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| Chronicle wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Lack of stamina required to play at a torrential pace all game.
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So then what the heck did they do all summer |
They didn’t play NBA games, and that is what you need to do to get into game shape
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Lack of stamina required to play at a torrential pace all game.
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So then what the heck did they do all summer |
Working out so they can post on social media. Funny how Josh Hart was one of the only guys that said he doesn't need to post every workout, and his game will speak for itself.
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Lack of coaching. We’re getting Byron's “effort” speech after every game now from Luke. Thats a copout. Problem is there is no scheme to what they do on offense or defense. That’s all coaching. |
When you have average players what else are you going to ask for? Effort of course, because that's the only thing that will make them competitive. Every coach will use that word when they are frustrated about their lack of talent. Luke maybe young and a cool character but in the end he's going to feel the frustration that what he's teaching is not being executed. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Indentify the problem. |
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| JrR31 wrote: | Lets key in on the real issues.
I see it. It's all 3.
Scoring. We lack 3pt shooters. We have Kuzma one guy who can score with the best of them. He is only a rookie which says a lot the rest of our roster...
I am hoping Lopez can add a bit more firepower when he suits up.
Defense: There is no interior defense guys getting beat all the time. And just can't make stops consistently. I am hoping Bogut and Lopez can man the middle.
Rebounding. Not able to score and defend is not only our problem. I also see a worrying sign of getting owned on the boards. We just get beat up on rebounding. Again i hope Lopez and Bogut can add muscle down low and give us some rebounds.
Any more problems? |
Don't expect Lopez to give you much interior defense or rebounding. Bogut may help in those areas but he's not a scorer. So pick your poison. Besides centers are just the last line of defense, if your perimeter defenders are weak you end up with same poor interior defense. |
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To quote Cory Brewer: "Just ran out of talent"
A Lebron James on this exact team and were 3-0. Is he a defensive monster? Is it Luke doing a great job coaching? Schemes? Nope. Just the best in the game on our team not theirs. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Indentify the problem. |
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| JrR31 wrote: | Lets key in on the real issues.
I see it. It's all 3.
Scoring. We lack 3pt shooters. We have Kuzma one guy who can score with the best of them. He is only a rookie which says a lot the rest of our roster...
I am hoping Lopez can add a bit more firepower when he suits up.
Defense: There is no interior defense guys getting beat all the time. And just can't make stops consistently. I am hoping Bogut and Lopez can man the middle.
Rebounding. Not able to score and defend is not only our problem. I also see a worrying sign of getting owned on the boards. We just get beat up on rebounding. Again i hope Lopez and Bogut can add muscle down low and give us some rebounds.
Any more problems? |
We are what we are.
We have a bunch of young guys we hope will develop.
And then we have some stopgap vets who are holding down the fort for a year, who we hope we can replace next year with some big free agents.
We are looking to the future while trying to hold together this year with duct tape. I think the issue is some fans thought this would be "the" year for a big jump rather than part of a gradual transition. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| pmacla wrote: | | problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
And unrealistic expectations
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
And unrealistic expectations |
Don't blame only the fans.
The Laker management team itself has expressed for years - decades even and continues to express - that the club's expectation is to compete for championships regularly. OK, the gauntlet was being set down by club leadership while they trying to do anything possible to extend the "Kobe" window of opportunity to win it all. Didn't work out so well. PLenty of mistakes. The front office and coaching purges. There's a price for mortgaging the future and the club's been paying it in the near term. They're probably not done either. This will take some time to mend.
I'm on board with making gradual progress at this juncture because it's about the only option at hand. I tend to like this group of guys. I have optimism. I'm hopeful that this season will reflect another click's worth of improvement but I don't think the playoffs are at hand just yet. That's OK too, for now. Down years happen, and don't we all know it, only too painfully, recently, frequently. Fans get grumpy and it's OK. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| textbook wrote: | To quote Cory Brewer: "Just ran out of talent"
A Lebron James on this exact team and were 3-0. Is he a defensive monster? Is it Luke doing a great job coaching? Schemes? Nope. Just the best in the game on our team not theirs. |
Good to know that we're just a LeBron away |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Lack of stamina required to play at a torrential pace all game.
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So then what the heck did they do all summer |
They didn’t play NBA games, and that is what you need to do to get into game shape |
This. Big difference between workout shape and NBA game shape. Beyond that yet, to play the high percentage transition ball that Luke is asking? That's pain on a whole new level.*
*We're talking what the Six Fingered Man did to the Man in Black before Inyego Montoya found Fezek and rescued him. |
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WE SUCK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Indentify the problem. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | JrR31 wrote: | Lets key in on the real issues.
I see it. It's all 3.
Scoring. We lack 3pt shooters. We have Kuzma one guy who can score with the best of them. He is only a rookie which says a lot the rest of our roster...
I am hoping Lopez can add a bit more firepower when he suits up.
Defense: There is no interior defense guys getting beat all the time. And just can't make stops consistently. I am hoping Bogut and Lopez can man the middle.
Rebounding. Not able to score and defend is not only our problem. I also see a worrying sign of getting owned on the boards. We just get beat up on rebounding. Again i hope Lopez and Bogut can add muscle down low and give us some rebounds.
Any more problems? |
We are what we are.
We have a bunch of young guys we hope will develop.
And then we have some stopgap vets who are holding down the fort for a year, who we hope we can replace next year with some big free agents.
We are looking to the future while trying to hold together this year with duct tape. I think the issue is some fans thought this would be "the" year for a big jump rather than part of a gradual transition. |
Wise words.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| 70sdude wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
And unrealistic expectations |
Don't blame only the fans.
The Laker management team itself has expressed for years - decades even and continues to express - that the club's expectation is to compete for championships regularly. OK, the gauntlet was being set down by club leadership while they trying to do anything possible to extend the "Kobe" window of opportunity to win it all. Didn't work out so well. PLenty of mistakes. The front office and coaching purges. There's a price for mortgaging the future and the club's been paying it in the near term. They're probably not done either. This will take some time to mend.
I'm on board with making gradual progress at this juncture because it's about the only option at hand. I tend to like this group of guys. I have optimism. I'm hopeful that this season will reflect another click's worth of improvement but I don't think the playoffs are at hand just yet. That's OK too, for now. Down years happen, and don't we all know it, only too painfully, recently, frequently. Fans get grumpy and it's OK. |
The way I see it... there are no surprises.
1) Luke said that they weren't able to work in offensive schemes early to promote defense. Therefore I am not expecting the team to look like a real team for a while.
2) Training camp so most are not only learning to play together but there are also camp fodder mixed in which dilutes the vision even more. Along with the fact that we are trying to see what pieces we have and how to work them together... now is not the time to see how the engine is running... we don't even know what parts we have yet.
3) Lonzo is gong to be the sole catalyst to the team's hopes of success this season (unfortunately). Like Summer League, it's going to take time to mesh. Once some familiarity and chemistry is built, things will start to run smoother... but not at this stage... especially when he is on the bench.
4) The to vet 5's aren't on the floor so that is a huge disruption to chemistry. Once they get in then it will take time for the whole team to mesh on both sides of the court.
My outlook is extremely positive for this team... but I am not going to judge them on W/L's at this point... it's wayyy too early for that. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| 70sdude wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
And unrealistic expectations |
Don't blame only the fans.
The Laker management team itself has expressed for years - decades even and continues to express - that the club's expectation is to compete for championships regularly. OK, the gauntlet was being set down by club leadership while they trying to do anything possible to extend the "Kobe" window of opportunity to win it all. Didn't work out so well. PLenty of mistakes. The front office and coaching purges. There's a price for mortgaging the future and the club's been paying it in the near term. They're probably not done either. This will take some time to mend.
I'm on board with making gradual progress at this juncture because it's about the only option at hand. I tend to like this group of guys. I have optimism. I'm hopeful that this season will reflect another click's worth of improvement but I don't think the playoffs are at hand just yet. That's OK too, for now. Down years happen, and don't we all know it, only too painfully, recently, frequently. Fans get grumpy and it's OK. |
You are right, management is included as well
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-Clarkson and Randle
-Lack of 3PT shooting
-Youth |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| som3on3_10 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Spelling. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | problem is Lakers fans dont have enough patience |
And unrealistic expectations |
We are being realistic about this team.
I will spell it out for you.
We have no choice but to be patient.
Here we are waiting for change. OK!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Should have kept Russell. Our guard depth and shooting are really bad. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| No defense (expected), no Lonzo Effect (hoped it would transcend the lack of shooting, but no dice in two games). |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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KCP doesn't finish well at the rim and his shooting is inconsistent.
Randle's midrange game has improved but not enough.
Nance Jr still can't hit jumpers consistently.
Ball is also inconsistent from distance.
We leave great shooters wide open to help in the post.
Ingram is taking too many shots from distance and he hasn't improved enough.
Luke is using Zubac all wrong; have him post up.
Yeah, like everyone said - need talent, specifically shooters like Matt Thomas and perimeter defenders like Nwaba. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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The Problem is .....it's PRE SEASON and we know NOTHING.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lakerguy3 wrote: | | The Problem is .....it's PRE SEASON and we know NOTHING. |
Pathetic to make this thread after Game 2 of the preseason . . .
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