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Paul George on where the Thunder stand 26 games in: “We can say we’re going to figure it out, we can say all that, but at some point it’s got to stop.”


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Paul George on where the Thunder stand 26 games in: “We can say we’re going to figure it out, we can say all that, but at some point it’s got to stop.”


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Hell no.


but what if PG-13 was playing well enough to be an All Star this year....and Jeanie could get her All Star in time for the game in Staples?


You heard him Hell No, and screw what Jeanie wants.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


The Lakers laugh and hang up. They can have KCP or Lopez + Clarkson or Nance + one of Zubac, Hart, or Bryant. If they don't plan on keeping Randle they might send him with KCP. But all three of those guys is a serious overpay.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Why overpay for a player that's somewhat, dropping in value and may just sign outright anyway?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject:

I remember the Heat struggling, but they had LeBron James. LeBron isn't walking through that door in a Thunder jersey though.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:08 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Clarkson and Randle for PG13. That deal also saves OKC a significant amount in luxury tax.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

Clarkson + Lopez for PG13 and Adams does that work salary wise?
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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Clarkson and Randle for PG13. That deal also saves OKC a significant amount in luxury tax.


Nance/kcp/Zu should do it. Like Mike said his value is dropping


Don't see OKC doing that.

They aren't going to pay more Luxury tax when dumping PG-13 and aren't going to want to pay for KCP.

Clarkson and Randle seem like a win, win for both teams.

If we could do Clarkson, Brewer, Nance and a future 2nd, that would be a killer deal for the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Man. I'm kind of glad that Russell never had a chance to be a Laker. His game is too cray cray. But that being said I love that Ray Felton shot 1-10 in under 20 mins to help OKC lose.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

I'm just waiting for Zach Lavine to come back healthy for our 2019 plan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Clarkson and Randle for PG13. That deal also saves OKC a significant amount in luxury tax.


Nance/kcp/Zu should do it. Like Mike said his value is dropping


Don't see OKC doing that.

They aren't going to pay more Luxury tax when dumping PG-13 and aren't going to want to pay for KCP.

Clarkson and Randle seem like a win, win for both teams.

If we could do Clarkson, Brewer, Nance and a future 2nd, that would be a killer deal for the Lakers.


They are not going to pay luxury tax yet they will pay 12.5m to Clarkson for 3 years and add randle's another 15/18m per year?

I doubt that


They have the option to let Randle walk and keep Clarkson at a very reasonable salary for 2 years.

They also might decide that Randle + Clarkson for $30m in a better fit than than just PG-13 with Westbrook for $30m.

There is also no way Randle is getting 15/18m per year in this FA market. He will be lucky to get a deal starting at $12m a year. So $24m for those two is significant luxury tax saving and potentially a better team.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:01 pm    Post subject:

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What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Why overpay for a player that's somewhat, dropping in value and may just sign outright anyway?


I don't think anyone in the league trades anything of value for Paul George right now. If they wanted to trade him, we'd be bidding against ourselves.

I wouldn't trade Clarkson or Randle. At the deadline, I'd offer them KCP, Nance, Zubac and either a future 1st rounder or future 2nd rounder for George. That's pretty much an even salary swap. Honestly, I think it improves OKC this season as well. I don't George is a fit next to Melo and Westbrook, KCP and Nance would be.

It also means George is less of a cap hold this summer, and if we still need to trade Clarkson, stretch Deng or let Randle go in case Lebron or Cousins wants to come here, we can.

If OKC continues to lose, I think the above could be a real possibility primarily because we'd be the only suitor.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:25 pm    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
What if OKC offered PG-13 for Clarkson, Randle....and Kuzma. Do the Lakers consider it?


Why overpay for a player that's somewhat, dropping in value and may just sign outright anyway?


I don't think anyone in the league trades anything of value for Paul George right now. If they wanted to trade him, we'd be bidding against ourselves.

I wouldn't trade Clarkson or Randle. At the deadline, I'd offer them KCP, Nance, Zubac and either a future 1st rounder or future 2nd rounder for George. That's pretty much an even salary swap. Honestly, I think it improves OKC this season as well. I don't George is a fit next to Melo and Westbrook, KCP and Nance would be.

It also means George is less of a cap hold this summer, and if we still need to trade Clarkson, stretch Deng or let Randle go in case Lebron or Cousins wants to come here, we can.

If OKC continues to lose, I think the above could be a real possibility primarily because we'd be the only suitor.


Would love nothing more than a trade like that... the having him under contract for half a season would allow Magic and Rob to negotiate with his agent and find ways to get creative to find a way to keep Julius/Clarkson.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject:

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Clarkson + Lopez for PG13 and Adams does that work salary wise?


No freakin way they add Adams
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject:

As others have said KCP/Zub/Nance/1st should be the max you should give up for George. Helps alleviate the Lakers PF jam, adds a star, and is a wash cap wise. OKC gets depth and players that will do well without the ball in their hands. Doubt it happens, but one can hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:13 am    Post subject:

Correct me if I wrong but I don't think one year contracts can be traded, without the player's consent.

So no trades involving KCP?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject:

If they are still stinking by the end of January, I bet they take KCP + Nance + Denver's 2nd rounder for PG-13. One thing to consider is, they can re-sign KCP, likely for less than he's making now (maybe $14M/yr), which allows them to trade Roberson ($10M/yr) away.

By doing that, they will be exactly on the Luxury Tax threshold ($123M) with 10 players guaranteed. Then, they can trade Abrines or Patterson ($5.5M each) for scraps to open space for 3 2nd rounders (their own, Boston's and Denver's) and a couple of minimum salaries to fill the roster.

Westbrook, KCP, Melo, Nance, Adams. KCP is an upgrade over Roberson and Nance is the perfect guy to do the dirty work for Melo and Russell. It's a good plan.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:33 am    Post subject:

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Correct me if I wrong but I don't think one year contracts can be traded, without the player's consent.

So no trades involving KCP?


I might be wrong as well, but I believe it applies only to RFA and so called One Year Birds, players who sign for one season twice in a row with the same team. In this case, they would have to forfeit their Bird rights.

I believe we can trade KCP without his consent.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:42 am    Post subject:

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Nance is the perfect guy to do the dirty work for Melo and Russell. It's a good plan.


That is Robersons job and he's a better defender

With Nance in, Melo has to play at SF - he's no more a SF


Let's lean back and wait till next season.We'l get PG for nothing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:47 am    Post subject:

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Correct me if I wrong but I don't think one year contracts can be traded, without the player's consent.

So no trades involving KCP?


I might be wrong as well, but I believe it applies only to RFA and so called One Year Birds, players who sign for one season twice in a row with the same team. In this case, they would have to forfeit their Bird rights.

I believe we can trade KCP without his consent.


Yups, you're right, just checked larry coon... Coon writes:

a trade requires the player's consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

Since we don't have KCP's bird rights, we can trade him.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:07 am    Post subject:

i see people here suggesting jr, jc for pg.
Are you crazy? This is an offer for a player with at least one and a half
year contract remaining. ok if its zu, lnj and a 2 round pick.
Especially jc will find many teams for him, a compo guard with
these stats and friendly contract?come on
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