OFFICIAL 2018 FREE AGENCY THREAD (7/24 Update: LAL Has Full 15 Man Roster; p.1 - Remaining FAs, Notable Expiring Contracts & Lakers' 2019 Cap)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject:

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Now that Svi signed can we still open up enough space to trade BI to SA if we waive Deng?


yeah, but doubt that happens....they have not offered Ingram.


So just Bi, picks and a stretched Dengbdoes it or do we have to include Zu?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject:

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We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.


Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...


I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.


You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.

I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.


Boogie wasn't on the team when they swept the Blazers. Rondo is a loss, but they did gain Randle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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Now that Svi signed can we still open up enough space to trade BI to SA if we waive Deng?


yeah, but doubt that happens....they have not offered Ingram.


I hope we don’t offer BI.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
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Now that Svi signed can we still open up enough space to trade BI to SA if we waive Deng?


yeah, but doubt that happens....they have not offered Ingram.


So just Bi, picks and a stretched Dengbdoes it or do we have to include Zu?


my quick math...stretching Deng opens up enough space plus Ingram or Ball's salary and $4.8 Million is greater than Kawhi's salary.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject:

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The only signing I potentially see is if Bron wants Melo....which I doubt and he'll probably end up in Houston...otherwise I see possibly Frye resigning as an experienced stretch 5 or 4 and insurance policy in case Wagner is not ready or someone goes down.


They'll have to sign or trade for someone to be able to use the money promised to Stephenson and vet min deals . They could just give the the remainder to Stephenson and hold onto the space exception for a cut player.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
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Now that Svi signed can we still open up enough space to trade BI to SA if we waive Deng?


yeah, but doubt that happens....they have not offered Ingram.


I hope we don’t offer BI.


I don't think we will. I think Ingram and Kuz are not being traded period. I think the highest price they pay is Hart...filler like Wagner, Zu, Deng....IMO it will have to be some type of 3 -way trade. Fro example Lakers, Denver and Spurs where we end up with Kawhi...Spurs with Hart and Faried and 2 #1's..and Nuggets with Deng, Zu and a filler. Again just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject:

if the reports about LeBron basically loving Ingram's game and his potential, i'd highly doubt he is involved in a trade. Same goes for Lonzo. That being said, its very had to believe anything being "reported" so I guess time will tell.

I do hope Ingram, Lonzo, and Kuz are not traded.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569

So the Lakers now have 4.8M to spend after signing Svi


I don't think that's correct, unless the Lakers front loaded the deal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject:

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We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.


says the Master Baiter.


Says anyone who has a clue. Once we begin signing the players we have committed to we will be locking ourselves into this season. With the one year contracts we can have cap space next offseason. Pretty simple to see


So you'll just ignore the fact that Jules wanted the Lakers not to match any offers he got from NO thereby asking the Lakers to essentially release him.


I’m not ignoring that the Lakers wouldn’t give him a second year option.


The only use of that option is insurance against injuries otherwise it's pretty damn useless.

100% he opts out after year one which is basically what the Lakers would have given him, a one year contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569

So the Lakers now have 4.8M to spend after signing Svi


I don't think that's correct, unless the Lakers front loaded the deal.


I got it from this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
Why do you guys still take VLF seriously? The dude is a disguised troll and has been for over a decade. He was supposed to leave LG and become a Clippers fan after Jim Buss and Mitch were fired (something he said was impossible). He's also been proven wrong and shown to contradict himself at least 1000 times. He gets an old man pass from the mods for some reason.


If that's true, shouldn't he become VCF?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
LakerSanity wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569

So the Lakers now have 4.8M to spend after signing Svi


I don't think that's correct, unless the Lakers front loaded the deal.


I got it from this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569


https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1016745895260389376
Emplay guesstimates at $4M left. TBD
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject:

I think we are at 4.84 to sign a player, but about 4 in a one for one trade
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject:

Who was the starting center and backup center for the team who won the championship this year?

Anyone see where I’m going with this?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject:

https://youtu.be/AV3O94yv4vc

What if magic plans on using lebron in that Julius Randle role. Lebron as the small ball 5 would change the game. I think you are forced to go small and match up with him.

Lebron
Kuzma
Ingram
KCP
Lonzo

Lebron + Lonzo PnR

Lebron + Kuzma PnR

Lebron running the PnR from the 5

We could force teams to play our way if lebron is ok with it.
Teams with players like embiid would be pissed. You can’t hide embiid anywhere defensively against that lineup. No matter what he’s out of the paint

https://youtu.be/vIZui0MEfcw

A lot of his defensive highlights are in the paint
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject:

az82187 wrote:
How about Deng and Zu for Whiteside? Deng had his last good year in Miami and Whiteside is probably worth the $7mm difference between his and Deng's salary for this year (plus the cost of losing Zu). Also, Whiteside will probably be a more sought after contract next summer than Deng. He will still cost a bit more but at least he can be a productive role player, but Deng not so much.


Whiteside is terrible. If we are spending cap space (other than 1 year rentals) on non-max players, we are doing it wrong. They didn't shed draft picks and former players to sign Whiteside dude.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject:

We just signed Lance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LakerSanity wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569

So the Lakers now have 4.8M to spend after signing Svi


I don't think that's correct, unless the Lakers front loaded the deal.


I got it from this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1016735846999789569


https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1016745895260389376
Emplay guesstimates at $4M left. TBD


Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:56 am    Post subject:

So now we have the room exception?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject:

I definitely think Lakers have something up there sleeve, seems like quite a few people feel the same way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject:

OC Lakerfan wrote:
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How about Deng and Zu for Whiteside? Deng had his last good year in Miami and Whiteside is probably worth the $7mm difference between his and Deng's salary for this year (plus the cost of losing Zu). Also, Whiteside will probably be a more sought after contract next summer than Deng. He will still cost a bit more but at least he can be a productive role player, but Deng not so much.


Whiteside is terrible. If we are spending cap space (other than 1 year rentals) on non-max players, we are doing it wrong. They didn't shed draft picks and former players to sign Whiteside dude.


It's not "signing" Whiteseide. It's leveraging Deng's 18 million for this year to get Whiteside for about 25 million. The difference in salaries might be worth the difference in production. Or it might not. That's why I'm proposing it as a suggestion. Also, if Whiteside does indeed have a good year then unloading him next summer may be more practical than unloading Deng next summer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
https://youtu.be/AV3O94yv4vc

What if magic plans on using lebron in that Julius Randle role. Lebron as the small ball 5 would change the game. I think you are forced to go small and match up with him.

Lebron
Kuzma
Ingram
KCP
Lonzo

Lebron + Lonzo PnR

Lebron + Kuzma PnR

Lebron running the PnR from the 5

We could force teams to play our way if lebron is ok with it.
Teams with players like embiid would be pissed. You can’t hide embiid anywhere defensively against that lineup. No matter what he’s out of the paint

https://youtu.be/vIZui0MEfcw

A lot of his defensive highlights are in the paint

I agree sir.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
PICKnPOP wrote:
https://youtu.be/AV3O94yv4vc

What if magic plans on using lebron in that Julius Randle role. Lebron as the small ball 5 would change the game. I think you are forced to go small and match up with him.

Lebron
Kuzma
Ingram
KCP
Lonzo

Lebron + Lonzo PnR

Lebron + Kuzma PnR

Lebron running the PnR from the 5

We could force teams to play our way if lebron is ok with it.
Teams with players like embiid would be pissed. You can’t hide embiid anywhere defensively against that lineup. No matter what he’s out of the paint

https://youtu.be/vIZui0MEfcw

A lot of his defensive highlights are in the paint

I agree sir.


Explains why randle didn’t want to come back imo .

I think lebron could win his first DPOY anchoring this defense
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
I definitely think Lakers have something up there sleeve, seems like quite a few people feel the same way.


I have doubts...no cap space left, and Deng would have to be included in any deal for Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject:

Had the Lakers not rescinded the QO, Randle doesn't sign any offer sheet unless he and Mintz saw it sufficient enough to deter the Lakers from matching and using him as trade filler. If Randle had no such offer, he waits like Noel and it ties up our money ($12.4M), possibly through August, and we are lucky to get Napier or Payton (Rondo's off the table by then).

All that in the hopes of signing him to a QO, and finding a team that would offer a pick just to rent him for that season (one he was WILLING to be traded to, as QOs have an auto-NTC). Not much leverage if that team tries to low-ball us.

Moreover, it is unlikely any team in the market for a short rental has the space to offer him the deal he wants, so they wouldn't trade anything significant. I'd rather have Rondo than a guy on his way out who doesn't fit with our best player.
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