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 Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:19 am Post subject: Bench +8 | Starters -14 ..... (Rotation so Unbalanced) |
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Update: Tonight
Based on what Luke's been saying, the starting line up will be:
Ball
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
The only real scorers on this team are basically Lopez and to a more unproven effect, Ingram, though very inconsistent. KCP and Nance (or Deng) are there for defense, and Ball doesn't really like to score as much as he wants to feed everyone else as the facilitator.
Then you have the bench:
Ennis
Clarkson
Kuzma
Randle
Zubac
The bench has got 3 legit go to scorers in JC, Randle, and Kuz. And aside from Zublocka, no one is really known for their defense.
Starters seem more built on defense, while the bench will be built on more scoring, but shouldn't we get a balance for both the starters and bench? Maybe swap a scorer from the bench to the starters, and a defender from the starters to the bench? Otherwise the starters will always have issues scoring and the bench will always have issues defending. It's almost one extreme over the other.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Bench = too much Scorers? / Starters = too much Defenders? |
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| Nashlight wrote: | Based on what Luke's been saying, the starting line up will be:
Ball
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
The only real scorers on this team are basically Lopez and to a more unproven effect, Ingram, though very inconsistent. KCP and Nance (or Deng) are there for defense, and Ball doesn't really like to score as much as he wants to feed everyone else as the facilitator.
Then you have the bench:
Ennis
Clarkson
Kuzma
Randle
Zubac
The bench has got 3 legit go to scorers in JC, Randle, and Kuz. And aside from Zublocka, no one is really known for their defense.
Starters seem more built on defense, while the bench will be built on more scoring, but shouldn't we get a balance for both the starters and bench? Maybe swap a scorer from the bench to the starters, and a defender from the starters to the bench? Otherwise the starters will always have issues scoring and the bench will always have issues defending. It's almost one extreme over the other. |
Yes that would be logical and obvious. I'm sure Luke will have to make a change 20 games in after they play terrible. I don't know why he doesn't just create a decent lineup now before the bad start they're going to have. It's like he's out to sabotage the Lakers with his ill fitting lineups. Not looking forward to this season. |
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| I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Bench = too much Scorers? / Starters = too much Defenders? |
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| Nashlight wrote: | Based on what Luke's been saying, the starting line up will be:
Ball
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
The only real scorers on this team are basically Lopez and to a more unproven effect, Ingram, though very inconsistent. KCP and Nance (or Deng) are there for defense, and Ball doesn't really like to score as much as he wants to feed everyone else as the facilitator.
Then you have the bench:
Ennis
Clarkson
Kuzma
Randle
Zubac
The bench has got 3 legit go to scorers in JC, Randle, and Kuz. And aside from Zublocka, no one is really known for their defense.
Starters seem more built on defense, while the bench will be built on more scoring, but shouldn't we get a balance for both the starters and bench? Maybe swap a scorer from the bench to the starters, and a defender from the starters to the bench? Otherwise the starters will always have issues scoring and the bench will always have issues defending. It's almost one extreme over the other. |
kuzma is a pretty darn good man defender as long as the guy he's guarding isnt super strong/big and knows how to throw his weight around. same for randle. randle and kuzma have quick lateral movement for guys their height. so they can cut off a regular drive by another faceup PF. Can kuuz hang with quick SF's? I dont know.
But I still get your point.
As of right now. My starting Lineup would have to be
pg- ball
Sg-KCP
SF-Kuz
PF-Randle
C- Lopez
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Bench
pg- Ennis/Caruso
Sg- JC
Sf- BI
PF-Larry
C-ZuBlocka
The problem with the bench is that only JC can be seen as a real scorers scorer. BI is aggressive like a scorer but his skills have not caught up with his mentally..>YET.
Here's the thing on Larry nance jr. he can't start because he's too passive on offense. Its not that he can't score more. its that he wont. You cant have him and Ball in the game together not taking open looks passing it off to others. unless the other 3 are PG13, LBJ and some other stud scorer.
only one super passive guy per Team(starters/bench) Otherwise you will easily run into offensive issues.
The reason you have no choice but to start randle is because he's far and away our best rebounder. Lopez has never been known as a boards big.
BI doesnt rebound nearly enough(he should with his length) to compensate for Randle's absence in the starting lineup. So even if we play great defense. we will not finish that task by getting the board. we will allow a ton of offensive boards, you watch. |
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| al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait. |
Laker fans are fickle, you thought we were quick to turn on Ingram after 2 preseason games, if Luke continues his nonsense, this will be his last year as the Lakers head coach. Heck, if he makes it to next year, he will be our longest tenured coach since Phil. |
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In the preseason that rotation has worked, if it does in the regular season I won’t complain. We know that in crunch time Randle will be on the floor and that matters much more than who starts.
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| al242 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait. |
Laker fans are fickle, you thought we were quick to turn on Ingram after 2 preseason games, if Luke continues his nonsense, this will be his last year as the Lakers head coach. Heck, if he makes it to next year, he will be our longest tenured coach since Phil. |
I think if they have a terrible year, get no FA, and have another terrible year next year. Then they will be forced to make a change. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | In the preseason that rotation has worked, if it does in the regular season I won’t complain. We know that in crunch time Randle will be on the floor and that matters much more than who starts. |
We must have watched a different game, we were horrendous in the preseason. Outside of the Knicks/Kings we looked like the worst team in the league. |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait. |
Laker fans are fickle, you thought we were quick to turn on Ingram after 2 preseason games, if Luke continues his nonsense, this will be his last year as the Lakers head coach. Heck, if he makes it to next year, he will be our longest tenured coach since Phil. |
I think if they have a terrible year, get no FA, and have another terrible year next year. Then they will be forced to make a change. |
The problem is that the change should be in the FO. Luke has been given crap to work with.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Our bench scorers too much. Split em up. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Bench = too much Scorers? / Starters = too much Defenders? |
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| Nashlight wrote: | Based on what Luke's been saying, the starting line up will be:
Ball
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
The only real scorers on this team are basically Lopez and to a more unproven effect, Ingram, though very inconsistent. KCP and Nance (or Deng) are there for defense, and Ball doesn't really like to score as much as he wants to feed everyone else as the facilitator.
Then you have the bench:
Ennis
Clarkson
Kuzma
Randle
Zubac
The bench has got 3 legit go to scorers in JC, Randle, and Kuz. And aside from Zublocka, no one is really known for their defense.
Starters seem more built on defense, while the bench will be built on more scoring, but shouldn't we get a balance for both the starters and bench? Maybe swap a scorer from the bench to the starters, and a defender from the starters to the bench? Otherwise the starters will always have issues scoring and the bench will always have issues defending. It's almost one extreme over the other. |
I wouldn't consider Randle a "go to" scorer. Kuz ... we'll see what he is when the games get real. (I'd say the only player we have on the roster close to a proven go-to scorer is Lopez.)
There are so many questions about so many players, I wouldn't worry about who starts and who subs. I think there are going to be lots of changes throughout the season. |
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i don't see any reason Nance should get significant minutes. dude hasn't improved one iota since coming into the league and is a net negative on the court
my preference would be
Starters
Ball/KCP/Ingram/Kuzma/Lopez
Bench
Caruso/Clarkson/Brewer/Deng/Randle
3rd String
Ennis/Hart/Deng/Nance/Zubac
Final 2 minutes
Ball/KCP/Ingram/Kuzma/Randle
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Start the KUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZ !!!
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| it'd be Ball, KCP, Kuzma, Randle, Lopez for me. But Luke ain't going with that so why bother |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait. |
Laker fans are fickle, you thought we were quick to turn on Ingram after 2 preseason games, if Luke continues his nonsense, this will be his last year as the Lakers head coach. Heck, if he makes it to next year, he will be our longest tenured coach since Phil. |
I think if they have a terrible year, get no FA, and have another terrible year next year. Then they will be forced to make a change. |
The problem is that the change should be in the FO. Luke has been given crap to work with. |
Luke hasn't done anything to elevate the team. In fact he's done the opposite. Even if they got him better players I doubt he could do anything with them. If they have a terrible year I don't see any FA wanting to come to play for Luke. |
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| These kids better develop their 2-way capabilities before summer comes and FO doing their FA picks |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | I really question what Larry Nance brings to the starting lineup.....he is marginally a better rim protector than Randle, but Randle smokes him when it comes to perimeter defense. Randle is also a much better offensive threat, Luke is trying to get canned, its the only thing I can think of. |
Apparently not getting in Lopez’s way is a positive trait. |
Laker fans are fickle, you thought we were quick to turn on Ingram after 2 preseason games, if Luke continues his nonsense, this will be his last year as the Lakers head coach. Heck, if he makes it to next year, he will be our longest tenured coach since Phil. |
I think if they have a terrible year, get no FA, and have another terrible year next year. Then they will be forced to make a change. |
The problem is that the change should be in the FO. Luke has been given crap to work with. |
Luke hasn't done anything to elevate the team. In fact he's done the opposite. Even if they got him better players I doubt he could do anything with them. If they have a terrible year I don't see any FA wanting to come to play for Luke. |
I don’t see any FA wanting to come play with a lottery bound, dysfunctional organization. There are star players who will give Luke a thumbs up if FAs ask.
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some are underestimating Luke I think...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Bench = too much Scorers? / Starters = too much Defenders? |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Nashlight wrote: | Based on what Luke's been saying, the starting line up will be:
Ball
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
The only real scorers on this team are basically Lopez and to a more unproven effect, Ingram, though very inconsistent. KCP and Nance (or Deng) are there for defense, and Ball doesn't really like to score as much as he wants to feed everyone else as the facilitator.
Then you have the bench:
Ennis
Clarkson
Kuzma
Randle
Zubac
The bench has got 3 legit go to scorers in JC, Randle, and Kuz. And aside from Zublocka, no one is really known for their defense.
Starters seem more built on defense, while the bench will be built on more scoring, but shouldn't we get a balance for both the starters and bench? Maybe swap a scorer from the bench to the starters, and a defender from the starters to the bench? Otherwise the starters will always have issues scoring and the bench will always have issues defending. It's almost one extreme over the other. |
kuzma is a pretty darn good man defender as long as the guy he's guarding isnt super strong/big and knows how to throw his weight around. same for randle. randle and kuzma have quick lateral movement for guys their height. so they can cut off a regular drive by another faceup PF. Can kuuz hang with quick SF's? I dont know.
But I still get your point.
As of right now. My starting Lineup would have to be
pg- ball
Sg-KCP
SF-Kuz
PF-Randle
C- Lopez
---
Bench
pg- Ennis/Caruso
Sg- JC
Sf- BI
PF-Larry
C-ZuBlocka
The problem with the bench is that only JC can be seen as a real scorers scorer. BI is aggressive like a scorer but his skills have not caught up with his mentally..>YET.
Here's the thing on Larry nance jr. he can't start because he's too passive on offense. Its not that he can't score more. its that he wont. You cant have him and Ball in the game together not taking open looks passing it off to others. unless the other 3 are PG13, LBJ and some other stud scorer.
only one super passive guy per Team(starters/bench) Otherwise you will easily run into offensive issues.
The reason you have no choice but to start randle is because he's far and away our best rebounder. Lopez has never been known as a boards big.
BI doesnt rebound nearly enough(he should with his length) to compensate for Randle's absence in the starting lineup. So even if we play great defense. we will not finish that task by getting the board. we will allow a ton of offensive boards, you watch. |
Like your breakdown... 
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Start Kuzma. Problem solved
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | i don't see any reason Nance should get significant minutes. dude hasn't improved one iota since coming into the league and is a net negative on the court |
I don't think that's fair. In Nance's first two years, he's only played 2,600 minutes -- which is not far off the minutes Randle got in his first full season. |
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| No such thing as too many defense. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | No such thing as too many defense. |
Except we don’t have any good defenders on the entire team, everyone is considered average at best. That’s why it’s puzzling because we could definitely use the offense. |
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If those are the line ups, I'm afraid he will make the same mistake as last year: two units playing two different systems and hockey subs all the time.
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