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| So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
We had some, all now gone
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
We had some, all now gone |
Those guys can’t D up so I’m glad they are gone. What I meant is a specialist like Korver type of player. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
We had some, all now gone |
Those guys can’t D up so I’m glad they are gone. What I meant is a specialist like Korver type of player. |
Yeah, that’s some solid defense
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
We had some, all now gone |
Those guys can’t D up so I’m glad they are gone. What I meant is a specialist like Korver type of player. |
Yeah, that’s some solid defense |
Actually if the Lakers even had just one guy like Joe Ingles they'd be so much better I swear to god
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
We had some, all now gone |
Those guys can’t D up so I’m glad they are gone. What I meant is a specialist like Korver type of player. |
Yeah, that’s some solid defense |
Korver was pretty decent defensively when he was in Atlanta. He was never a solid defender but he was not a liability. |
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You realize several guys still here were worse defenders last year than those shooters, right?
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There are some obvious solutions here. Less Nance, Lopez and Brewer, more Kuzma, Randle and Hart. I would also encourage Hart to be even more aggressive offensively. I think he is showing he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Frankly, at this rate, it can't hurt. We need more shot creators in the floor. Only way our half court offense and spacing improves short of a sudden increase in 3pt shooting from the current lineup. Lopez and KCP have both been very disappointing in that regard thus far.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | There are some obvious solutions here. Less Nance, Lopez and Brewer, more Kuzma, Randle and Hart. I would also encourage Hart to be even more aggressive offensively. I think he is showing he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Frankly, at this rate, it can't hurt. We need more shot creators in the floor. Only way our half court offense and spacing improves short of a sudden increase in 3pt shooting from the current lineup. Lopez and KCP have both been very disappointing in that regard thus far. |
If Hart can get to Danny Green level of 3 ball shooting, he will be a very good complimentary piece next to Zo . Kuz, Randle and Hart should be playing more. Lopez and Brewer are not part of our long term plan so they need to sit more . I think at some point of the season, it will happen and hopefully these guys will take advantage of those opportunities .
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:12 am Post subject: |
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It's still a small sample size and they have had a pretty tough schedule. Six games in ten days with two back to backs.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | There are some obvious solutions here. Less Nance, Lopez and Brewer, more Kuzma, Randle and Hart. I would also encourage Hart to be even more aggressive offensively. I think he is showing he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Frankly, at this rate, it can't hurt. We need more shot creators in the floor. Only way our half court offense and spacing improves short of a sudden increase in 3pt shooting from the current lineup. Lopez and KCP have both been very disappointing in that regard thus far. |
If Hart can get to Danny Green level of 3 ball shooting, he will be a very good complimentary piece next to Zo . Kuz, Randle and Hart should be playing more. Lopez and Brewer are not part of our long term plan so they need to sit more . I think at some point of the season, it will happen and hopefully these guys will take advantage of those opportunities . |
Danny Green? The dude set the NBA Finals record for made 3s in a season at one point. He's a career 40% shooter. Not exactly the easiest thing to just get to. |
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| tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | There are some obvious solutions here. Less Nance, Lopez and Brewer, more Kuzma, Randle and Hart. I would also encourage Hart to be even more aggressive offensively. I think he is showing he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Frankly, at this rate, it can't hurt. We need more shot creators in the floor. Only way our half court offense and spacing improves short of a sudden increase in 3pt shooting from the current lineup. Lopez and KCP have both been very disappointing in that regard thus far. |
If Hart can get to Danny Green level of 3 ball shooting, he will be a very good complimentary piece next to Zo . Kuz, Randle and Hart should be playing more. Lopez and Brewer are not part of our long term plan so they need to sit more . I think at some point of the season, it will happen and hopefully these guys will take advantage of those opportunities . |
Danny Green? The dude set the NBA Finals record for made 3s in a season at one point. He's a career 40% shooter. Not exactly the easiest thing to just get to. |
It’s a goal for him. Green had a good college 3ball and so was Hart so I can see that parallel . They are both spot up shooter and more of a 3 and D type of player so similarities are there. Luke should look at how Pop used Green and that’s how he should utilize Hart. |
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The impact of our (at least perceived) proficiency as a team that can score well in transition can be seen in our defensive rebounding position. Teams are falling back on the shot to force us to play more in the half court. We're so bad executing in the half court that it's a good strategy. But as the team improves there, the transition game is going to open up a lot because the drop back value proposition will flip.
He lack of shooting will make it hard to get there. Basically every starter has to do better.
| Omar Little wrote: | | You realize several guys still here were worse defenders last year than those shooters, right? |
I was trying to figure out who you mean (and admittedly don't know what message you're responding to). Are you talking about Jordan and Ingram compared to Russell, Young and Lou?
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | There are some obvious solutions here. Less Nance, Lopez and Brewer, more Kuzma, Randle and Hart. I would also encourage Hart to be even more aggressive offensively. I think he is showing he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Frankly, at this rate, it can't hurt. We need more shot creators in the floor. Only way our half court offense and spacing improves short of a sudden increase in 3pt shooting from the current lineup. Lopez and KCP have both been very disappointing in that regard thus far. |
I kind of like the fact that he's being selective. Would prefer he pushes his limits more incrementally. I think it will have better long term results while also giving space to guys who are likewise pushing at the edges.
That's all in contrast to Ingram who is powering through his limits at any cost which at time is to look really bad. But he has more upside so it's a different situation.
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| after 5 games, we had a worse offensive rating, defensive rating, and even Assist % with Ball on the court as opposed to him being off the court. I am not putting that on a rookie, that screams to me that the coach is not using his players properly. There is no rational reality where this team should have a higher Assist % when the player with the best court vision is on the bench. |
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| Quote: | | The Lakers rank fourth in pace and 11th in defensive efficiency — and Luke Walton wants to play even faster. |
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/925127150272839680
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| ty for the thread! |
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Do we have a choice? We're 30th in 3-point shooting. How the hell do people expect him to design a functional halfcourt offense with that? |
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| CRoost wrote: | | So we are making strides defensively but offensively especially our half court offense is lagging. Luke need to tweak his starting lineup and put Kuzma in there for Nance. We also in dire need of a pure shooter. |
Putting Kuz in the starting lineup is obvious to everyone except Luke. |
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Do we have a choice? We're 30th in 3-point shooting. How the hell do people expect him to design a functional halfcourt offense with that? |
Or it is the other way around. Since we have no offensive half-court schemes installed properly (yet?), we are a very bad 3-pt shooting team.
Is there a stat about how many of our jumpshots and 3-pt shots are contested?
How many are bail-out type shots in the last seconds of shot clock?
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Lakers 3pt shooting
| Code: | Makes Attempts
0.2 0.2 100.0 % Very tight
0.5 3.2 15.6 % Tight
2.7 8 33.8 % Open
3.3 12.5 26.4 % Wide Open |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | Lakers 3pt shooting
| Code: | Makes Attempts
0.2 0.2 100.0 % Very tight
0.5 3.2 15.6 % Tight
2.7 8 33.8 % Open
3.3 12.5 26.4 % Wide Open |
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3.3 out of 12.5 = 9.9 ppg
36% out of 12.5 = 13.5 ppg
Man, we would've gone from 101.8 to 105.4, good for 14th in the league |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | Lakers 3pt shooting
| Code: | Makes Attempts
0.2 0.2 100.0 % Very tight
0.5 3.2 15.6 % Tight
2.7 8 33.8 % Open
3.3 12.5 26.4 % Wide Open |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | Lakers 3pt shooting
| Code: | Makes Attempts
0.2 0.2 100.0 % Very tight
0.5 3.2 15.6 % Tight
2.7 8 33.8 % Open
3.3 12.5 26.4 % Wide Open |
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Couldn't have said it any better |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | Lakers 3pt shooting
| Code: | Makes Attempts
0.2 0.2 100.0 % Very tight
0.5 3.2 15.6 % Tight
2.7 8 33.8 % Open
3.3 12.5 26.4 % Wide Open |
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We should get one of those "By the numbers" threads stickied again. I liked those |
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