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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Short midrange, long midrange, 3 point shot

Anthony Davis .436 .387 .309
Kristaps Porzingis .441 .415 .361
DeMarcus Cousins .346 .379 .337
LaMarcus Aldridge .413 .422 .288
Draymond Green .317 .328 .327
Kevin Love .305 .404. 370
Blake Griffin .332 .379 .324
Nikola Jokic .480 .480 .366
Al Horford .431 .467 .370
Kyle Kuzma .364 .382 .366
Paul Millsap .396 .409 .330
Lauri Markannen .348 .350. .362
Dirk Nowitzki .472 .475 ,386
Aaron Gordon .374 .307 .309
Serge Ibaka .479 .457 .367
Derrick Favors .381 .322 .202
Marcus Morris .426 .431 .357
Dario Saric .366 .304 .355
Tobias Harris .417 .417 .355
Jabari Parker .384 .366 .352
Larry Nance Jr. .336 .420 .224
Pau Gasol .415 .431 .366
Harrison Barnes .368 .409 .367
Markieff Morris .452 .386 .338
Nikola Mirotic .323 .388 .357
Zach Randolph .380 .400 .273
John Collins .414 .259 .340
Domantas Sabonis .356 .389 .327
Greg Monroe .378 .340 N/A
Thaddeus Young .336 .386 .326
Jordan Bell .632 .375. N/A
Marquese Chriss .345 .347 .309

Julius Randle .344 .271 .257

None of these PF/C shot worse than Julius Randle from distance.

I'm not saying we shouldn't sign him... I'm saying we should be very careful how much we pay him.

I just took a list from Ranker of the best current NBA power forwards and recorded their FG% from 10 to 16 feet, 16 to 3 pt line, and 3pt.

I had no idea what I would find... but it was worse than I thought.

I realize shooting isn't everything, but it still shocked me that virtually everyone was a better shooter than Julius... you'd have to look at players like DeAndre or Clint to find those with less range.

Was anyone clamoring to bring him back because of his shooting?


Exactly this list does nothing to change my desire to have him back.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
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Sentient Meat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Short midrange, long midrange, 3 point shot

Anthony Davis .436 .387 .309
Kristaps Porzingis .441 .415 .361
DeMarcus Cousins .346 .379 .337
LaMarcus Aldridge .413 .422 .288
Draymond Green .317 .328 .327
Kevin Love .305 .404. 370
Blake Griffin .332 .379 .324
Nikola Jokic .480 .480 .366
Al Horford .431 .467 .370
Kyle Kuzma .364 .382 .366
Paul Millsap .396 .409 .330
Lauri Markannen .348 .350. .362
Dirk Nowitzki .472 .475 ,386
Aaron Gordon .374 .307 .309
Serge Ibaka .479 .457 .367
Derrick Favors .381 .322 .202
Marcus Morris .426 .431 .357
Dario Saric .366 .304 .355
Tobias Harris .417 .417 .355
Jabari Parker .384 .366 .352
Larry Nance Jr. .336 .420 .224
Pau Gasol .415 .431 .366
Harrison Barnes .368 .409 .367
Markieff Morris .452 .386 .338
Nikola Mirotic .323 .388 .357
Zach Randolph .380 .400 .273
John Collins .414 .259 .340
Domantas Sabonis .356 .389 .327
Greg Monroe .378 .340 N/A
Thaddeus Young .336 .386 .326
Jordan Bell .632 .375. N/A
Marquese Chriss .345 .347 .309

Julius Randle .344 .271 .257

None of these PF/C shot worse than Julius Randle from distance.

I'm not saying we shouldn't sign him... I'm saying we should be very careful how much we pay him.

I just took a list from Ranker of the best current NBA power forwards and recorded their FG% from 10 to 16 feet, 16 to 3 pt line, and 3pt.

I had no idea what I would find... but it was worse than I thought.

I realize shooting isn't everything, but it still shocked me that virtually everyone was a better shooter than Julius... you'd have to look at players like DeAndre or Clint to find those with less range.

Was anyone clamoring to bring him back because of his shooting?


I didn't cherry pick the list... I just posted it in order... he has the skill set of someone like Shaq but without the sheer length and size.

Some may find that valuable... some may not.


How many guys on this list are available that you would rather have over Julius.


Let me put it this way... I've fine with us signing him for morale reasons and I'd like to see if he can develop a midrange if possible.

But Derrick Favors is maybe the closest to him as a shooter, and at least Favors can rim protect. Favors costs 12 million.

I'm only reacting to those wanting to give up assets in a trade to free up cap space to sign him.

Randle on a slight overpay is worth it for team morale... but getting rid of #25 and Hart to sign him is madness in my opinion.

The inability to rim protect and shoot a midrange is something you all shouldn't ignore... I only posted these stats so people understand what we are considering here.


Its not an over pay you're giving up those first to improve the team not just keeping randle. You want the ability to bring in a max player. Dont tell me Lebron and PG woukdnt want him here.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject:

I think there's been a misunderstanding here...
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject:

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Exactly this list does nothing to change my desire to have him back.


I wonder how many 5s on that list can switch defensively and do grab and go...
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:17 pm    Post subject:

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Its not an over pay you're giving up those first to improve the team not just keeping randle. You want the ability to bring in a max player. Dont tell me Lebron and PG woukdnt want him here.


We can sign LBJ and PG if we don't keep Randle... the question is whether Randle is worth close to a 20 million salary plus getting rid of 25 and someone like Hart.

If I knew for a fact that shot would go up to say the lower third of that list... I could see paying that price... but on what we have so far... I think it's too high.

There is a good chance it will improve because he can shoot FTs decently... but considering he can't block shots... hasn't fully developed great passing skills... the price seems rather high.

Draymond you can justify his mediocre shooting because of better defense and passing... Julius seems a risk.

If I signed him, it would be more to keep the team happy than for his skills as they stand. I do hold open the possibility that he has some growth yet
but I don't want to trade Hart and the #25. Let's see what happens.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Short midrange, long midrange, 3 point shot

Anthony Davis .436 .387 .309
Kristaps Porzingis .441 .415 .361
DeMarcus Cousins .346 .379 .337
LaMarcus Aldridge .413 .422 .288
Draymond Green .317 .328 .327
Kevin Love .305 .404. 370
Blake Griffin .332 .379 .324
Nikola Jokic .480 .480 .366
Al Horford .431 .467 .370
Kyle Kuzma .364 .382 .366
Paul Millsap .396 .409 .330
Lauri Markannen .348 .350. .362
Dirk Nowitzki .472 .475 ,386
Aaron Gordon .374 .307 .309
Serge Ibaka .479 .457 .367
Derrick Favors .381 .322 .202
Marcus Morris .426 .431 .357
Dario Saric .366 .304 .355
Tobias Harris .417 .417 .355
Jabari Parker .384 .366 .352
Larry Nance Jr. .336 .420 .224
Pau Gasol .415 .431 .366
Harrison Barnes .368 .409 .367
Markieff Morris .452 .386 .338
Nikola Mirotic .323 .388 .357
Zach Randolph .380 .400 .273
John Collins .414 .259 .340
Domantas Sabonis .356 .389 .327
Greg Monroe .378 .340 N/A
Thaddeus Young .336 .386 .326
Jordan Bell .632 .375. N/A
Marquese Chriss .345 .347 .309

Julius Randle .344 .271 .257

None of these PF/C shot worse than Julius Randle from distance.

I'm not saying we shouldn't sign him... I'm saying we should be very careful how much we pay him.

I just took a list from Ranker of the best current NBA power forwards and recorded their FG% from 10 to 16 feet, 16 to 3 pt line, and 3pt.

I had no idea what I would find... but it was worse than I thought.

I realize shooting isn't everything, but it still shocked me that virtually everyone was a better shooter than Julius... you'd have to look at players like DeAndre or Clint to find those with less range.

Was anyone clamoring to bring him back because of his shooting?


Exactly this list does nothing to change my desire to have him back.


Meat doesn't believe in switchability on defense, so no surprise that he would ignore that.

He's also ignoring the fact that Jules doesn't need to shoot from distance to be effective, as long as he's got someone like Lopez or Kuz to space the floor next to him. We saw that all year.

And finally- we've seen Julius hit 3s. He has the ability. There's no reason he can't add that to his game over time. He's far from a finished product.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What about these free agents?

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Why everybody only talking about big name free agents (PG, LeBron James and DeMarcus Cousins)?
What about these free agents?

1. Joe Harris
2. Tyreke Evans
3. Mario Hezonja
4. Avery Bradley
5. Will Barton
6. Fred VanVleet
7. Jerami Grant
8. Trevor Ariza
9. Nerlens Noel



Other than Ariza, most of those players are still considered young and really haven't made huge money in their careers.

In many of the offseason scenarios discussed here, the FO is going to have to be careful with the moves and spending to get everything to fall into place. There would be a Room Exception to use and mostly minimum salary contracts for the non primary free agent signings.

It will be difficult for the FO to convince players looking to build their bank accounts to sign for cheap.


I like Ariza and Tyreke would probably be a good acquisition
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject:

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Exactly this list does nothing to change my desire to have him back.


I wonder how many 5s on that list can switch defensively and do grab and go...


I don’t even think Davis could run the floor like Jules with the ball
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

Jules has a unique gift of guard like speed while having 7ft 265pound center strength. How many centers have his base and speed? I can’t think of any. He doesn’t need to hit 3s at a high clip right now he’s effective at what he does do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject:

posted this on PG13 thread, but just in case u guys were interested in OKC reporters....

https://clutchpoints.com/thunder-rumors-paul-george-agent-tells-news-anchor-hell-re-sign-with-thunder/
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: What about these free agents?

Car54 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
kobe1got wrote:
Why everybody only talking about big name free agents (PG, LeBron James and DeMarcus Cousins)?
What about these free agents?

1. Joe Harris
2. Tyreke Evans
3. Mario Hezonja
4. Avery Bradley
5. Will Barton
6. Fred VanVleet
7. Jerami Grant
8. Trevor Ariza
9. Nerlens Noel



Other than Ariza, most of those players are still considered young and really haven't made huge money in their careers.

In many of the offseason scenarios discussed here, the FO is going to have to be careful with the moves and spending to get everything to fall into place. There would be a Room Exception to use and mostly minimum salary contracts for the non primary free agent signings.

It will be difficult for the FO to convince players looking to build their bank accounts to sign for cheap.


I like Ariza and Tyreke would probably be a good acquisition


Joe Harris is definitely a guy we need to look at signing. Curious to see how much he gets a year.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What about these free agents?

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Car54 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
kobe1got wrote:
Why everybody only talking about big name free agents (PG, LeBron James and DeMarcus Cousins)?
What about these free agents?

1. Joe Harris
2. Tyreke Evans
3. Mario Hezonja
4. Avery Bradley
5. Will Barton
6. Fred VanVleet
7. Jerami Grant
8. Trevor Ariza
9. Nerlens Noel



Other than Ariza, most of those players are still considered young and really haven't made huge money in their careers.

In many of the offseason scenarios discussed here, the FO is going to have to be careful with the moves and spending to get everything to fall into place. There would be a Room Exception to use and mostly minimum salary contracts for the non primary free agent signings.

It will be difficult for the FO to convince players looking to build their bank accounts to sign for cheap.


I like Ariza and Tyreke would probably be a good acquisition


Joe Harris is definitely a guy we need to look at signing. Curious to see how much he gets a year.


He's iterated that he'd like to stay in BKN. We'll see how the negotiations go.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject:

BigBallerBrand wrote:
posted this on PG13 thread, but just in case u guys were interested in OKC reporters....

https://clutchpoints.com/thunder-rumors-paul-george-agent-tells-news-anchor-hell-re-sign-with-thunder/


“I’m told that PG’s agent is saying that PG says...”

That’s a lot of telling... but even if that’s true I’m perfectly happy going after Kawhi next season letting the kids develop, seeing Kawhi and his health and then following it up going for Anthony Davis.

That combo fits our timeline way better and those two guys legitimately make our team better, unlike Paul George who I have questions about how he affects winning.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject:

I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject:

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I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?

Tristan Thompson with Blake Griffin's handles, passing, and post game.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?

Tristan Thompson with Blake Griffin's handles, passing, and post game.


So Blake with better defense and worse shooting?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?

Tristan Thompson with Blake Griffin's handles, passing, and post game.


So Blake with better defense and worse shooting?

That's what I think is attainable for him.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Trade Deng and the 25th pick and future 1st for cap

I say resign Randle and Thomas then sign George and Jordan




Ball / Thomas / Caruso
George / Hart / Ingram
Ingram / GEorge
Randle / Kuzma / Wear
Jordan / Zubac

this team is legit !!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:52 pm    Post subject:

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Trade Deng and the 25th pick and future 1st for cap

I say resign Randle and Thomas then sign George and Jordan




Ball / Thomas / Caruso
George / Hart / Ingram
Ingram / GEorge
Randle / Kuzma / Wear
Jordan / Zubac

this team is legit !!


the clippers team with blake and CP3 was way better than this lineup and they never got far in the playoffs
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?

Tristan Thompson with Blake Griffin's handles, passing, and post game.


So Blake with better defense and worse shooting?

That's what I think is attainable for him.


That sounds like a pretty good projection... but he'd really need to up his passing game to achieve even that.

Also I find it interesting that few here wanted Blake, yet most want Julius.

Again... at a fair price which should be closer to Tristan than Blake's... without costing assets, I'm fine with signing him.

If the price is closer to Blake and we lose #25 and Hart, then I don't think it's worth it. Blake was an overpay and two franchises are paying for it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject:

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I feel like I'm in some alternate dimension where Kuz isn't a first team all rookie and Lillard isn't a first team all NBA judging by these trade ideas.


LOL, tell me about it. Kuz should be part of our future not a trade chip...


100% agree!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject:

a2j1m wrote:
Trade Deng and the 25th pick and future 1st for cap

I say resign Randle and Thomas then sign George and Jordan




Ball / Thomas / Caruso
George / Hart / Ingram
Ingram / GEorge
Randle / Kuzma / Wear
Jordan / Zubac

this team is legit !!


Both forward spots cannot shoot. Spacing will not be good in my opinion. I would rather have Lopez, at least the spacing is better with him and Randle both on the floor.

Also Ball can't shoot. So essentially we going to be the 90s Knicks with our offensive ineptitude


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
I agree Julius is an interesting unicorn type of player... but can anyone name a player his size who dominated at power forward with those types of shooting numbers? I think of Rodman but there you have elite rebounding and defense.

True Julius could score better than Rodman... but I'm just wondering what great player you all believe will Julius resemble when he's fully matured?

Tristan Thompson with Blake Griffin's handles, passing, and post game.


So Blake with better defense and worse shooting?


And without the flopping, whining, douchebaggery, and fake tough guy act.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: What about these free agents?

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Car54 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
kobe1got wrote:
Why everybody only talking about big name free agents (PG, LeBron James and DeMarcus Cousins)?
What about these free agents?

1. Joe Harris
2. Tyreke Evans
3. Mario Hezonja
4. Avery Bradley
5. Will Barton
6. Fred VanVleet
7. Jerami Grant
8. Trevor Ariza
9. Nerlens Noel



Other than Ariza, most of those players are still considered young and really haven't made huge money in their careers.

In many of the offseason scenarios discussed here, the FO is going to have to be careful with the moves and spending to get everything to fall into place. There would be a Room Exception to use and mostly minimum salary contracts for the non primary free agent signings.

It will be difficult for the FO to convince players looking to build their bank accounts to sign for cheap.


I like Ariza and Tyreke would probably be a good acquisition


Joe Harris is definitely a guy we need to look at signing. Curious to see how much he gets a year.
I wanted to trade Clarkson for him during the season.
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BigBallerBrand wrote:
posted this on PG13 thread, but just in case u guys were interested in OKC reporters....

https://clutchpoints.com/thunder-rumors-paul-george-agent-tells-news-anchor-hell-re-sign-with-thunder/


“I’m told that PG’s agent is saying that PG says...”

That’s a lot of telling... but even if that’s true I’m perfectly happy going after Kawhi next season letting the kids develop, seeing Kawhi and his health and then following it up going for Anthony Davis.

That combo fits our timeline way better and those two guys legitimately make our team better, unlike Paul George who I have questions about how he affects winning.


Important to remember an agent's job is to lie most of the time.
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