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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Yup heavy minutes and tough matchups throughout early part of his career. That's why the contract he received would only have made sense were it a farewell one from the Bulls.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject:

AC Green's V-Card wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


To be fair, total mileage still doesn't really compare to guys like Kobe and LeBron. But maybe that's unfair to expect anyone to have the durability of those guys, who hardly declined into their 30s (well, at least until Kobe tore his Achilles).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:06 pm    Post subject:

He's a vet he doesn't need to prove himself. Should get the year off honestly.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:32 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
AC Green's V-Card wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


To be fair, total mileage still doesn't really compare to guys like Kobe and LeBron. But maybe that's unfair to expect anyone to have the durability of those guys, who hardly declined into their 30s (well, at least until Kobe tore his Achilles).


Survivorship bias.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:43 am    Post subject:

AC Green's V-Card wrote:
tox wrote:
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CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


To be fair, total mileage still doesn't really compare to guys like Kobe and LeBron. But maybe that's unfair to expect anyone to have the durability of those guys, who hardly declined into their 30s (well, at least until Kobe tore his Achilles).


Survivorship bias.

Availability heuristic while we're at it
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject:

AC Green's V-Card wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


He played fine in the 2 years in Miami after leaving the Bulls, so I don't know that the minutes he played in the three preceding seasons were that big an issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject:

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Survivorship bias.


geez, was you on a sabbatical....it's been a while
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Well, he is from the Sudan. There might have been some funny business with his paper work. LOL!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


He had success the year before playing PF on the a slow-paced Heat team. He wasn't successful for us playing SF on a fast-paced team. We were a bad fit for him, and probably still are.

He poses a bad problem for Luke. The Lakers would like to play him and let him show something, so the cost of moving his contract is lowered a bit, but there is a huge log jam at SF -- Randle, Kuzma, and Nance
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject:

AC Green's V-Card wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


Agreed, but man he had a lot of time last season to rest and recuperate. He has looked good so far this pre-season, his 3 point stroke looks good!
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activeverb wrote:
AC Green's V-Card wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Truck Turner wrote:
Deng is just old and broken down.

He's a skilled player, but his body can't handle the NBA grind anymore.


I find it really weird that he has declined so much physically at 32. Most players are past their prime at 32 but not completely washed up.


Blame Thibs for putting the mileage on his engine.

Deng's NBA ranking in MPG after Thibs was hired:

2010-11 - 4th (39.1)
2011-12 - 1st (39.4)
2012-13 - 1st (38.7)

Deng was traded to the Cavaliers in 13-14 after 23 games in Chicago. He averaged 37.4 MPG with the Bulls which would've been good for 8th most in the NBA had he finished the year there. Guy was treated like a gardener's pickup truck, and Jim/Mitch paid him like he was brand new off the dealership lot.


He played fine in the 2 years in Miami after leaving the Bulls, so I don't know that the minutes he played in the three preceding seasons were that big an issue.


Deng had a clear drop-off after leaving Chicago (just look at the numbers). And based on what we saw from him last year, those minutes have worn on his knees/body. Guy doesn't have much bounce or spring in his step.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject:

AutumnWind wrote:
He's a vet he doesn't need to prove himself. Should get the year off honestly.


Yep.. He's an amazing vet who has nothing left to prove. He deserves the next 3 years off. And I wish other NBA teams could share in this appreciation.
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