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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject: CLIPPERS -at- LAKERS – 10-19-17 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Opening Night… The Lakers looked like they pulled some random clothing out of the luggage and slipped it on – mismatching pieces, improper fits and a lot of wrinkles to iron out. It was ugly.

You should expect a tough start for this team with as little collective experience as they have together, but they trailed by as many as 30 points to the Clippers. With all the new pieces, we saw multiple lineups that were playing their first game together.

Late in the third, the crowd began to turn on them. Not the debut to the season the front office wanted.

“I wasn’t happy with what we gave our fans tonight…there were some boo’s going on that we deserved at those times,” Luke said. “So, I wasn’t pleased about that. But a lot of time of the game there was effort thrown out there. It’s just we’re a youthful team. There are going to be stretches like that.”

“Basically, it’s a pickup game with guys you don’t know,” Chris Webber said of the Lakers as they trailed by 30 in the fourth quarter. That seemed to sum it up, but the starting lineup without KCP sure didn’t look like it fit. Deng, Ingram and Nance aren’t the shooters you want around Lonzo Ball. Throw into a cold Brook Lopez and now you’re really in trouble.

That’s what happened as the Lakers got blown out, eventually losing 108-92.


Ball -- -- First off you can see the skills that will translate. The first few seconds of a possession, he’s an elite passer and the Lakers will be very dangerous in those situations. The hit-aheads and long feeds when anyone had a step on their man were a regular occasion. You run the floor, it will pay off. (Of course, we don’t run Kuzma and Ball together. Can’t have that, I guess.) The second part of his game that was obvious was the rebounding with his size. Grabbing boards away from bigs and able to turn it up court will be a huge advantage. He stepped on a foot during the game, but that didn’t slow him down much. Luke kept him out for the garbage time, however. We’re certainly doing him no favors right now with the lack of shooters in the starting lineup. I’m not going to worry much about Ball’s scoring right now. He’s more interested in getting others going the first several games with a team it seems, so I expect that will be a little slow. We’ll see. “I think he was out there feeling it out,” Luke said. “A couple times out there when the game sped up and he was able to come off drags we saw some of the things he’s going to be capable of doing.” Defensively, he had some nice help challenges and was very attentive off ball. “If our offensive is not going, our defense has to carry us,” Lonzo said. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-6 shooting (1-3 from three, 0-2 from the line) to go with 9 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 1 foul in 29 minutes. He was a -14. The Action: He found Ingram on the hit ahead for FTs. He missed a floater in the paint. He drew two fouls against Beverley’s pressure D (that sat Beverley midway through the quarter, but looks like they changed the foul), he missed both FTs. His long outlet to Lopez drew a clear-path foul. He blocked Griffin from behind. He missed a wing three. High speed push out and he missed the layup. He sank a wing three off the two-man sequence with Lopez for his first FG. He was picked by Beverley for a layup the other way on the next possession. He hit Lopez in the lane for the one-hander, his first assist of the game. He had 3 points, 8 boards and 1 assist. Second Half: He worked the sideline screen-roll with Nance and hit him for the dunk. His advance pass was picked off. He missed a drive but Nance cleaned up the dribble-penetration. He attacked the paint and bounced to Lopez for the dunk. He missed a wing three. He scooped up a loose ball, pushed it out and hit Deng for the layup.

Lopez -- -- This was an extremely ugly 20 points. He had 7 points on 2-10 shooting in the first half, unable to hit from just about anywhere. He had some great looks at three’s throughout this game. If he can’t knock those down that starting lineup is woefully short on perimeter shooting. He started to get into the paint a little in the second half to help manufacture some points, but the game was pretty much over. He said they didn’t have sustained energy in this game, but thought the team will bounce back tomorrow. “I think it comes down to more of what we did than what they (Clippers) did,” he said afterward. The Stats: He scored 20 points on 7-19 shooting (1-5 from three, 5-5 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 29 minutes. He was a -1. The Action: He missed a turnaround in the paint. He missed a jumphook in the post. He missed a three trailing the break. He drew FTs on a clear-path foul off the long Lonzo outlet, he made both (good job running the floor). He sank the open corner three on the drive and kick from Ingram. He missed a wide open wing three. He came off a screen, took the pass and missed the pull-up at the FT line. He rejected Jordan under the hoop. He missed the wide open three on the pick and pop. He sank the 13-foot, one-hander off the Ball feed. He didn’t hit rim on a wing jumper in early offense. He had 7 points on 2-10 shooting. Second Half: Not close on a jumphook in the post. He swished the elbow floater. He attacked from the corner and hit the 15-footer across the lane. He curled into the lane, took the pass (probably got away with a travel) and powered in the layup. He missed a wing pull-up jumper. He missed a pull-up 16-footer. He dunked off the drive and dish from Lonzo. He missed an open wing three. He scored an And-1 on iso in the paint, he made the FT. He knocked a post entry pass loose. He drew FTs on a loose ball, he made both.

Ingram -- -- You were hoping the lightbulb went on for him at the end of the preseason and he wouldn’t force it. Nope. More of the same and the results were ugly early on. He’s got to let the game come to him, but is trying to do too much. It kills the team. Stubbornly, he said he’d take the same shots in the next game. He said he wants to shoot for the Most Improved Player award. He averaged 9.4 points and 4 boards last season. Forcing shots on iso won’t help his personal goals nor the team goals of winning. The pull-up jumpers off the dribble look like automatic misses. The drives into traffic look like automatic rejections and turnovers. He had a nice hesitation move off a handoff where he got to the rim for an And-1 layup, but everything else was just ugly, awful basketball. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 3-15 shooting (0-1 from three, 6-7 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 4 assists, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 31 minutes. He was a -2. The Action: He missed turnaround in early offense. Ball stop, iso and a turnover. He drew FTs on the advance pass from Lonzo, he made both. He attacked baseline with the shotclock low and missed the layup. He missed a wing pull-up jumper. He attacked and kicked to Lopez for three. He attacked a crowd in transition and was blocked. Awful pull-up for a forced 15-footer in transition, he missed, but was bailed out with an even worse foul, he made one FT. He posted up Beverley and hit the turnaround. He missed a pull-up from 17 feet. He took the feed from Ball in transition, attacked and fed Nance for the dunk (I think we’ll see a lot of this where Ingram makes the final assist on the break and Ball gets the hockey assist). He iso’d on Blake, spun and bricked. He had 5 points on 1-7 shooting. Second Half: He choked a layup off the Ball outlet. He iso’d out of a timeout and missed the pull-up jumper. Hesitation move off the handoff and he took it for the And-1 layup, he made the FT. He missed a pull-up wing jumper in transition, ugh. His layup was blocked. He took a pass in transition and hit Nance for the dunk. He attacked off the dribble and drew FTs on Lou, he made both. He swished a face-up baseline jumper. He missed pull-up on iso. He missed a wing three on a kickout.

Nance -- -- So this is the Nance that imposes his athleticism and effort on the game. This is the guy you see hustling for putback dunks, getting after defensive boards and mixing it up. Now…what happens the next night and the next one? He was one of the few guys who was able to impose himself on the Clippers. Offensively, a lot of dunks from him. His perimeter jumper was MIA. He’s got to knock down those 15-footers off the pick and pop when he’s wide open, but if it’s not dropping he showed in this one that he can still impact the game. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 7-11 shooting (0-2 from the line) to go with 12 boards (3 offensive), 1 block, 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 30 minutes. He was a +3. The Action: He missed a tough turnaround on our first possession. He crashed the glass to power slam back down a missed Lopez jumphook. He held Blake to a travel on iso in the post. He threw down the lob dunk from Clarkson on the break. He scored a layup off JC’s drive and dish shortly later. He couldn’t hold on to an interior feed on one end, then was bullied for a layup on the other. He dunked off the transition feed from Ball-to-Ingram. He had 8 points on 4-6 shooting and 7 boards. Second Half: He dunked off the two-man sequence with Ball on the sideline. He crashed the glass off the Lonzo drive and cleaned up the miss. He crashed the glass and kept a possession alive. He sealed off baseline and forced Blake into a turnover. He rejected a Jordan, but then threw it away in transition. Great screen but he couldn’t knock down the FT jumper. He dunked getting down court in transition. He barely hit rim on a baseline jumper. He was called for an offensive foul off ball as Beverley flopped. He was fouled on a dangerous challenge on a lob pass, he missed both FTs.

Deng -- -- For a vet, he made some frustrating plays (or non-plays) on both ends of the floor tonight. I’m not sure what he was doing in some of our sets. We could probably survive that fine, but I don’t think you can with Ingram stinking it up at the SG. That’s just an awful combo. Meanwhile, everyone and his mother is wondering why you don’t start Kuzma to play alongside Lonzo. Those two need minutes together. Just a couple of stints to start each half, then back to the bench for Deng. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 turnover and no fouls in 13 minutes. He was a -7. The Action: He couldn’t finish in the break. He was called for a travel filling the lane on the break. Late on the tag on the rotation and we gave up a layup. Second Half: He hit Lopez for the elbow floater. He took the feed from Ball in transition and scored the layup.

Randle -- -- He wasn’t ready to go, Luke said, so if you noticed a weird, brief sub of Brewer in for Randle, Luke pulled him out briefly to tell him that. I kind of agree with that assessment. He came out soft and paid the price (vicious dunk by Blake on him, too). “I think obviously he’s a little frustrated about the starting thing,” Luke said. Randle was a -25 in 18 minutes. Nance outplayed him tonight and looked like the starter. Julius seemed to snap out of it and started to bring his game, but the Lakers were thumped badly already. We’ll see how this plays out. Randle was outplaying Nance and felt he earned that starting job. Luke didn’t reward him and here we are. Hopefully, Randle learns and plays with a chip on his shoulder in the next one. That’s when he’s at his best usually, anyway. The Stats: He scored 9 pointson 4-8 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in 18 minutes. He was a -25. The Action: He followed dunked a missed finish by JC on the break. He missed an 18-footer but got it back. He bullied Gallinari for an easy layup. He was called for a charge on a drive. He stepped into an open wing three and missed (hip twist on the shot as usual). He had 4 points and 4 boards in 8 minutes, but was a team-low -16. Second Half: He iso’d and airballed in the lane. Nice attempt to reject a block from behind in transition D, but he was called for the foul. He scored an And-1 layup attacking in semi-transition, he missed the FT. No box out and he gave up a putback. He was picked trying to go behind his back in transition. Ennis hit him rolling for the And-1 layup, he made the FT. He rejected Rivers’ drive. He didn’t hit rim on a face-up wing jumper.

Kuzma -- -- Really wish he was taking Ingram’s minutes right now…but Deng? Man, Luke. Killing me. There’s just so little chemistry out there. We know Lonzo and Kuzma have that but they don’t see any time together to get that going. Hopefully, Kuzma can keep the confidence up and get it rolling again. This was kind of a feel out game for the rookies in their debut. He didn’t knock down any jumpers, but scratched out some points attacking the paint or cleaning up garbage. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 4-8 shooting (0-2 from three, 0-2 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 1 assist and 2 foul sin 19 minutes. He was a -17. The Action: He missed an 18-footer curling off a screen to take the pass, not an easy first attempt. He missed a wing three. He kicked to Clarkson for the deep three. He up-faked on the sideline on the break, attacked across the paint to his left and hit the runner. Way off on a step-back three in transition. Second Half: He attacked off the three line and drew FTs, he missed both. Nice D to smother a drive and force a miss. He missed a driving hook at the buzzer. He cleaned up a Randle brick with a jumphook. He scored a layup off the two-man game with Caruso. He crashed the glass and hit the putback.

Clarkson -- -- One of our more consistent scorers, JC saw some success getting into the midrange. He also sank a couple of threes. It’s basically semi-organized chaos out there, so he’s going to have some of those bonehead turnovers where things look really, over-the-top ugly. Really liked his couple of assists he had early in the game. Wish we would have seen more of that, but the team did need his scoring tonight. The Stats: He scored 18 points on 7-16 shooting (2-3 from three, 2-3 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and 3 turnovers in 23 minutes. He was a -11. The Action: He got middle off the brush screen and hit the pull-up jumper. He missed a short one attacking the paint. He scooped up a loose ball at midcourt and lobbed to Nance a few seconds later. He attacked baseline and hit Nance for the dunk, great passing. He was blocked on a dunk in transition but Randle cleaned it up. He missed a wing jumper off a screen. He sank a pull-up 16-footer working off the Bogut screen. He threw a pass away on the break. He iso’d and threw it away at the end of the quarter. He worked off the Kuzma screen and scooped in a layup. He sank a deep three off the kickout from Kuzma. Undercut on the wing jumper miss with no call. His lob finish was blocked. He swished the wing pull-up off the Lopez screen. He had 11 points on 5-12 shooting. Second Half: He bricked a tech FT. He iso’d and hit the turnaround in the post. He choked a layup in transition. He attacked baseline and drew FTs, he made both. He was picked trying to iso as the ball stopped in his hands and the D loaded up on him. He sank a wing three off the swing pass. He missed a pull-up jumper. He missed a three trailing the break.

Bogut -- -- Some really good moments defensively. He was anchoring the paint well and disrupting shots. You definitely have a sense of stability with his D back there. Offensively, it seemed like we were winging it without much chemistry out there. He’s a good passer, who didn’t show it because of that. The 2 blocks and 3 turnovers kind of sum up his game. He’s only played this game for us. You wish we still had a preseason game or two to work out the issues, but we’ll be ugly until we get more games under out belt. The Stats: He didn’t shoot or score, had 2 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 11 minutes. He was a -10. The Action: He rejected a bigman on a drive. His baseline bounce pass was picked off. Between-the-legs pass to JC off the screen for the jumper. He threw an outlet away. Second Half: Turnover on the over-pass in the paint.

Caruso -- – Getting those NBA minutes. Luke had him running the backup point. Like our other young guys, this felt like a feel out game for him in front of the home crowd. He just wanted to play steady ball and not do anything foolish. Hopefully, he’s got that out of his system and can step it up a little more. Quiet game with a couple of assists and knocking down a single jumper, his only shot attempt. Glad to see he’s got the backup job and think he’ll get better just getting games under his belt. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-1 shooting to go with 1 board, 2 assists, 1 turnover and no fouls in 12 minutes. He was a -10. The Action: He worked off the screen, tried to feed Bogut, who couldn’t handle it, turnover (Bogut wanted the lob). Second Half: He shoveled a pass to Randle in transition for an And-1 layup. He got middle and hit Kuzma with the bounce pass for the layup. He swished a pull-up wing jumper for his first bucket.

Brewer -- -- Feels like he’s the break-in-case-of-emergency player for us. If things are going south, Luke throws him out there to shake it up a little. With KCP out, we had some extra minutes, as well. The Stats: He scored 2 points 1-2 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 3 boards, 1 block and 2 turnovers in 16 minutes. He was a +0. The Action: In briefly for Randle. His layup was goaltended on the break. Second Half: He threw a pass away on a busted offensive sequence. Wild pass behind Randle on a probe, turnover. He missed a corner three.

Ennis -- -- He came in for garbage time in the fourth. The team had a little run while he was out there, but again, we were down 30, so it was kind of an empty run. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting to go with 2 boards, 3 assists and no fouls in 10 minutes. He was a +14. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He missed a wing pull-up. He attacked and fed Randle for the And-1 layup. He missed a pull-up wing jumper, poor balance. He attacked in transition and scored a layup.

Walton -- -- The Lakers trailed 11-4 after the first 4 minutes. Luke called a timeout. For whatever reason they were not running through their sets properly (vets especially). First three shot attempts were turnaround jumpers, followed by some isos… Down 4 when JC came in for Deng… Down 4 when Bogut came in with 4:30 left… 11-2 run and the Lakers tied it up 15-15, forcing a timeout… Kuzma and Randle in to go with Bogut, JC and Lonzo… Caruso in for Ball with 2 minutes left in the quarter, Lakers down 3… Poor close to the quarter, sloppy passing and some weak individual D… The Lakers trailed 27-19… Brewer in as we sat Randle after a very short stint… Now Randle back in for Brewer just a possession or two later… Timeout shortly later. Lakers just not clicking at all… Lopez, Randle, Kuzma, JC, Ball now in down 10… Down 9, Ingram in for JC. Big lineup again with Ingram at the 2 and Kuzma at the 3… Nance in for Randle with 6 minutes left. Looks like Lopez, Nance, Ingram, Brewer and Ball now… The Lakers were clunky but stayed within striking distance… The Lakers trailed 53-42 at the half. The Lakers had 10 turnovers and shot 3-10 from three… Bogut, Nance, Ingram, JC and Ball with 4:25 left, Lakers down 17… A minute later, Randle in for Nance… Brewer in for Ingram, who’s been awful… Randle, Kuzma, Brewer, JC, Caruso… The Lakers trailed 87-63 heading into the fourth… Lopez, Nance, Ingram, JC and Ennis with 9+ to go… Fourth quarter garbage time… A 10-0 Laker run to cut the lead to 20…
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject:

Thank you for bringing some common sense to the Lakers fanbase it is much appreciated.

Ingram is probably the worst halfcourt off the dribble player in the league and he needs to stop trying to create in this setting if the Lakers want o be anywhere near competetive. He's actually somewhat okay on the fastbreak so I don't mind him attacking there.

Deng was useless. No idea why Luke decided to start him.

Okay we don't want to start Kuzma I understand (even though he is the perfect fit for this team's needs). But like you said at least play him with Lonzo a bit more and get that pick and pop action going just for some rhythm on offense. Our offense looked clunky and selfish.

Randle again tried to create off the dribble, didn't make the extra pass, didn't play defense.

I actually thought Clarkson played okay. He has to rein it in a bit but he can at least catch and shoot 3's which we vitally need. Luke needs to coach him better though.

Overall I was very disappointed in Luke for a number of reasons. We made no adjustments on Blake Griffin. The clippers were running Blake Griffin iso's all game and still had more ball movement than we did!

I'm starting to think Luke has no control and does not have a defined direction for this team. Hopefully it was just a feeling out game and things will get better.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:20 pm    Post subject:

I didn't see the whole game, just the highlights so I may in the wrong for what I'm about to say.

I thought that Clarkson was straight up over dribbling and only looking for his own shot. He may have been scoring but he seems to be a black hole with the ball in his hands, kills the vibe on offense for the team. He keeps missing teammates wide open! I really hate Kuzma being out there with him. Clarkson needs to learn the value of passing then relocating.
In terms of everyone, I again saw poor perimeter defense and unnecessary switching.

BTW, thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo should of ended up with at least twice as many assists, but everytuime he set someone up for a good shot they missed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject:

The "energy" excuse is old and lame and needs to be SHUT DOWN GOING FORWARD!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Why would Luke start Deng & Nance Jr.. like Luke does know that we don't have our 1st round pick this year sooooo.. the tank should be long & gone.. thought Luke was smarter than this.. ugh!

Ingram the slump from pre-season continues.. love the confidence but man all of his moves are predictable & slow.. he can't play any worse.. only can get better..

The player I am most disappointed in is Julius Randle.. at one time during the 4th quarter, he was a -31.. like it is your 4th year in the league & Luke puts you in the game & promptly not only did Blake take his soul.. (Clippers really ran out to a decent lead and never looked back) then Luke took him out at the end of the 1st quarter because Julius wasn't ready?!? 4th year in the league, & you ain't ready to play opening game?!? Inexcusable! Julius is costing himself millions upon millions with garbage play like tonight..

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject:

The patience with Randle is virtually gone...I feel like a drug addict watching this guy...the highs and lows are just too much for me anymore...I'm ready for hoops rehab with this guy...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject:

Seems like we have a bipolar team. Guys like Lonzo, Kuz, etc who want to run, pass the ball and have team energy. Then guys like Ingram, Randle and Clarkson who are ball stoppers who can't shoot. At least Clarkson can get his own shot. We need guys who can do that. The other two - just black holes who will do more harm than good when the touch the ball.

Deng? Holy hell, cut and stretch him already. Dude looks like he is begging to get cut honestly. What a TERRIBLE way to waste our capspace in the MozDeng signings. SMDH
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:41 pm    Post subject:

TEEGUNN wrote:
Seems like we have a bipolar team. Guys like Lonzo, Kuz, etc who want to run, pass the ball and have team energy. Then guys like Ingram, Randle and Clarkson who are ball stoppers who can't shoot. At least Clarkson can get his own shot. We need guys who can do that. The other two - just black holes who will do more harm than good when the touch the ball.

Deng? Holy hell, cut and stretch him already. Dude looks like he is begging to get cut honestly. What a TERRIBLE way to waste our capspace in the MozDeng signings. SMDH


Yeah you hit the nail on the head. The guys overdribbling are killing the offensive flow
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:47 pm    Post subject:

I really don't know what people expected. Young soft team against proven veteran players like BG, Jordan, Beverly, Gallo and Lou. We cannot play against these team.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:55 pm    Post subject:

Expected performance from a bunch of young players with some veterans who have never played with one another.

Understand Luke is trying to give Deng some "run" to see if he still has any game left in him.

Next game against the Suns will be more revealing because of the competition and having one game under the belt.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:41 pm    Post subject:

Startrout wrote:
Lonzo should of ended up with at least twice as many assists, but everytuime he set someone up for a good shot they missed.


Or they passed the ball. Frustrating.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB. The game bazillions of fans have been waiting for, especially since Summer League. The dawn of the Lonzo Ball era. How many minutes did Kyle Kuzma and Lonzo Ball actually play together tonight? And we started Luol Deng. Add Lance and Tiny Dog for scoring punch. Hah. Not. The one silver lining is Nance played decent defense. We put a bunch of unfamiliar lineups on the floor and it showed.

Kyle Kuzma not only didn't get paired up with Lonzo Ball, not only were there no plays called for him, but even the players on the floor ignored him instead of thinking when they had the ball in their hands. Kuzma, the best scoring threat the Lakers have and the only scoring threat outside of Brook Lopez, had to score off scrapping for the ball, as it wasn't moving towards him. I really wonder what Luke Walton is thinking.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:47 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 am    Post subject:

The negatives have been covered, so I'll say that I did enjoy seeing Bogut out there (even though he was a bit sloppy offensively). I think Nance can learn a lot from him about how to impact the game without having a lot of perimeter skills.
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fiendishoc wrote:
The negatives have been covered, so I'll say that I did enjoy seeing Bogut out there (even though he was a bit sloppy offensively). I think Nance can learn a lot from him about how to impact the game without having a lot of perimeter skills.
As the commentators were sharing, this was a pickup game for the Lakers that were playing an older established team (Clippers).

Agree that Bogut can teach a great deal to Randle (if he wants to be a defensive presence) and Nance (as "fiendishoc" commented).

Lopez displayed how Luke's offense can work with a legitimate threat in the paint. With Bogut and Lopez (along with Zuboc), they will allow Luke to always have a big body on the court until either Nance or Randle can prove they will be a defensive force when they are playing small ball
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:32 am    Post subject:

Easy takeaways for me:

1. not worried about Lonzo.
2. JC was a needed scoring punch for us.
3. Ingram needs to settle down and fall in line behind Lonzo/Brook.
4. Deng needs to...never play again at any wing position.
5. Brook had so much more spacing and room to operate when on the Nets. Better coaching/scheme even when they had lesser talent than this Lakers team.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! It sure feels like nothing got accomplished during pre-season. Nagging injuries hasn't helped the chemistry. But still expected better. Webber was right, last night it looked like a pick-up game with strangers as teammates. Instead of playing with Ball, Kuzma gets to watch Clarkson "do his thing." Randle pouts and forgets how to play ball because he wasn't named a starter. One of our two-way contract guys, Caruso, is our back-up point. Ennis evidently isn't ready for that responsibility. Lonzo was predictably schooled by Beverley. Doesn't help that Zo is on the court with teammates who negate the style of play he thrives in. What a hot mess.

Well, from this low point things can only get better. Right? Right??!?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:30 am    Post subject:

What I saw was garbage. How can a team not be ready to play. Falls directly on the coaching staff, IMO.
Luke needs a system that takes advantage to the talent he has, not some Golden State pipe dream where we do not have the players to run the system.
I know its the first game but including pre-season I see nothing to be optimistic about.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject:

Luke is the problem, and its painfully obvious. He is not a good coach at this point unfortunatley.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject:

I came away with a very different impression of Ball's performance. I didn't see any elite passing skills. I didn't see any creativity. He looked outclassed. I thought the color commentator on the TNT broadcast (was that Webber?) was being ridiculous. I was waiting for him to start gushing about how well Ball tied his shoes.

Ball has a long way to go to become a quality NBA player, much less a star. This was an unimpressive debut. We'll see how he's coming along by Christmas.

It was a pretty miserable night in general. The only players who seemed to have much going were Nance and Clarkson. The Clippers are probably a marginal playoff team. This game showed how far away we are from the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:53 am    Post subject:

I kept going in and out of watching the game. The obvious for me was:

We'll be much better when KCP returns, and the players get to know each other.

It is absolutely beyond my comprehension why Luke, and the rest of us, could see the instant energy & synergy between Ball & Kuzma in the SL, and Luke not experimenting immediately to see if it translates against NBA team.

Jordan Clarkson, even when he scores well, catches my attention. He, along w/Julius, keep impressing me as the players who need to be moved eventually. It's not that they're bad, it's that they have such deeply ingrained iso tendencies without having high bball iq's to balance those tendencies.

I love having Bogut out there. He's tough, smart, long, and a willing and able passer. I've seen footage of his offensive game. He and Ball will benefit the most when we have more intelligent bball iq players around them.

Ingram needs to focus on defense, rebounding, passing and keep moving. His focus on getting shots should be last because he ain't that good....at least yet.

Lastly, I'm looking forward to improvement. The most critical area of improvement that I'm locked in on is our coach and his staff.

Thanks DB! We appreciate your work.
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