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JrR31 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:58 pm Post subject: Indentify the problem. |
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Lets key in on the real issues.
I see it. It's all 3.
Scoring. We lack 3pt shooters. We have Kuzma one guy who can score with the best of them. He is only a rookie which says a lot the rest of our roster...
I am hoping Lopez can add a bit more firepower when he suits up.
Defense: There is no interior defense guys getting beat all the time. And just can't make stops consistently. I am hoping Bogut and Lopez can man the middle.
Rebounding. Not able to score and defend is not only our problem. I also see a worrying sign of getting owned on the boards. We just get beat up on rebounding. Again i hope Lopez and Bogut can add muscle down low and give us some rebounds.
Any more problems?
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socalsp3 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Lack of coaching. We’re getting Byron's “effort” speech after every game now from Luke. Thats a copout. Problem is there is no scheme to what they do on offense or defense. That’s all coaching. |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Talent. |
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som3on3_10 Star Player
Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 2482 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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The Juggernaut wrote: | Talent. |
It’s amazing how much having this will cover up coaching mishaps. |
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fiendishoc Star Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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som3on3_10 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Spelling. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 12665
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with all three of those points. Especially the lack of three point shooting, though you'd have to expect KCP and Lonzo to improve there over time, and adding Lopez into the mix will help some (though Lopez is not a help rebounding wise). If you look at the stats though they haven't fared as poorly as their lack of competitiveness would seem to indicate.
Offensively the Lakers are middle of the pack in points per game (12th) and are doing relatively well in field goal percentage (6th). But they are 25th in three point percentage. Lower-middle of the pack in rebounding (18th) and Blocks (16th), and reasonably good in assists (8th) and Steals (7th).
Defensively they have been generally poor but it is somewhat improved from last season. They would be 22nd in defensive rating, 22nd in opponents fg%, 25th in opponents 3p%, 25th in opponents points per game, 24th in defensive rebounding percentage, 23rd in opponents points off turnovers, 23rd in opponents points from offensive rebounds, 20th in opponents points on fast break, and 25th on opponents points in the paint. So aside from blocks and Steals they are in the bottom third of every defensive stat, but no worse than 25th in any of them.
So offensively they aren't doing great but are above average. Defensively the two stats (blocks and steals) aren't terrible, and they aren't bottom dwelling on anything, but that's where the primary issue is. The team needs to get more stops and then they need to get out and run. That will move the offense from above average to good if they can get a few more stops per game.
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Andre2K Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 12199
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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som3on3_10 wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Spelling. |
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_________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Pg Lonzo
Sg Kawhi
Sf Ingram
Pf Lebron
C Dedmon
Bench: Caruso, Hart, Bullock, Kuzma, McGee etc |
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ThreePointBomber Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Our players are low talent, combined with low basketball IQ. We lost three good shooters, and we have a bunch of guys trying to get theirs. Randle is in a contract year, and I have seen ZERO improvement in his game.
Clarkson is still a tunnel vision chucker.
Bogut and Lopez are injuring prone
The rest of our team is basically rookies so I give them a pass. _________________ The most important shot in basketball. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Problem 1- best C's injured
Problem 2- a them needs to play together for months in order to sync
Problem 3- fans lofty expectations of a mediocre group of players, sets those same fans up for disappointment
Problem 4- it's actually the preseason and the coach needs to play everyone back and forth to get a feel for them before season starts, some don't understand that
Luke is not on that problem list. Luke and the the top 9-10 players will become much better once he decides who that will be. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:47 am Post subject: |
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1. As someone else said, talent.
2. Young developing players usually don't win in this league.
3. Basically a new team. It's going to take them a while to gel and learn the system. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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DShotMaker1824 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Andre2K wrote: | som3on3_10 wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Spelling. |
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_________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:36 am Post subject: |
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oldschool32 wrote: | 1. As someone else said, talent.
2. Young developing players usually don't win in this league.
3. Basically a new team. It's going to take them a while to gel and learn the system. | pretty much it. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Ingram/Lonzo/Randle/KCP/Luke not as good as we want yet
3s not dropping yet
No interior D yet
We want instaresult |
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matrixskillz Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:17 am Post subject: |
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VujacicForThree wrote: | Our players are low talent, combined with low basketball IQ. We lost three good shooters, and we have a bunch of guys trying to get theirs. Randle is in a contract year, and I have seen ZERO improvement in his game.
Clarkson is still a tunnel vision chucker.
Bogut and Lopez are injuring prone
The rest of our team is basically rookies so I give them a pass. |
_________________ We only celebrate championships.
"I GOT WHEATIES!" |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Coaching. Also, after seeing how our "shooters" shoot in-game, I think it was just a very bad idea to get non-shooters and force them to practice and get good with their jumpshots. Baaaaad idea!! Whose idea was that I wonder?
We're screwed now if our shooters can't make jumpers. That is the basis of Luke's offense or any offense. It's to have players being able to make open jumpers. _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend! |
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Math Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Wrong pieces/wrong system. _________________ I'm a Balliever. |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Terrible coaching staff-- lack of X's and O's/defensive schemes
No shooters
Youth (no ready to win talent) |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:32 am Post subject: |
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How can it be talent unless we were all wrong about this team? We have known for months now what talent we would have available and very few of us were like, well, what a sucky season we have ahead with the lack of talent!
In fact, this was supposed to be the team with sufficient talent to draw Lebron James, PG13, and/or Westbrook.
So what happened? Either we were all wrong, or, Luke and co are not putting the talent we do have, in the right positions to succeed. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Lack of stamina required to play at a torrential pace all game.
Lack of an effective shooting coach.
Lack of starting and second string centers.
Lack of time together as a team. |
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Too many project players trying to meet unrealistic individual goals set by a rookie front office. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:57 am Post subject: |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Lack of stamina required to play at a torrential pace all game.
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So then what the heck did they do all summer _________________ Kobe |
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Bard207 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | How can it be talent unless we were all wrong about this team? We have known for months now what talent we would have available and very few of us were like, well, what a sucky season we have ahead with the lack of talent!
In fact, this was supposed to be the team with sufficient talent to draw Lebron James, PG13, and/or Westbrook.
So what happened? Either we were all wrong, or, Luke and co are not putting the talent we do have, in the right positions to succeed. |
I would think that more progress/improvement was expected for Ingram, Clarkson, Randle, Zubac and Nance than has been seen so far.
The rest of the rotation from last season was something like Mozgov, Black, Lou Williams, Nick Young and Russell. Replaced with Lopez, Bogut or Bryant, KCP, Ball, Kuzmu and Hart.
So far, something maybe close to an even swap between the new players and those that left. Maybe an even exchange in performance is the best that can be expected for that part of the situation.
If the returning players were able to progress only incrementally, then the team shouldn't be expected to do more than an incremental improvement. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:16 am Post subject: |
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VujacicForThree wrote: | Our players are low talent, combined with low basketball IQ. We lost three good shooters, and we have a bunch of guys trying to get theirs. Randle is in a contract year, and I have seen ZERO improvement in his game.
Clarkson is still a tunnel vision chucker.
Bogut and Lopez are injuring prone
The rest of our team is basically rookies so I give them a pass. |
I think you hit pretty much all the cliches _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:19 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | How can it be talent unless we were all wrong about this team? We have known for months now what talent we would have available and very few of us were like, well, what a sucky season we have ahead with the lack of talent!
In fact, this was supposed to be the team with sufficient talent to draw Lebron James, PG13, and/or Westbrook.
So what happened? Either we were all wrong, or, Luke and co are not putting the talent we do have, in the right positions to succeed. |
Or maybe all of us don’t feel like you think we feel. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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