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| LarryCoon wrote: | | It's a good move. He's a quality guy. |
Larry.
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ibitegirls
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| But does he have 8% body fat??? |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Is he gonna impact wins? |
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VicXLakers
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| can he coach d???? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| ibitegirls wrote: | | But does he have 8% body fat??? |
No but he can tell us what the optimal body fat % should be. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| ibitegirls wrote: | | But does he have 8% body fat??? |
Does he bite girls?
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danzag
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| Can he defend? |
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The Juggernaut
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Good hire. Hopefully Maginka listen to him |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a great pickup. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Is he gonna impact wins? |
It's unlikely he'll have an immediate impact on wins, and it's unlikely fans will ever really have a solid idea of the impact analytics has in terms of Lakers on court performance.
But, in the long run, that's the goal of analytics. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Good to see them fill that position
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | This is a quality hire. Kudos. |
His thesis at Harvard: | Quote: | | Wrote senior thesis (advisor Carl Morris, Harvard Professor of Statistics) on “An In-game Win Probability Model for the NBA" |
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Don't need to go to Harvard to know in NBA team With the best player/players now that we have super teams usually has a higher probability of winning. |
Do you mean teams like OKC, Golden State, San Antonio and Houston?
All four are well known for being involved with Analytics. |
lol. does it matter when you have pretty much the most of the best players in the nba? NO. we know analytics is a necessary thing. But we always have this discussion. We're all waiting to see it work for teams with lesser talent. Until then, it will not be this "oh my...we finally got an analytics guy." as if thats the reason why we've been so bad these last few years.
You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | This is a quality hire. Kudos. |
His thesis at Harvard: | Quote: | | Wrote senior thesis (advisor Carl Morris, Harvard Professor of Statistics) on “An In-game Win Probability Model for the NBA" |
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Don't need to go to Harvard to know in NBA team With the best player/players now that we have super teams usually has a higher probability of winning. |
Do you mean teams like OKC, Golden State, San Antonio and Houston?
All four are well known for being involved with Analytics. |
lol. does it matter when you have pretty much the most of the best players in the nba? NO. we know analytics is a necessary thing. But we always have this discussion. We're all waiting to see it work for teams with lesser talent. Until then, it will not be this "oh my...we finally got an analytics guy." as if thats the reason why we've been so bad these last few years.
You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
You have no idea what an analytics person does. Those teams have some of the best players in the game because they graded out well using analytics, others teams passed while they saw the value of those players.
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| Quote: | | You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
Hmm. Don't you think the smartest basketball minds who PLUS analytics might be why they composed this team and kept the core?
It's not just analytics by itself. It's using analytics + a brilliant basketball mind like Jerry West.
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after Magic got the job, I think we all hoped that he'd hire subject matter experts - Rosenfeld certainly seems to fit the bill. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | You have no idea what an analytics person does. Those teams have some of the best players in the game because they graded out well using analytics, others teams passed while they saw the value of those players. |
right, like when Durant could not get any offers, but GSW's analytics guy informed the FO that he graded out well.....or when Cleveland's analytics guys realized the reason they were losing in 2010/2011 was because Lebron was in Miami....and he also graded out well...
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| Great pickup, from what I understand he is one of the most talented in the field of basketball analytics. |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | This is a quality hire. Kudos. |
His thesis at Harvard: | Quote: | | Wrote senior thesis (advisor Carl Morris, Harvard Professor of Statistics) on “An In-game Win Probability Model for the NBA" |
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Don't need to go to Harvard to know in NBA team With the best player/players now that we have super teams usually has a higher probability of winning. |
Do you mean teams like OKC, Golden State, San Antonio and Houston?
All four are well known for being involved with Analytics. |
lol. does it matter when you have pretty much the most of the best players in the nba? NO. we know analytics is a necessary thing. But we always have this discussion. We're all waiting to see it work for teams with lesser talent. Until then, it will not be this "oh my...we finally got an analytics guy." as if thats the reason why we've been so bad these last few years.
You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
Analytics isn't some magic potion that you sprinkle on Hakeem Thasbeet and turn him into Lebron James.
It's simply a method of analyzing data to gain insights that aren't obvious or confirm insights you already had.
It can be a useful aid in deciding which players to draft; what combinations of players to use; and how to maximize a player's skill.
Analytics is more often about making subtle changes that provide a small but meaningful benefit rather than some all-knowing oracle that you can attribute all your success to. I know that NBA analytics guys sometimes talk about it that way, but they're just BSing for fans who don't know much about analytics.
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| activeverb wrote: | | Analytics isn't some magic potion that you sprinkle on Hakeem Thasbeet and turn him into Lebron James. |
it should be the potion that you sprinkle on Hakeem Thabeet that tells you not to draft him.....or maybe I am thinking of the "magic potion" the Memphis FO must have been snorting when they actually drafted Hakeem Thabeet... |
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Bard207
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | This is a quality hire. Kudos. |
His thesis at Harvard: | Quote: | | Wrote senior thesis (advisor Carl Morris, Harvard Professor of Statistics) on “An In-game Win Probability Model for the NBA" |
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Don't need to go to Harvard to know in NBA team With the best player/players now that we have super teams usually has a higher probability of winning. |
Do you mean teams like OKC, Golden State, San Antonio and Houston?
All four are well known for being involved with Analytics. |
lol. does it matter when you have pretty much the most of the best players in the nba? NO. we know analytics is a necessary thing. But we always have this discussion. We're all waiting to see it work for teams with lesser talent. Until then, it will not be this "oh my...we finally got an analytics guy." as if thats the reason why we've been so bad these last few years.
You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
You are positioning Analytics as being solely focused for coaching decisions and then attacking that. What is the basis for the belief that Analytics is used solely for coaching decisions?
Golden State has won previously without Durant, so I will focus on the core three of Curry, Thompson and Green.
Curry -- #7 (2009)
Klay -- #11 (2011)
Green -- #35 (2012)
No top five picks and some other input beyond Analytics, but it appears that they drafted quite well. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Analytics isn't some magic potion that you sprinkle on Hakeem Thasbeet and turn him into Lebron James. |
it should be the potion that you sprinkle on Hakeem Thabeet that tells you not to draft him.....or maybe I am thinking of the "magic potion" the Memphis FO must have been snorting when they actually drafted Hakeem Thabeet... |
That's closer to it: Analytics can provide insights that guide you on which guys to trade. But, again, it's not an absolute predictor of success. And I think that's part of the confusion: Some fans seem to think that analytics provide irrefutable answers and eliminate all bad decisions, when they really just provide guidance that can help you make better decisions overall. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | This is a quality hire. Kudos. |
His thesis at Harvard: | Quote: | | Wrote senior thesis (advisor Carl Morris, Harvard Professor of Statistics) on “An In-game Win Probability Model for the NBA" |
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Don't need to go to Harvard to know in NBA team With the best player/players now that we have super teams usually has a higher probability of winning. |
Do you mean teams like OKC, Golden State, San Antonio and Houston?
All four are well known for being involved with Analytics. |
lol. does it matter when you have pretty much the most of the best players in the nba? NO. we know analytics is a necessary thing. But we always have this discussion. We're all waiting to see it work for teams with lesser talent. Until then, it will not be this "oh my...we finally got an analytics guy." as if thats the reason why we've been so bad these last few years.
You give me curry, green, durant, and klay. and You can have any analytics guru in the world. lets see who wins. and by the way your team has to be a bunch of borderline all stars only |
You are positioning Analytics as being solely focused for coaching decisions and then attacking that. What is the basis for the belief that Analytics is used solely for coaching decisions?
Golden State has won previously without Durant, so I will focus on the core three of Curry, Thompson and Green.
Curry -- #7 (2009)
Klay -- #11 (2011)
Green -- #35 (2012)
No top five picks and some other input beyond Analytics, but it appears that they drafted quite well. |
probably should include Barnes in there if we are looking at pre Durant draft activity that lead to that title
Barnes -- #7 (2012) |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: |
Golden State has won previously without Durant, so I will focus on the core three of Curry, Thompson and Green.
Curry -- #7 (2009)
Klay -- #11 (2011)
Green -- #35 (2012)
No top five picks and some other input beyond Analytics, but it appears that they drafted quite well. |
probably should include Barnes in there if we are looking at pre Durant draft activity that lead to that title
Barnes -- #7 (2012) |
Good point. |
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