Lonzo's Ball shooting: A issue of mechanics/focus/both?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject:

Not even worried about it. It will come in time! He is an excellent shooter and he's learning on the fly. I don't give anyone any crap for questioning it...it's only natural to do so. It's all mental from what I can see.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject:

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He can't even make layups. Sigh.

Still think he should be coming off the bench. Lights are too bright for him right now.

Lol. Team plays best when hes on court


Well, he plays with the best players we have usually.

They played awful down the stretch tonight.

He just turned 20. I think it would help to ease him in. He's pretty bad at times.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject:

Think it could be his reality TV show? Recording sessions? Twerking parties?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject:

clearly he should change it... it should not even be up to a debate... and it's not just his jumpshot... the way he finishes in the paint also worries me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

Shots are mostly long. GT made a great point, it's the footwork.

When it comes to finishing, he takes off too far away from the basket. He did a slightly better job this game at trying to draw fouls.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

I think watching GTs video will provide some possible answers
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject:

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Shots are mostly long. GT made a great point, it's the footwork.

When it comes to finishing, he takes off too far away from the basket. He did a slightly better job this game at trying to draw fouls.


footwork? can you see how he strokes it? lol
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
I think watching GTs video will provide some possible answers


I hope GT shares it with @ZO2 so he can watch it
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:

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Shots are mostly long. GT made a great point, it's the footwork.

When it comes to finishing, he takes off too far away from the basket. He did a slightly better job this game at trying to draw fouls.


footwork? can you see how he strokes it? lol


Worked fine up to this point. A lot of his shots are long minus the airball
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

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Shots are mostly long. GT made a great point, it's the footwork.

When it comes to finishing, he takes off too far away from the basket. He did a slightly better job this game at trying to draw fouls.


footwork? can you see how he strokes it? lol


Worked fine up to this point. A lot of his shots are long minus the airball


I could be wrong but even the airball looked long to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

Another good point raised by GT was that out of control lane drives were hurting his percentage. I have been a supporter of Lonzo's shot, and have posted his NCAA shot chart vs other top prospects, etc. But from what I have seen so far, the people who are raising doubt about that shot translating to the NBA are starting to make me think...based on what we have seen so far. It seems that most games he has more shat attempts than points. Still have to give him 75% of a season imo, but I am far less confident that there are no issues with his form than I was a month ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject:

Just ask Kuzma for advice. How does Kuzma already have that amazing running floater that is so, so good for a PG? And his 3-pt percentage is awesome too. What's his secret? Lonzo should just learn from Kuzma.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
epak wrote:
I think watching GTs video will provide some possible answers


I hope GT shares it with @ZO2 so he can watch it


Same here. But I actually hope the staff has someone already doing so.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject:

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Just ask Kuzma for advice. How does Kuzma already have that amazing running floater that is so, so good for a PG? And his 3-pt percentage is awesome too. What's his secret? Lonzo should just learn from Kuzma.


Great mechanics, great confidence, great shot selection.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject:

methdxman wrote:
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Just ask Kuzma for advice. How does Kuzma already have that amazing running floater that is so, so good for a PG? And his 3-pt percentage is awesome too. What's his secret? Lonzo should just learn from Kuzma.


Great mechanics, great confidence, great shot selection.


Does Kyle do a push shot vs a catapult?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject:

He is hitting them consecutively in practice. It could be the big moments and crowd that he get a bit of stage fright. I dunno! But that shot needs to change he can't shoot going right.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject:

One of the fugliest shots in the league. Can't do that as a PG...

He's going to have a ton of work to do this summer, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:07 pm    Post subject:

Well, if he plays the whole season and can't sink a shot to save his life, I'm sure Magic & the boys will step in and help him out. Ingram has changed his form and it'll still take time, but when he doesn't revert the shot looks pretty good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject:

several times in last few games, I have noticed him get ready to shoot, but a player (often a big) crowds him a little on a half ass close out.....and he has to abort the shot.

I just think in the long run, he will have to adjust his form because he clearly struggles to get the shot off unless he has several feet of space.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Funny part is early in high school he had a more conventional form. Not sure what happened. Most of his shots seem pretty straight but long. Not sure what to really make of that.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
I think watching GTs video will provide some possible answers


Starts @3:50 mark

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z6K_-G61mcY

Agree with GT that Lonzo seems to be hopping forward when he takes a face up shot, causing him to shoot long hitting the back iron. But when Lonzo takes his step back jumper it kind of negates his forward hop which is why that shot falls in more for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:54 am    Post subject:

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The issue is he is 19.

Exactly... And the only thing that can fix that is more experience and a ton of patience.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:57 am    Post subject:

It's very rare for shot mechanics to change significantly for players though

I think it's only about 10% of players where it happens, and for those maybe only half find success with the changed shot
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:43 am    Post subject:

Kiroe, does that big hair of his get in the way of his shooting?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject:

Tilted Brim wrote:
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The issue is he is 19.

Exactly... And the only thing that can fix that is more experience and a ton of patience.


This topic is just about his shooting right?

Jayson Tatum is also 19 and he's 5 months younger than Zo and his shooting is head and shoulders above Zo's already and it's not even close.

I support the whole narrative of give our young players time from Randle to Ball, but we can only keep saying it for so long. Notice that why is it just mostly the young Lakers that need time? You don't hear other young teams like Minny, Philly, PHX, Boston or NY saying that about their young players. Towns, Simmons, Wiggins, Booker, Porzingis, Tatum are and were all 19-20 year old studs their 1st year.

Back to Zo's shooting, like that video GT posted, if Zo can't help himself from taking that forward hop then he better shoot all his 3's as step-backs, that's probably the easiest adjustment he can make starting today, rather than being patient waiting for next season and the season after to break his shot down and build it up again.

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epak wrote:
I think watching GTs video will provide some possible answers


Starts @3:50 mark

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z6K_-G61mcY

Agree with GT that Lonzo seems to be hopping forward when he takes a face up shot, causing him to shoot long hitting the back iron. But when Lonzo takes his step back jumper it kind of negates his forward hop which is why that shot falls in more for him.


Every Lakers fan should spam that Youtube video link to @ZO2_ until he records a track about it.
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