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A little shaky in the bottom of the 9th (Floro looks like a pus-thrower), but we got it done.
Familia is apparently on the verge of being traded to an unnamed team. |
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I read that Manny Machado's wearing #8 because:
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24153096/manny-machado-joins-los-angeles-dodgers-goal-winning-world-series
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | A little shaky in the bottom of the 9th (Floro looks like a pus-thrower), but we got it done.
Familia is apparently on the verge of being traded to an unnamed team. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ^deGrom and Noah are must-gets for me. |
As young as Syndergaard is, I don't see the Mets moving him. I could really see them listen on deGrom, though, given he's already 29. Since he's controlled through 2020, and since he'd be 32 if the Mets were to re-sign him to a new deal when he hits free agency, you could absolutely make the case that they should cash in on him now.
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ChickenStu
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ^deGrom and Noah are must-gets for me. |
As young as Syndergaard is, I don't see the Mets moving him. I could really see them listen on deGrom, though, given he's already 29. Since he's controlled through 2020, and since he'd be 32 if the Mets were to re-sign him to a new deal when he hits free agency, you could absolutely make the case that they should cash in on him now.
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What about Chris Archer and deGrom? |
I think it makes sense for deGrom to get moved, but I'd put the chances as less than 50/50. The Mets are going to want a big haul, and Wilpon, though he pinches pennies, seems to have some Peter Angelos to him. (Which is to say that he loathes the thought of a rebuild.) As for Archer, yes, the Rays should move him. His performance has been iffy for 2 years in a row, despite solid peripherals. He's kind of nearing Jeff Samardzija territory: good-to-great stuff, throws hard, gets strikeouts, doesn't walk many guys, but gives up runs and gives up hard contact. Maybe the Rays want to deal him when he's having a better year, but they may be better off moving him now, when a team still has that extra year of control and it's still possible that a team gets enamored with his peripherals. I do think that going to the NL could help Archer. |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ^deGrom and Noah are must-gets for me. |
As young as Syndergaard is, I don't see the Mets moving him. I could really see them listen on deGrom, though, given he's already 29. Since he's controlled through 2020, and since he'd be 32 if the Mets were to re-sign him to a new deal when he hits free agency, you could absolutely make the case that they should cash in on him now.
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What about Chris Archer and deGrom? |
I think it makes sense for deGrom to get moved, but I'd put the chances as less than 50/50. The Mets are going to want a big haul, and Wilpon, though he pinches pennies, seems to have some Peter Angelos to him. (Which is to say that he loathes the thought of a rebuild.) As for Archer, yes, the Rays should move him. His performance has been iffy for 2 years in a row, despite solid peripherals. He's kind of nearing Jeff Samardzija territory: good-to-great stuff, throws hard, gets strikeouts, doesn't walk many guys, but gives up runs and gives up hard contact. Maybe the Rays want to deal him when he's having a better year, but they may be better off moving him now, when a team still has that extra year of control and it's still possible that a team gets enamored with his peripherals. I do think that going to the NL could help Archer. |
I'm with GTR, love the perspective you offer. I'm higher on deGrom, I think the Mets move him no question, whether it's to the Dodgers, doubtful . . . but god I'm hoping for it.
Interesting comparison to Samardzija. Archer's stuff is fantastic, I think Honeycutt could work wonders with him. Great buy-low opportunity. Who do you have in mind? |
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ChickenStu
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| Cutheon wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | ^deGrom and Noah are must-gets for me. |
As young as Syndergaard is, I don't see the Mets moving him. I could really see them listen on deGrom, though, given he's already 29. Since he's controlled through 2020, and since he'd be 32 if the Mets were to re-sign him to a new deal when he hits free agency, you could absolutely make the case that they should cash in on him now.
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What about Chris Archer and deGrom? |
I think it makes sense for deGrom to get moved, but I'd put the chances as less than 50/50. The Mets are going to want a big haul, and Wilpon, though he pinches pennies, seems to have some Peter Angelos to him. (Which is to say that he loathes the thought of a rebuild.) As for Archer, yes, the Rays should move him. His performance has been iffy for 2 years in a row, despite solid peripherals. He's kind of nearing Jeff Samardzija territory: good-to-great stuff, throws hard, gets strikeouts, doesn't walk many guys, but gives up runs and gives up hard contact. Maybe the Rays want to deal him when he's having a better year, but they may be better off moving him now, when a team still has that extra year of control and it's still possible that a team gets enamored with his peripherals. I do think that going to the NL could help Archer. |
I'm with GTR, love the perspective you offer. I'm higher on deGrom, I think the Mets move him no question, whether it's to the Dodgers, doubtful . . . but god I'm hoping for it.
Interesting comparison to Samardzija. Archer's stuff is fantastic, I think Honeycutt could work wonders with him. Great buy-low opportunity. Who do you have in mind? |
Again, that's very kind of you, so thank you for saying that. deGrom is an ace and there's no one I'd rather have than him. As he's controlled through 2020, the Mets are going to require at least two high-end prospects, and quality beyond that, I'm guessing, and maybe even a major league piece or two. (Hey, they can have Pedro Baez!) Archer will require a lot, too, given that he can be under a team-friendly contract through 2021 (2020 and 2021 are club options where he only would get $8.25MM in each year).
Cole Hamels can probably be had for just one top-100 prospect, I'm guessing, or maybe not even that if it were a couple of decent guys that weren't in the top 100. His option is not going to vest next season, so he'd be a rental, but since he has a relatively high salary, even though we're past the halfway point of the season, we would have to unload some salary back to the Rangers, in order to stay under the luxury tax. I'm not sure that Forsythe would be enough to send out. Forsythe and Ryu heading out would work, though I don't know if the Dodgers see Ryu helping them for the rest of this season or not (he's a free agent after the season). Hamels has been decent on the road this season and might perk up in the NL while pitching in a pennant race again. Not to mention that he's a Southern California guy.
Beyond that, the market for starters isn't exactly overloaded. J.A. Happ might be the best guy among the remaining names; I'd prefer Hamels due to his postseason experience, and Happ might actually cost more to acquire since he is having the better year. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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The following relievers could be available; I didn't include Familia, who will probably be traded by tomorrow.
Raisel Iglesias (can go multiple innings)
Zach Britton (has strung together a few great appearances in a row...is he back?)
Keone Kela (power stuff, having a strong season as TEX closer)
Shane Greene (DET's closer is merely average-to-above-average)
Jake Diekman (left-hander has actually fared much better vs. righties)
Felipe Vazquez (having an off year, but the lefty has high-end potential)
Kirby Yates (has a 2.89 ERA and 135/30 K/BB ratio over 93 1/3 innings for the Padres since last season)
Kyle Barraclough (doesn't really have great ratios)
Blake Parker (his fastball/changeup combo has rebounded nicely after slow start)
Jose Alvarez (not a bad option as a lefty specialist)
Joakim Soria (veteran is having a fantastic season for the White Sox)
Fernando Rodney (yeah, let's not and say we did)
Mychal Givens (power sinker specialist has lost his control a bit this year)
Seung Hwan Oh (former Cardinals closer has had a nice bounce-back year)
Ryan Tepera (has been filling in at closer for TOR during Osuna's suspension and has fared quite well) |
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Why is there no talk, here or elsewhere, of this:
In a month or so, or two at the latest, it is possible that the Dodgers will have:
Kershaw
Stripling
Buehler
Maeda
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Ryu
Urias
That's can be a real problem in the regular season, but come playoff time?
After the next two weeks or so, one of the starters will have to go to the pen--or the DL to rest.
Four of these guys will likely be starters in the playoffs. If Ryu is back to form, he is likely one, with Kersh, likely two of the three of Stripling, Buehler, or Wood. However it plays out, that leaves four decent, to real quality, arms to sit in the pen. I see some pretty darn good relievers remaining with Maeda at the top of the list. Hill pitches really well in innings one and two (first time around), so he stands to be a lefty. If both Stripling and Buehler make the rotation, Wood would be the long reliever. Urias is the most iffy in making the post season team, but he is certainly capable.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, lots of questions to answer regarding the pitchers. With the way Ryu essentially refused to pitch in the bullpen last season, I am still not ruling out a trade where he goes out as salary ballast to enable the Dodgers to stay under the luxury tax. Particularly since he is a free agent at the end of the season and since he's not likely to be back anyway. |
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Bleh...still no Turner. I'm sure they're just being extra precautious. Can't wait to get him back.
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Rosenthal reported that the Rays are receiving a lot of interest in Archer. Then there's this...
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#Dodgers already have Machado, but that doesn’t mean they are done with #Orioles. They maintain interest in Britton and want to be in the sweepstakes. Would like Britton as setup man and occasional fill in for Jansen. Would be a nasty 2-2 punch. Dodgers still have farm to do it |
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The #Astros and #Cubs are trying to match up prospects with the #Orioles on a Zach Britton deal. Others involved too. Heard the O’s would like to wrap it up by early in the week. With Familia, Hand and Herrera having moved, it’s ramped up the pace of talks. |
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| Wow, very bad inning. Bases loaded no outs, and we get nothing. Kemp was way too eager there. He wanted to smash the ball, but didn't realize the pitcher was throwing balls. |
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| Smh - feels like Muncy made 3 errors tonight by himself. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| This is going to be a very Dodgers-y loss. |
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| This offseason regardless of what happens in the post season might be in interesting one if Kershaw opts out! He's clearly not the same pitcher, there is something wrong, he's throwing 88 mph fastballs here. He's still very effective dont get me wrong, only 1 ER tonight, but im not sure they pay him big money if this is the Kershaw from here on out. Going to be interesting. |
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| kcxiv wrote: | | This offseason regardless of what happens in the post season might be in interesting one if Kershaw opts out! He's clearly not the same pitcher, there is something wrong, he's throwing 88 mph fastballs here. He's still very effective dont get me wrong, only 1 ER tonight, but im not sure they pay him big money if this is the Kershaw from here on out. Going to be interesting. |
If he opts out, you have to let him walk. I don't even think it's much of a decision, honestly. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | kcxiv wrote: | | This offseason regardless of what happens in the post season might be in interesting one if Kershaw opts out! He's clearly not the same pitcher, there is something wrong, he's throwing 88 mph fastballs here. He's still very effective dont get me wrong, only 1 ER tonight, but im not sure they pay him big money if this is the Kershaw from here on out. Going to be interesting. |
If he opts out, you have to let him walk. I don't even think it's much of a decision, honestly. |
i dont either, I dont see the DOdgers giving him another huge huge payday. I hope he can get the fastball back, he's too damned young to lose it already! Maybe he's just not trusting his back quite yet. |
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| kcxiv wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | kcxiv wrote: | | This offseason regardless of what happens in the post season might be in interesting one if Kershaw opts out! He's clearly not the same pitcher, there is something wrong, he's throwing 88 mph fastballs here. He's still very effective dont get me wrong, only 1 ER tonight, but im not sure they pay him big money if this is the Kershaw from here on out. Going to be interesting. |
If he opts out, you have to let him walk. I don't even think it's much of a decision, honestly. |
i dont either, I dont see the DOdgers giving him another huge huge payday. I hope he can get the fastball back, he's too damned young to lose it already! Maybe he's just not trusting his back quite yet. |
The back injury is just too much of an issue for me to give him any more money than what he's already under contract for, we've almost certainly already seen his best, and his days as a workhorse may simply be over. It was an amazing run, and it's a damn shame that he couldn't quite get it done in the postseason for us. If he doesn't opt out, he can still be quite effective for us for the duration of his deal. If he does, you simply do the prudent thing and wish him the best. This isn't a Kobe situation where he's won many championships for the franchise.
If Kershaw's money were actually off the books, they could easily go after two high-end free agent hitters (Machado, Harper, Dozier, etc) and maybe try to swing a trade for another starter, whether that trade happened over the winter or during next season. |
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| The Milwaukee crowd giving Hader a standing ovation...Stay classy. |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | The Milwaukee crowd giving Hader a standing ovation...Stay classy. |
Was there a doubt? |
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| Their bases loaded ineptitude continues. Only way they seem to score on such situations is through a wild pitch/passed ball. |
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| Dodgers no longer have an ACE —- Kershaw has been wilting earlier and earlier with his fastball topping out at 91.... there is no way he opts out. |
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At the time it seemed like a solid decision going after Darvish at the time given the length of their respective but man does watching Verlander having a renaissance season really sting.
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