for the teams sake, they better hope that they signed a max in 2019. Because if they don't they're going to look really really stupid for assuming that just because they got LeBron for his reasons, that they are going to get everybody else because of that.
So, all eyes are on the 2019 free agency now. If they sign a max, they look smart, although they could have done that anyway and kept Randle... But if they don't sign a max they're going to look really dumb considering what they could have kept on a bargain.
But maybe then they would have to stop being sharks toward their young talent. And start actually Valuing them, instead of seeing them as placeholders until the free-agent comes and rescues us. |
How many times have you cut and pasted this ? Over 1,000 ?
You don't even the facts right. They couldn't afford to keep JR and sign a max next summer by just stretching Deng.
$37,430,000......LeBron James (1)
$32,700,000......Kawhi Leonard (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (5)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (6)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (7)
$1,550,000...…...Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (8)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)
____________
$97,846,571
$6,200,000........Luol Deng (1 year $18.8m Stretched)
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$104,046,571
Deng Dump: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $97,846,571 (Salaries) = $11,153,429 cap space left
Deng Stretch: $109,000,000 (Cap) - $104,046,571 (Salaries) = $4,953,429 cap space left
This doesn't even account for next year's 1st.
JR wasn't coming back for $4m, and he didn't want to play limited minutes. Plus his agent didn't want him here. He moved on. You should try the same thing. |
How does Svi make more than Bonga when Bonga was drafted ahead? |
IIRC there aren't set scales for 2nd rounders?
#BARD!!!
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jules and Boogie? |
Thank goodness we didn't see that happen.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Julianlakers24 wrote: | | you think atl will buyout melo now? |
@wojespn
Anthony will get his entire $27.9M in the buyout and waiver with Hawks. It could take a few days to work thru logistics on trade. 'Melo met with Rockets and Heat in Las Vegas. Again, Rockets are the frontrunner. |
I still think lakers will nab him if Carmelo and LeBron talk. rockets get weaker  |
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| pokoy wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.
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This is insane. OKC's bill for the future will be staggering. |
I’m not sure the Rockets know what made them a great team last year after how they handled this offseason. |
Seriously. I get that Ariza for $15 mil is a bit much, and that they'll likely re-sign Capela at some point (though they're taking a risk that he's only going to sign that QO and bolt next season)... but targeting Melo? I thought they liked analytics?
Houston would probably be better off just picking up some athletic G-League swingman to replace Ariza and then not signing Melo at this point. |
I thought that Ariza was a detriment to the Rockets in the playoffs last season but if Melo can hit open 3's then he will be an addition to them.
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| Schroder is an inefficient scorer that can't shoot and is bottom of the league defensively. |
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Ugh, somehow the Celtics managed to overpay a RFA Smart in the best buyer's market the NBA has seen in years, bidding against no one, but you won't hear a peep out of the same media that ridiculed our signings. Danny Ainge is god, etc., etc.
And you've already got an overcrowded perimeter rotation with better two-way players in Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, and Rozier. Either they're not planning on keeping Rozier, they don't want to pay Kyrie his max, or they think Smart can be easily moved down the line. Personally, I'm not a fan of guards who shoot 29% from 3-point range, regardless of how good their overrated defense is. |
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Nice deal for Atlanta to shed Schröder's deal and get a potential future 1st for taking on Melo's contract.
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| Practice wrote: | | Schroder is an inefficient scorer that can't shoot and is bottom of the league defensively. |
He may make OKC worse than Melo did.
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| how much is Shroeder costing OKC? |
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| governator wrote: | | how much is Shroeder costing OKC? |
15.5 million a year for 3 years. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | Ugh, somehow the Celtics managed to overpay a RFA Smart in the best buyer's market the NBA has seen in years, bidding against no one, but you won't hear a peep out of the same media that ridiculed our signings. Danny Ainge is god, etc., etc.
And you've already got an overcrowded perimeter rotation with better two-way players in Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, and Rozier. Either they're not planning on keeping Rozier, they don't want to pay Kyrie his max, or they think Smart can be easily moved down the line. Personally, I'm not a fan of guards who shoot 29% from 3-point range, regardless of how good their overrated defense is. |
Two out of those three things.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | pokoy wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.
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This is insane. OKC's bill for the future will be staggering. |
I’m not sure the Rockets know what made them a great team last year after how they handled this offseason. |
Seriously. I get that Ariza for $15 mil is a bit much, and that they'll likely re-sign Capela at some point (though they're taking a risk that he's only going to sign that QO and bolt next season)... but targeting Melo? I thought they liked analytics?
Houston would probably be better off just picking up some athletic G-League swingman to replace Ariza and then not signing Melo at this point. |
I thought that Ariza was a detriment to the Rockets in the playoffs last season but if Melo can hit open 3's then he will be an addition to them. |
Wow that shocks me coming from you. I thought his defense was an integral part to their run. IMO he was a huge positive despite the shooting struggles. |
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| I’m surprised OKC didn’t want Muscala. They could use a big that can shoot. |
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