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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:21 am Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Yeah in that hypothetical trade it's still someone's opinion that it's bad although the final tally won't be known until years later.
You're tired about hearing about the player. But then you want to post in a thread evaluating a FO's actions. It would be ridiculous not to discuss the most significant action that they did. Or are only positive evaluations acceptable? |
It's like making movies, there is only one rule...
Don't bore the audience. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: |
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As much as I liked you-know-who, we can't really grade this trade until this upcoming free agency. If we score in free agency, then great!
I will say the trade seemed premature, regardless of whether it was you-know-who or not, because we sold low.
I see Car54 and Lucky_Shot are disagreeing about what his production will be this year. I disagree w/ Lucky. I don't think his production will essentially match this past season. My guess is he'll be at about 20, 5, & 5. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Yeah in that hypothetical trade it's still someone's opinion that it's bad although the final tally won't be known until years later.
You're tired about hearing about the player. But then you want to post in a thread evaluating a FO's actions. It would be ridiculous not to discuss the most significant action that they did. Or are only positive evaluations acceptable? |
I'm all for discussion.
But I think you already made the assumption that the trade was ill-advised. I'm on the side that doesn't think so. |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Fastbreak32 wrote: | As much as I liked you-know-who, we can't really grade this trade until this upcoming free agency. If we score in free agency, then great!
I will say the trade seemed premature, regardless of whether it was you-know-who or not, because we sold low.
I see Car54 and Lucky_Shot are disagreeing about what his production will be this year. I disagree w/ Lucky. I don't think his production will essentially match this past season. My guess is he'll be at about 20, 5, & 5. |
FastBreak you dont know how this is supposed to work.
I say something and you agree.... got it |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | Fastbreak32 wrote: | As much as I liked you-know-who, we can't really grade this trade until this upcoming free agency. If we score in free agency, then great!
I will say the trade seemed premature, regardless of whether it was you-know-who or not, because we sold low.
I see Car54 and Lucky_Shot are disagreeing about what his production will be this year. I disagree w/ Lucky. I don't think his production will essentially match this past season. My guess is he'll be at about 20, 5, & 5. |
FastBreak you dont know how this is supposed to work.
I say something and you agree.... got it |
Sorry! I haven't gotten around to reading the handbook! _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: |
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What the OP whiffed on was the construction of the FO. Where are the experienced voices in the room? Where are the consultants for Magic to bounce ideas off of? Where are the player developmental specialists? GS has them as do the Spurs. The model is out there but the 2017 model was ignored and we are operating with a 1990 model. To be fair, the same can be said of the Jim Buss FO. An example of a modern organizational structure is the Dodgers. Magic is a part owner and has access to that structure but for whatever reason shunned it. We went through the draft and free agency with no head of analytics. Words come out the mouth but actions do not support them. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | What the OP whiffed on was the construction of the FO. Where are the experienced voices in the room? Where are the consultants for Magic to bounce ideas off of? Where are the player developmental specialists? GS has them as do the Spurs. The model is out there but the 2017 model was ignored and we are operating with a 1990 model. To be fair, the same can be said of the Jim Buss FO. An example of a modern organizational structure is the Dodgers. Magic is a part owner and has access to that structure but for whatever reason shunned it. We went through the draft and free agency with no head of analytics. Words come out the mouth but actions do not support them. |
So in essence what you are saying is we are undermanned, is that it? _________________ Trade AD now. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | My god this place is overrun with DLO stans. Its over, get over it. He is never coming back and will never be a Laker again. |
So in a thread examining Magic's moves, which lists DLO, you don't think it's relevant? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | Car54 wrote: | Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | My god this place is overrun with DLO stans. Its over, get over it. He is never coming back and will never be a Laker again. |
Or maybe we're LAKER fans who knew the trade happened too early. |
I don't care what you call yourself. A real Lakers fan wants to talk about what's going on with the Lakers now and in the future not dwell on some past hope and dream because you feel slighted in some way as if this team was yours to control in the first place... |
"Real Lakers fan..." _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | We have to credit the current FO for getting that 27th pick and turning it to Kuzma though, admit it. |
I agree with that, depending on how Kuzma pans out.
That said, we could have gotten a draft pick to acquire Kuzma for a lot less than Russell. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: |
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What happened VLF, you hate this emoticon ?
Every time I see it brings a smile on my face. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | What the OP whiffed on was the construction of the FO. Where are the experienced voices in the room? Where are the consultants for Magic to bounce ideas off of? Where are the player developmental specialists? GS has them as do the Spurs. The model is out there but the 2017 model was ignored and we are operating with a 1990 model. To be fair, the same can be said of the Jim Buss FO. An example of a modern organizational structure is the Dodgers. Magic is a part owner and has access to that structure but for whatever reason shunned it. We went through the draft and free agency with no head of analytics. Words come out the mouth but actions do not support them. |
So in essence what you are saying is we are undermanned, is that it? |
Yes that is exactly what I sad. <eye roll> _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | We have to credit the current FO for getting that 27th pick and turning it to Kuzma though, admit it. |
I agree with that, depending on how Kuzma pans out.
That said, we could have gotten a draft pick to acquire Kuzma for a lot less than Russell. |
You missin the point, DLo was traded so that they will get one of the MOZDENG pair.
Kuzma was the cherry/gravy. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:17 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
He's now in the East. And based on his trajectory, I can see multiple all-star appearances. Also, I can see the media being more than happy to stick it to the Lakers and push "most improved" angles to criticize the Lakers FO (which they do anyways). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Damn. DLo Thread Jr. _________________ We back. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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And I would never cheer against my Lakers. So I'm praying that Magic flourishes and we get our 2 max guys and Lonzo/BI/Kuz flourish. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LakesGnrLake Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:25 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
He's now in the East. And based on his trajectory, I can see multiple all-star appearances. Also, I can see the media being more than happy to stick it to the Lakers and push "most improved" angles to criticize the Lakers FO (which they do anyways). |
Who is the competition for PG in the east?
Kyrie and Lowry? I can easily see Dlo becoming an all star soon in the east, but that would never have happened while he was in the west coast. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:27 am Post subject: |
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LakesGnrLake wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
He's now in the East. And based on his trajectory, I can see multiple all-star appearances. Also, I can see the media being more than happy to stick it to the Lakers and push "most improved" angles to criticize the Lakers FO (which they do anyways). |
Who is the competition for PG in the east?
Kyrie and Lowry? I can easily see Dlo becoming an all star soon in the east, but that would never have happened while he was in the west coast. |
Are you guys kidding me?
The All Star format was changed...FYI. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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HumanVictoryCigar Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: |
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I saw this thread at the top of the list and said, "uh oh" |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Y2001 I know you're not rooting against the lakers.
But now I got to get sum gainz in the gym 💪 |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:29 am Post subject: |
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | I saw this thread at the top of the list and said, "uh oh" |
Indeed. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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LakesGnrLake Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | LakesGnrLake wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
He's now in the East. And based on his trajectory, I can see multiple all-star appearances. Also, I can see the media being more than happy to stick it to the Lakers and push "most improved" angles to criticize the Lakers FO (which they do anyways). |
Who is the competition for PG in the east?
Kyrie and Lowry? I can easily see Dlo becoming an all star soon in the east, but that would never have happened while he was in the west coast. |
Are you guys kidding me?
The All Star format was changed...FYI. |
haha totally fogot. Oh man even worse then. Its gonna be a Lebron and Steph and friends game. Ball and Simmons might be playing in the All Star game this year. oh man, imagine if Lebron chooses Ball with his 1st pick. LG would break |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: |
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LakesGnrLake wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | LakesGnrLake wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | That Kuzma workout line is kind of weak, because the Nets had 59 (or more) players in for workouts. That's what teams do. |
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have picked him.
The point is nobody knows. What's important now is he's with us because we grabbed him when he was there. |
It’s a convenient (and disingenuous) way to soften the blow of losing a possible 20/5/5 player (age 21) this season (when there was a high probability Kuz was available with the very next pick). |
Its also disingenuous to call dlo a 20 5 5 player when its based off of 3 games.
It wouldnt suprise me if Hart or Bryant end up being a better player |
Is your analysis based off of 3 games too? |
It's based on 2 years of Dlo, I think he wount be an allstar and based on how deep the 2017 draft is; but all i said was it wouldnt suprise me. |
He's now in the East. And based on his trajectory, I can see multiple all-star appearances. Also, I can see the media being more than happy to stick it to the Lakers and push "most improved" angles to criticize the Lakers FO (which they do anyways). |
Who is the competition for PG in the east?
Kyrie and Lowry? I can easily see Dlo becoming an all star soon in the east, but that would never have happened while he was in the west coast. |
Are you guys kidding me?
The All Star format was changed...FYI. |
haha totally fogot. Oh man even worse then. Its gonna be a Lebron and Steph and friends game. Ball and Simmons might be playing in the All Star game this year. oh man, imagine if Lebron chooses Ball with his 1st pick. LG would break |
Then the entire universe will finally accept what's up. _________________ Trade AD now. |
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