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I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion.


It would be more accurate if you said we were compensated with Hart and Bryant. I think LA gets Kuzma either way without the trade. But Hart/Bryant wouldn't have been possible.


What's funny is that the narrative may have shifted to the point where Hart/Bryant looks more important than Kuzma.
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I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion.


It would be more accurate if you said we were compensated with Hart and Bryant. I think LA gets Kuzma either way without the trade. But Hart/Bryant wouldn't have been possible.


Whatever. He was selected by Brooklyn with the 27th pick.
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Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject:

So is it right to assume we have a good 6-7 year run at titles if we land PG and LeBron? depending on how our young players progress we could have a good long decade of dominance.

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I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion.


It would be more accurate if you said we were compensated with Hart and Bryant. I think LA gets Kuzma either way without the trade. But Hart/Bryant wouldn't have been possible.


Whatever. He was selected by Brooklyn with the 27th pick.


No matter what or who we got in the deal, you are 100% correct 32. It was the right time.
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So is it right to assume we have a good 6-7 year run at titles if we land PG and LeBron? depending on how our young players progress we could have a good long decade of dominance.


more like 3 or so years
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PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


That Sixers lineup is so dangerous I almost feel like we shouldn't even post it in case someone in their management happens to see it.

Good thing LeBron is old or it would be lights out for ten years.
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I'm still not convinced Embiid's feet are going to hold up.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


Fultz has Anthony Bennett value right now. he is a net negative there.

Embiid, Hope he stays healthy but the guy played 33 games in 3 years.

where is the spacing? where is the bench?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


Fultz has Anthony Bennett value right now. he is a net negative there.

Embiid, Hope he stays healthy but the guy played 33 games in 3 years.

where is the spacing? where is the bench?


I mean even if we assume Fultz never becomes a solid player you could still probably put like literally just about any point guard out there and they'd be fine.

That team has plenty of spacing - every player on the court can shoot the ball from outside except for Fultz (and he used to be able to).

Their bench would rely on vet minimum talent to a large extent - that is true. But I bet guys like Korver would be willing to sign for cheap. I'm not really familiar enough with their current roster but I know that McConnell is not all that terrible and I believe Holmes as well is also not terrible.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject:

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People like you act like if the Lakers don't get these big FA's this season that those moves were a waste. I'm arguing they weren't. We weren't going anywhere with those players. Magic agrees with me.


Magic said they are bringing in 2 max FA stars. Not doing so is failure.
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Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Ingram and Kuzma would go to the bench. And you are correct, the Pelicans aren’t giving up AD.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:05 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


Fultz has Anthony Bennett value right now. he is a net negative there.

Embiid, Hope he stays healthy but the guy played 33 games in 3 years.

where is the spacing? where is the bench?


Reddick would likely be starting with Saric off the bench.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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So is it right to assume we have a good 6-7 year run at titles if we land PG and LeBron? depending on how our young players progress we could have a good long decade of dominance.


more like 3 or so years


Can we just keep our core and just add those two players. Jules would learn so much playing next to Lebron. He could even become Diet Lebron someday. Kuz would look great coming off the bench next to Lebron and George. Ingram might be the odd man out because Lebron would want a big three, but give him time and Ingram will be a big three himself someday.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


Fultz has Anthony Bennett value right now. he is a net negative there.

Embiid, Hope he stays healthy but the guy played 33 games in 3 years.

where is the spacing? where is the bench?


Reddick would likely be starting with Saric off the bench.


how are you paying Reddick? he is getting paid 23m this year
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid

West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)

I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though.


i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price.


well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters


well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?

Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who???


Tiny Dog and Koozy are still on the team - I don't think either could be on the floor in a direct comparison like that but you do have a point.

Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Tiny Dog
Randle

would probably be our best lineup overall. so that lineup vs

Fultz
Saric
Lebron
AD
Embiid

is a different yet probably more valid comparison. I still think that that Sixers lineup is better.

Simmons, a 1st rounder and filler for AD I think is a pretty reasonable deal.


Fultz has Anthony Bennett value right now. he is a net negative there.

Embiid, Hope he stays healthy but the guy played 33 games in 3 years.

where is the spacing? where is the bench?


Reddick would likely be starting with Saric off the bench.


Reddick is an UFA. Unless he takes the room exception, Phili doesn't have room for both him and LeBron.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject:

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I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion.


It would be more accurate if you said we were compensated with Hart and Bryant. I think LA gets Kuzma either way without the trade. But Hart/Bryant wouldn't have been possible.


Whatever. He was selected by Brooklyn with the 27th pick.


32 telling people this is the only scenario in which we get Kuzma should be its own thread at this point. Would be 500+ pages.
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People like you act like if the Lakers don't get these big FA's this season that those moves were a waste. I'm arguing they weren't. We weren't going anywhere with those players. Magic agrees with me.


Magic said they are bringing in 2 max FA stars. Not doing so is failure.


I was of this opinion for a while. But if they use that cap space to get some good values at bargain (i.e. moveable) deals (Barton and Hezonja) and/or rent out their cap space for assets, it greatly mitigates the "failure." They can make a run again at 2019 guys like Klay and Kawhi (or PG again if he 1+1s with OKC), while shrewdly growing our young guys for another year, like we always hoped they would.

In a weird way, i'd be massively in favor of the F.O. just flat out lying to us about future FAs and leveraging our faith/optimism in the new regime with just growing our young guys and adding good pieces like we always wished we could, but seemingly couldn't under the win-now expectations of Jeanie.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject:

The irony of the whole "Russell got us Kuzma" argument is that, in the end, Hart could actually end up as the better long term player for us. If so, people will be celebrating how trading Russell got us Hart (making no mention of Bryant).
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The irony of the whole "Russell got us Kuzma" argument is that, in the end, Hart could actually end up as the better long term player for us. If so, people will be celebrating how trading Russell got us Hart (making no mention of Bryant).


i think Hart will be better then DLO but thats for another time, another thread
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The irony of the whole "Russell got us Kuzma" argument is that, in the end, Hart could actually end up as the better long term player for us. If so, people will be celebrating how trading Russell got us Hart (making no mention of Bryant).


i think Hart will be better then DLO but thats for another time, another thread


Kuzma and Hart could be better than Dlo.
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The irony of the whole "Russell got us Kuzma" argument is that, in the end, Hart could actually end up as the better long term player for us. If so, people will be celebrating how trading Russell got us Hart (making no mention of Bryant).

Ironically, I was literally just about to say this. Hart was so solid this year that I would actually say I prefer him to Russell at this point, and I was an unashamed Russell guy when he was here.
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The irony of the whole "Russell got us Kuzma" argument is that, in the end, Hart could actually end up as the better long term player for us. If so, people will be celebrating how trading Russell got us Hart (making no mention of Bryant).


Ironically, I was literally just about to say this. Hart was so solid this year that I would actually say I prefer him to Russell at this point, and I was an unashamed Russell guy when he was here.


Lol, my point was that Hart could be better than Kuzma... and that's the player people in the future might want to be celebrating. However, could Hart be better than Russell too? Maybe. Right now I'm not ready to say that. Give Russell health and another year (since Hart is a year older than him).
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