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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:10 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | blackmamba08 wrote: | 1st unit: Lonzo/KCP/Ingram/Kuzma/Lopez
2nd unit:JC/Hart/Brewer/Randle/Bogut
Walton need to use these ten players.
JC Randle and Kuzma cannot be on the court at the same time ever.
Lonzo need to play with Kuzma and Lopez to have shooting abilities.
Hart Brewer and Bogut for defensive purpose in 2nd unit with JC and Randle scoring. |
JC, Randle and Kuzma almost won the game last night, what are you talking about? |
best lineup we have put on the court in these 3 games includes....JC Randle and Kuzma |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:40 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | I hate the JC, Randle, Kuzma line-up. Kuzma is wasted just doing nothing but setting screens for JC and Randle to shoot.
Billy Mac even commented on live TV when the crowd started booing 9 mins in the 2nd quarter that Kuzma hasn't even touched the ball. |
your referencing the most successful lineup that we have used this season?
http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/lineups-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1 |
1) Yet those 3 together are also part of the 2nd worst line-ups on that same list at -9. And more combinations of those 3 are on the losing rows with two -8's as well.
2) "Games Played = 1". We'll get a better understanding with what this trio looks like 10 games in from now. _________________ |
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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | OP should change the thread title to say that Starters can't defend either.
Luke likes to run plays to get Ingram going in the 1st quarter, but if Ingram can't get it going, Lakers will start off slow and have to play catch up for the rest of the game. And it has been the bench that does all the catching up. |
Not implying starters can defend but that Luke's logic behind his starters are that it's more defense oriented considering he had KCP, Brewer, Nance, and Deng all starting. While he left the bench with most of the firepower in JC, Randle, Kuzma.
Agree on the second sentence. Laker's half court offense is always looking to get Ingram started off early.
Lakers 1st quarter offense:
1) Ball brings the ball up
2) Ball hands it off to Nance/Lopez at the 3-pt line
3) Nance/Lopez holds the ball and waits for Ingram to curl around and get it, or they pass it to him down on the elbow
4) Ingram becomes the scoring play maker, he'll either take a shot or facilitate while everyone else either steps back or starts setting screens for Ingram _________________ Tacos |
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textbook Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Luke's going to go with:
Lonzo
KCP
Ingram
Nance
Lopez
Clarkson first off the bench with Randle.
Lonzo
Clarkson
Ingram
Nance
Randle
Then to close out first.
Clarkson
Hart
Kuzma
Randle
Bogut |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Its tough cos Kuzma played well with JC and Randle but i also feel like Kuzma plays best with Lonzo.
I think JC should be point though, that way Hart can be on 2nd unit and we can avoid Ennis.
I like a 2nd unit thats D focused - aside from Clarkson, though he's been playing hard so far.
Zo / Clarkson
KCP / Hart
Ingram / Brewer
Nance / Kuzma
Lopez / Randle
Play Bogut when you need him. _________________ 24 |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | I hate the JC, Randle, Kuzma line-up. Kuzma is wasted just doing nothing but setting screens for JC and Randle to shoot.
Billy Mac even commented on live TV when the crowd started booing 9 mins in the 2nd quarter that Kuzma hasn't even touched the ball. |
your referencing the most successful lineup that we have used this season?
http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/lineups-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1 |
1) Yet those 3 together are also part of the 2nd worst line-ups on that same list at -9. And more combinations of those 3 are on the losing rows with two -8's as well.
2) "Games Played = 1". We'll get a better understanding with what this trio looks like 10 games in from now. |
sure, more games is more data which should be more accurate |
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scoobs Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think Luke should go with the following rotation as of right now:
PF-Nance 18 Kuzma 26
SF-Ingram 34 Caldwelll-Pope 14
C-Lopez 30 Bogut 12 Nance 6
PG-Ball 34 Clarkson 14
SG-Caldwell-Pope 16 Clarkson 12 Hart 20
Give Hart 20 mpg consistently off the bench and i feel that good things will happen. The coach will be forced to start playing him 25-30 before you know it. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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scoobs wrote: | I think Luke should go with the following rotation as of right now:
PF-Nance 18 Kuzma 26
SF-Ingram 34 Caldwelll-Pope 14
C-Lopez 30 Bogut 12 Nance 6
PG-Ball 34 Clarkson 14
SG-Caldwell-Pope 16 Clarkson 12 Hart 20
Give Hart 20 mpg consistently off the bench and i feel that good things will happen. The coach will be forced to start playing him 25-30 before you know it. |
Has Randle been traded? 🙄 |
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Day Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ball / JC
Russel / JC
Kuzma / BI
Nance / Randle
Lopez / Zu / Bog
sure would have been nice =) |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Luke has no idea what to do with his rotations. They've been bad since he started last season. He's trying to get too cute with his bench that it (bleep) up the starting lineup. |
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scoobs Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | scoobs wrote: | I think Luke should go with the following rotation as of right now:
PF-Nance 18 Kuzma 26
SF-Ingram 34 Caldwelll-Pope 14
C-Lopez 30 Bogut 12 Nance 6
PG-Ball 34 Clarkson 14
SG-Caldwell-Pope 16 Clarkson 12 Hart 20
Give Hart 20 mpg consistently off the bench and i feel that good things will happen. The coach will be forced to start playing him 25-30 before you know it. |
Has Randle been traded? 🙄 | Actually, I take that back. Kuzma should obviously be inserted in the starting line up. This way, Ball is surrounded by 4 players that could shoot the ball well, with Ingram probably being the weakest link there. Plus, Kuzma obviously has great chemistry with Ball, so if the goal is to win then that should be the line up. Yeah, i completely removed Randle, but you could make the case for leaving him in to increase his trade value. I feel the Lakers should trade Randle and Clarkson soon, so we could play the best line up possible and maximize wins. Lets say we simply dump Randle and Clarkson. The line up could look like thei:
PF-Kuzma 34mpg Nance 14mpg
SG-Ingram 34 mpg Caldwell-Pope 14mpg
C-Lopez 30mpg, Bogut 12mpg, Nance 6mpg
PG-Ball 34mpg , Caruso 14mpg
SG-Caldwell-Pope 18mpg Hart 30mpg
Caruso could also be replaced in the line up by Innis or Brwer, with Ingram sliding to pg if its Brewer. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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scoobs wrote: | I think Luke should go with the following rotation as of right now:
PF-Nance 18 Kuzma 26
SF-Ingram 34 Caldwelll-Pope 14
C-Lopez 30 Bogut 12 Nance 6
PG-Ball 34 Clarkson 14
SG-Caldwell-Pope 16 Clarkson 12 Hart 20
Give Hart 20 mpg consistently off the bench and i feel that good things will happen. The coach will be forced to start playing him 25-30 before you know it. |
Nance should never play center _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think it should be:
Zoey
KCP
Kooz
Julius
Lopez
JC
Hart
Ingram
Nance
And that's it. Maybe through Bogut in there if the situation really calls for it every now and then. I want us playing more small-ball. _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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Roon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | scoobs wrote: | I think Luke should go with the following rotation as of right now:
PF-Nance 18 Kuzma 26
SF-Ingram 34 Caldwelll-Pope 14
C-Lopez 30 Bogut 12 Nance 6
PG-Ball 34 Clarkson 14
SG-Caldwell-Pope 16 Clarkson 12 Hart 20
Give Hart 20 mpg consistently off the bench and i feel that good things will happen. The coach will be forced to start playing him 25-30 before you know it. |
Nance should never play center |
Nance has been playing well as a starter, I hope he can keep this activity up.
He should never be center. |
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Roon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | I think it should be:
Zoey
KCP
Kooz
Julius
Lopez
JC
Hart
Ingram
Nance
And that's it. Maybe through Bogut in there if the situation really calls for it every now and then. I want us playing more small-ball. |
I like this. I don't mind the occasional Brewer "spark-plug" idea. If Hart can play that defense instead than keep him playing. |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Oops - *throw. And yeah I could be okay with Brewer instead of Hart if the situation calls for it as well.
Mainly I just want more small-ball and a better starting lineup. _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Tonight:
Bench +8 | Starters -14 _________________ Tacos |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lol. Because the clippers play their starters the entire game?
Did you see how bad the clippers bench is? |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Our starters suck. Bench will kill them 5-on-5. _________________ |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | Our starters suck. Bench will kill them 5-on-5. |
Lol |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Our starters suck. Bench will kill them 5-on-5. |
Lol |
true story fam _________________ |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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9 man rotation
Give Hart or Brewer 7-10 minutes
Kuzma can backup BI at SF
More PT for our starters plus JC, Kuz and Randle _________________ 24 |
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ShowtimeReturns Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | epak wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Our starters suck. Bench will kill them 5-on-5. |
Lol |
true story fam |
Unbelievable the second unit is better than the starting 5 Been following basketball a long time Can't remember ever seeing anything like this at the NBA level |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 am Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | I think it should be:
Zoey
KCP
Kooz
Julius
Lopez
JC
Hart
Ingram
Nance
And that's it. Maybe through Bogut in there if the situation really calls for it every now and then. I want us playing more small-ball. |
I kinda like this line-up too; Lopez spacing the floor opens up the lane for Julius. Kuz needs to start w/ ball because he is a true shooter. BI could play some 2 & 3 w/ first unit. |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:06 am Post subject: |
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C:
26 Lopez
22 Randle
PF:
24 Nance
6 Randle
18 Kuzma
SF:
34 Ingram
12 Kuzma
2 Hart/Brewer
SG:
32 KCP
11 Clarkson
5 Hart/Brewer
PG:
33 Ball
15 Clarkson
Ball - 33
Ingram - 34
KCP - 32
Kuzma - 30
Randle - 28
Clarkson - 26
Nance - 24
Lopez - 26
Brewer/Hart - 7 _________________ 24 |
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