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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Judah wrote:
In response to whether or not LeBron is or has ever been the mentoring type:

”I’m not promising a championship. I know how hard that is to deliver. We’re not ready right now. No way. Of course, I want to win next year, but I’m realistic. It will be a long process, much longer than it was in 2010. My patience will get tested. I know that. I’m going into a situation with a young team and a new coach. I will be the old head. But I get a thrill out of bringing a group together and helping them reach a place they didn’t know they could go. I see myself as a mentor now and I’m excited to lead some of these talented young guys. I think I can help Kyrie Irving become one of the best point guards in our league. I think I can help elevate Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters.”

^^This, obviously, is from his ”I’m Coming Home” letter back in 2014.

”James didn't have much of a relationship with Irving. They'd been together at Team USA training camp in 2012 and both were represented by Nike. But Irving was more drawn to Kobe Bryant, whom he idolized. Nonetheless, James believed he could succeed with Irving because of his immense talent, and he believed he could mentor him. James never sought much counsel from older players when he came to the NBA but had come to enjoy mentoring younger players, whether they wanted it or not. Most did, as James had been in the league eleven years and many young players had grown up as fans of him.”

^And this is an excerpt from Return Of The King: LeBron James, the Cleveland Cavaliers And The Greatest Comeback In NBA History by Windhorst and McMenamin.


Great find. I'm optimistic too. It's on the young core to deliver though - none of them are at a Kyrie Irving level of talent. These quotes fit perfectly for where the Lakers are currently at.


actually BI and Zo have Kyrie talent. They just dont have it all bottled up in one thing.

It's very difficult for people to see this in others. which is why this world is a world of Do one thing really well or we think you're not that good at anything. how does it go "jack of all trades, master of none." as if being a master of being a jack of all trades is not as deadly as being a master of one.

kyrie drops 30 on you. but with little to no defense. Kyrie's man has 25 points with a high fg%. Kyrie needed to outscore his guy (aka hero ball) in order to help his team win the game

Zo drops 12 on you with very good man defense and excellent team defense, with excellent playmaking. Zo's man defense/team defense and passes slowed his opponent down to a bad shooting percentage while also getting others heavily involved so their scoring averages went up this game.

The lakers are up the entire game, no need for hero ball.

BI does it all. similar to what i stated with zo but just more efficient scoring.

what Zo and BI do is not something that most nba guys CAN do. most of them can't do it. most of them dont have the IQ to be a floor general like BI and Zo. The other guys are born scorers so its very difficult for them to turn it on and off at the right times.

I'd like to think the mid 00's Pistons were the exception rather than the rule, but everybody would love their team to play like that. Look at SA/GS and even the Kobe/Pau Lakers, teams with a foundation of defense, ball movement amplified by star power. You can have your cake and eat it too.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Where would you put Mitch/Jimmy (assuming Mitch/Jerry was tier 1)?


Mitch was Tier II. The debate over how much credit to give Jim Buss for the last championship team is not worth rehashing. I just don’t care about Jim Buss any more. Jerry West was Tier I.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:54 am    Post subject:

I thank the Lord every day for Magic and Rob. I give Jeanie a lot of credit for getting rid of her useless brother. She probably took a bit to long stepping up and taking charge but I am now really happy that she is in charge.

I will quibble a bit over Bryant who they could probably have traded for a future #2 pick if they did the move before he draft. Missed opportunity.

My biggest beef is with how they handled the Julius Randle situation. They could have signed him to a team friendly deal for 2 years and if nothing else he would have been a tradable asset. I suspect that he would continue to improve and would have played great with Lebron. All they needed to do is show some love and make him feel wanted.

It seems like Bonga is the developmental player over Bryant and I trust them to make that decision.

Still I love the plan and the vision and while I may quibble with the implementation I still feel we are on track with the ultimate goal of competing for the championship.

They are making the Lakers Great Again.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject:

oldlakerfan wrote:
I thank the Lord every day for Magic and Rob. I give Jeanie a lot of credit for getting rid of her useless brother. She probably took a bit to long stepping up and taking charge but I am now really happy that she is in charge.

I will quibble a bit over Bryant who they could probably have traded for a future #2 pick if they did the move before he draft. Missed opportunity.

My biggest beef is with how they handled the Julius Randle situation. They could have signed him to a team friendly deal for 2 years and if nothing else he would have been a tradable asset. I suspect that he would continue to improve and would have played great with Lebron. All they needed to do is show some love and make him feel wanted.

It seems like Bonga is the developmental player over Bryant and I trust them to make that decision.

Still I love the plan and the vision and while I may quibble with the implementation I still feel we are on track with the ultimate goal of competing for the championship.

They are making the Lakers Great Again.


I concur on Randle. Would have loved to see Randle running with LBJ. Won't lose sleep over it though.

One other area I think they made a mistake was not bringing in Boogie. At that price, it was a no brainier. Maybe they feel like he's not a part of the culture they want to build (doubtful based on the other signings) but his game is tailor made for Luke. Worst case, he never really played and we're in the same situation as now roster wise, Upside though was huge.

Otherwise, they've done a great job. I love the basketball moves, I love the Genius Talks program they created, I love the re-branding, and love the overhaul of a the training department, and I love that they have us bask as the prominent franchise in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
oldlakerfan wrote:
I thank the Lord every day for Magic and Rob. I give Jeanie a lot of credit for getting rid of her useless brother. She probably took a bit to long stepping up and taking charge but I am now really happy that she is in charge.

I will quibble a bit over Bryant who they could probably have traded for a future #2 pick if they did the move before he draft. Missed opportunity.

My biggest beef is with how they handled the Julius Randle situation. They could have signed him to a team friendly deal for 2 years and if nothing else he would have been a tradable asset. I suspect that he would continue to improve and would have played great with Lebron. All they needed to do is show some love and make him feel wanted.

It seems like Bonga is the developmental player over Bryant and I trust them to make that decision.

Still I love the plan and the vision and while I may quibble with the implementation I still feel we are on track with the ultimate goal of competing for the championship.

They are making the Lakers Great Again.


I concur on Randle. Would have loved to see Randle running with LBJ. Won't lose sleep over it though.

One other area I think they made a mistake was not bringing in Boogie. At that price, it was a no brainier. Maybe they feel like he's not a part of the culture they want to build (doubtful based on the other signings) but his game is tailor made for Luke. Worst case, he never really played and we're in the same situation as now roster wise, Upside though was huge.

Otherwise, they've done a great job. I love the basketball moves, I love the Genius Talks program they created, I love the re-branding, and love the overhaul of a the training department, and I love that they have us bask as the prominent franchise in the NBA.


Boogie would likely not have signed here for that price. He’s giving a discount, to win a ring.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
2019 wrote:
oldlakerfan wrote:
I thank the Lord every day for Magic and Rob. I give Jeanie a lot of credit for getting rid of her useless brother. She probably took a bit to long stepping up and taking charge but I am now really happy that she is in charge.

I will quibble a bit over Bryant who they could probably have traded for a future #2 pick if they did the move before he draft. Missed opportunity.

My biggest beef is with how they handled the Julius Randle situation. They could have signed him to a team friendly deal for 2 years and if nothing else he would have been a tradable asset. I suspect that he would continue to improve and would have played great with Lebron. All they needed to do is show some love and make him feel wanted.

It seems like Bonga is the developmental player over Bryant and I trust them to make that decision.

Still I love the plan and the vision and while I may quibble with the implementation I still feel we are on track with the ultimate goal of competing for the championship.

They are making the Lakers Great Again.


I concur on Randle. Would have loved to see Randle running with LBJ. Won't lose sleep over it though.

One other area I think they made a mistake was not bringing in Boogie. At that price, it was a no brainier. Maybe they feel like he's not a part of the culture they want to build (doubtful based on the other signings) but his game is tailor made for Luke. Worst case, he never really played and we're in the same situation as now roster wise, Upside though was huge.

Otherwise, they've done a great job. I love the basketball moves, I love the Genius Talks program they created, I love the re-branding, and love the overhaul of a the training department, and I love that they have us bask as the prominent franchise in the NBA.


Boogie would likely not have signed here for that price. He’s giving a discount, to win a ring.


I agree on Boogie. It would have been an inexpensive way to determine how well he played we LeBron. We would have a year to determine if he was the guy we wanted to spend our cap money on next year.
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