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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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didn't the nets also get a 2nd round pick though

Ooh, that's potentially the best piece in this deal depending on which 2nd the Sixers included. Good work by Marks there.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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didn't the nets also get a 2nd round pick though

Ooh, that's potentially the best piece in this deal depending on which 2nd the Sixers included. Good work by Marks there.


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Solid. A little additional ammunition if they want to move up in the 1st.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject:

Nets with DLo and OK4 without having picks for couple years, not bad
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Nets with DLo and OK4 without having picks for couple years, not bad


Nets basically now have the Number 2 and 3 Picks of the 2015 Draft.

Both 20 ppg scorers. I say that because I figure that is what Okafor will average when given play time.

He nearly did it his rookie year. Dedicated himself this off-season and lost a lot of weight, improved his mid range, and got more lateral quickness.

Wondering if this is going to be a Nurkic situation, which the Nuggets wound up regretting when it was obvious Nurkic had made strides and improvements in his game they never took advantage of.

I will stand by a statement I heard before that if Okafor's defense could even get to Nurkic's level.. he'll be an all-star and the Sixers will regret trading him and will be hoping on each star they have, that Embiid remains healthy.
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^Too much truth here my man. Truth to the bone marrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject:

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^Too much truth here my man. Truth to the bone marrow.


Joe to your credit I can mostly not tell whether you are being sarcastic
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Nets with DLo and OK4 without having picks for couple years, not bad


And no expectations to win, so plenty of playing time for both of them.

Funny that the two sides of the lakers divide on okafor va DLo now gets a chance to follow the nets as their secondary team with both players on it
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject:

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Nets with DLo and OK4 without having picks for couple years, not bad


And no expectations to win, so plenty of playing time for both of them.

Funny that the two sides of the lakers divide on okafor va DLo now gets a chance to follow the nets as their secondary team with both players on it


It's quite the reunion!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject:

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Tough when one of your primary guys (Simmons) can’t make a catch and shoot jumpshot.

You have some things to learn about fit MJ if you think you can just throw any parts together, even talented ones, and they will work.

Simmons is essentially A 6’10 Rondo right now. He orchestrates that offense with the ball in hands often. Unfortunately, James is essentially a PG as well and does the same job.

James can shoot, so that’s cool, but Simmons shoots as well as Rondo. He’ll have a very difficult time playing off of James effectively. If Simmons could shoot, it would have a chance, but since he can’t, really never has, and is probably years away developing a jumpshot, it’s a bad fit.

Simmons and James would have to change the fabric of the way they’ve played their whole lives for it to work, and, yeah, they could do that, but you’d be asking too much of them to dramatically change their games.

Sometimes it’s just a bad fit.


LeBron isn't going to Philly. Plain and simple. But as far as fit goes, Simmons is one of those guys who can "fit" with just about anyone who can pass and play legit hoops. He knows how to play and move off ball despite not having a jumper. Just like everyone thought LBJ and Wade wouldn't work, they would figure it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
So Dr. No, aka MJST, what is your master plan for the next 2 years for the Lakers since you seemingly don't want LBJ or PG13 on this team? Could you give us a concise vision of how you take this team to the playoffs next season, then a top 3-4 seed by 2019?


Isn't it obvious? Feed Julius the ball, bench anyone who questions this or disagrees, and then occasionally let one or two other guys get the ball then talk them.up post game so that he thinks his bias isn't completely obvious to everyone else despite how blatant it is?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject:

When I look back on favorites of the 2015 draft.

If you'd told anyone (such as Mike@LG) that a team was going to have a young 3 going forward of D'Angelo Russell, Caris LeVert and Jahlil Okafor...


I say that considering how big a fan Mike was of LeVert as well.

If Caris can put it together then the Nets have a pretty solid team going forward in theory.

D'Angelo Russell
Allen Crabbe
DeMare Carrol
Rndae Hollis-Jefferson
Jahlil Okafor

Bench unit
Jeremy Lin
Caris LeVert



Not a bad start. For a team that had essentially no pick for the past 2 drafts.. they essentially just got the number 2 and 3rd best players of their respective drafts both with a high upside and scoring potential.

LeVert is another kid with solid upside as he puts it together. The question is "if" instead of "when" at this point considering his season thus far. But I think he will.

So we'll see. The Nets have done a good job recovering from their 'doom' which was hanging over them and seemed all but certain till we gift wrapped Russell to them.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject:

Its a NY thing now. Your got Porzingis in NY, Okafor and DLo in Brooklyn. They are joining forces and they still wont be close to him.
Gosh I remember how badly I wanted Porzingis and everyone here was telling me he sucks, hes going to be a bust etc, everyone wanted Okafor or DLo. Well Porzingis is muuuuuuch muuuuuch muuuch muuuch better than both.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
When I look back on favorites of the 2015 draft.

If you'd told anyone (such as Mike@LG) that a team was going to have a young 3 going forward of D'Angelo Russell, Caris LeVert and Jahlil Okafor...


I say that considering how big a fan Mike was of LeVert as well.

If Caris can put it together then the Nets have a pretty solid team going forward in theory.

D'Angelo Russell
Allen Crabbe
DeMare Carrol
Rndae Hollis-Jefferson
Jahlil Okafor

Bench unit
Jeremy Lin
Caris LeVert



Not a bad start. For a team that had essentially no pick for the past 2 drafts.. they essentially just got the number 2 and 3rd best players of their respective drafts both with a high upside and scoring potential.

LeVert is another kid with solid upside as he puts it together. The question is "if" instead of "when" at this point considering his season thus far. But I think he will.

So we'll see. The Nets have done a good job recovering from their 'doom' which was hanging over them and seemed all but certain till we gift wrapped Russell to them.


don't forget the undrafted Dinwiddie, been solid
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
MJST wrote:
When I look back on favorites of the 2015 draft.

If you'd told anyone (such as Mike@LG) that a team was going to have a young 3 going forward of D'Angelo Russell, Caris LeVert and Jahlil Okafor...


I say that considering how big a fan Mike was of LeVert as well.

If Caris can put it together then the Nets have a pretty solid team going forward in theory.

D'Angelo Russell
Allen Crabbe
DeMare Carrol
Rndae Hollis-Jefferson
Jahlil Okafor

Bench unit
Jeremy Lin
Caris LeVert



Not a bad start. For a team that had essentially no pick for the past 2 drafts.. they essentially just got the number 2 and 3rd best players of their respective drafts both with a high upside and scoring potential.

LeVert is another kid with solid upside as he puts it together. The question is "if" instead of "when" at this point considering his season thus far. But I think he will.

So we'll see. The Nets have done a good job recovering from their 'doom' which was hanging over them and seemed all but certain till we gift wrapped Russell to them.


don't forget the undrafted Dinwiddie, been solid


Precisely.

Also on top of that Russell and Okafor both wanted to be Lakers extremely badly. Russell got sent away just before he was going to break out and Okafor wasn't drafted by them. So you got two of the three in their core now that were snubbed by the Lakers (including now when Okafor was available for essentially nothing) and are going to have vendettas when they play us X_X If you add Lin to that list once he gets back as a 6th man that'd make another one..

That's ... just great

Just for the heck of it I'm going to make up a lineup where the Lakers kept Lin on as their long term 6th man, didn't trade D'Lo and just got Okafor, Stauskas and a 2nd round pick for Larry Nance Jr.(whom imo holds a similar value to Trevor Booker)


Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Jahlil Okafor

Bench:
Jeremy Lin
Jordan Clarkson / Nik Stauskas
Kyle Kuzma / Corey Brewer
Luol Deng / Thomas Bryant
Ivica Zubac
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:32 pm    Post subject:

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Its a NY thing now. Your got Porzingis in NY, Okafor and DLo in Brooklyn. They are joining forces and they still wont be close to him.
Gosh I remember how badly I wanted Porzingis and everyone here was telling me he sucks, hes going to be a bust etc, everyone wanted Okafor or DLo. Well Porzingis is muuuuuuch muuuuuch muuuch muuuch better than both.

But LaMelo is going to be much better than Ponzi
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject:

Nets ended up getting the 2nd and 3rd pick of the 2015 draft. Not bad Brooklyn.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject:

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Nets ended up getting the 2nd and 3rd pick of the 2015 draft. Not bad Brooklyn.


And the 8th Pick in the 2014 draft, taken right after Randle
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject:

I’m gonna take a big guess and say that the Lakers are gonna be wheeling and dealing come Dec 15 and Feb TD.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
governator wrote:
MJST wrote:
When I look back on favorites of the 2015 draft.

If you'd told anyone (such as Mike@LG) that a team was going to have a young 3 going forward of D'Angelo Russell, Caris LeVert and Jahlil Okafor...


I say that considering how big a fan Mike was of LeVert as well.

If Caris can put it together then the Nets have a pretty solid team going forward in theory.

D'Angelo Russell
Allen Crabbe
DeMare Carrol
Rndae Hollis-Jefferson
Jahlil Okafor

Bench unit
Jeremy Lin
Caris LeVert



Not a bad start. For a team that had essentially no pick for the past 2 drafts.. they essentially just got the number 2 and 3rd best players of their respective drafts both with a high upside and scoring potential.

LeVert is another kid with solid upside as he puts it together. The question is "if" instead of "when" at this point considering his season thus far. But I think he will.

So we'll see. The Nets have done a good job recovering from their 'doom' which was hanging over them and seemed all but certain till we gift wrapped Russell to them.


don't forget the undrafted Dinwiddie, been solid


Precisely.

Also on top of that Russell and Okafor both wanted to be Lakers extremely badly. Russell got sent away just before he was going to break out and Okafor wasn't drafted by them. So you got two of the three in their core now that were snubbed by the Lakers (including now when Okafor was available for essentially nothing) and are going to have vendettas when they play us X_X If you add Lin to that list once he gets back as a 6th man that'd make another one..

That's ... just great

Just for the heck of it I'm going to make up a lineup where the Lakers kept Lin on as their long term 6th man, didn't trade D'Lo and just got Okafor, Stauskas and a 2nd round pick for Larry Nance Jr.(whom imo holds a similar value to Trevor Booker)


Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Jahlil Okafor

Bench:
Jeremy Lin
Jordan Clarkson / Nik Stauskas
Kyle Kuzma / Corey Brewer
Luol Deng / Thomas Bryant
Ivica Zubac


Any roster with Okafor penciled in as the starting C is going to struggle to win games in today's NBA, if this is the same guy we've seen the past few years, unless you're only playing him 20 minutes or less. And even then, that's 20 minutes where you literally have no defensive resistance on the floor from your big man.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Nets with DLo and OK4 without having picks for couple years, not bad


I was going to say pretty impressive job by Nets FO cleaning up the disaster they were in...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject:

has this become netsground.com ?? who cares about that franchise

Lakers will be back on top with LeBron next year as he relaxes in his brand new $23 mil home he bought today in LA
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject:

pmacla wrote:
has this become netsground.com ?? who cares about that franchise

Lakers will be back on top with LeBron next year as he relaxes in his brand new $23 mil home he bought today in LA


Hell yeah....

Emplay already has a article on LeBrons choices.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
wow the nets won that trade big time


Bryan Colangelo is terrible.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject:

I got pissed when earlier today when I saw mock line ups for the Sixers (screw them) on LG. I was going to sarcastically say, "Who's next, the Nets?" Sure enough Okafor is about to be traded there and now I'm treated to reading possible Nets line ups too!

Let's make mock line ups for the Wolves tomorrow morning followed by the Bulls. We'll start with just the young teams and go on from there. 😜
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
I got pissed when earlier today when I saw mock line ups for the Sixers (screw them) on LG. I was going to sarcastically say, "Who's next, the Nets?" Sure enough Okafor is about to be traded there and now I'm treated to reading possible Nets line ups too!

Let's make mock line ups for the Wolves tomorrow morning followed by the Bulls. We'll start with just the young teams and go on from there. 😜


Actually you might be on to something there. The Wolves could make a sign and trade deal with the Cavs to land LeBron and their lineup could look like:

Teague
Wiggins
Lebron
Gibson
KAT

not bad :O
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