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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | This reeks of collusion what Jeter did similar to McHack gifting his Smeltics with KG. 
Better get Ozuna now, he's a year younger and much friendlier salary besides he's already an everyday left fielder and could slide right into the lineup in the 4 or 5 spot. |
Pretty much the same feeling I have as well....and theres nothing they will do about it...Marlins are losing money and they need to send Stanton somewhere.The league needs the Marlins to stay solvent and unfortunately for their fans that means another rebuild.... |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | This front office is terrible. We have an MVP all but begging to come here and we can’t get it done. This team will never win a WS. |
He begged to go to the Yankees. He wants the big stage and NY is the biggest. |
He'd have much rather come home to California. NY is a good consolation prize for him. The difference is, Jeter decided to play McHale and would rather trade to his former team than deal with a bunch of stranger morons in the Dodger FO.
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | This front office is terrible. We have an MVP all but begging to come here and we can’t get it done. This team will never win a WS.
No Stanton
No Verlander
But we’ll pay for broken down guys like McCarthy and Kazmir.
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But, hey, maybe this sabermoron FO will find another glass ex-Ray/A's pitcher! I hear Brett Anderson is a FA. Or maybe we should give $15 mil to AJ Griffin. Looking at the Yankees offer, there's no reason why we couldn't have beaten that.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | This reeks of collusion what Jeter did similar to McHack gifting his Smeltics with KG.
Better get Ozuna now, he's a year younger and much friendlier salary besides he's already an everyday left fielder and could slide right into the lineup in the 4 or 5 spot. |
Who was colluded against? Yankees got what they wanted, same as Stanton and the Marlins. There are no victims.
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| rwongega wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | This front office is terrible. We have an MVP all but begging to come here and we can’t get it done. This team will never win a WS. |
He begged to go to the Yankees. He wants the big stage and NY is the biggest. |
He'd have much rather come home to California. NY is a good consolation prize for him. The difference is, Jeter decided to play McHale and would rather trade to his former team than deal with a bunch of stranger morons in the Dodger FO. |
If he wanted to come to California he wouldn’t have waived his NTC to go to New York. He seems to be fine with going to the Yankees.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | This front office is terrible. We have an MVP all but begging to come here and we can’t get it done. This team will never win a WS. |
He begged to go to the Yankees. He wants the big stage and NY is the biggest. |
He'd have much rather come home to California. NY is a good consolation prize for him. The difference is, Jeter decided to play McHale and would rather trade to his former team than deal with a bunch of stranger morons in the Dodger FO. |
If he wanted to come to California he wouldn’t have waived his NTC to go to New York. He seems to be fine with going to the Yankees. |
Like I said, consolation prize.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | This reeks of collusion what Jeter did similar to McHack gifting his Smeltics with KG.
Better get Ozuna now, he's a year younger and much friendlier salary besides he's already an everyday left fielder and could slide right into the lineup in the 4 or 5 spot. |
Who was colluded against? Yankees got what they wanted, same as Stanton and the Marlins. There are no victims. |
If you think what the Yankees offered is anywhere near what the Marlins could've gotten from other teams, you're fooling yourself as always.
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Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign.
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| rwongega wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | This reeks of collusion what Jeter did similar to McHack gifting his Smeltics with KG.
Better get Ozuna now, he's a year younger and much friendlier salary besides he's already an everyday left fielder and could slide right into the lineup in the 4 or 5 spot. |
Who was colluded against? Yankees got what they wanted, same as Stanton and the Marlins. There are no victims. |
If you think what the Yankees offered is anywhere near what the Marlins could've gotten from other teams, you're fooling yourself as always. |
It is what they could get from a team he wanted. SF and STL offered good packages but it didn’t matter. Could we have gotten more for Shaq? Maybe, but not from a team he wouldn’t re-sign with. They got what they could from a team he wanted to go to, it just wasn’t the Dodgers. Or the Cubs. He wanted NY, they got their deal. Anything more is just hubris.
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| Gatekeeper wrote: | ^^
Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign. |
Have you seen Blackmon's away stats? He's barely above average away from Colorado. |
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| nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | ^^
Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign. |
Have you seen Blackmon's away stats? He's barely above average away from Colorado. |
If a .276 BA & .332 BABIP is barely above average, I'd take it.
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| Gatekeeper wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | ^^
Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign. |
Have you seen Blackmon's away stats? He's barely above average away from Colorado. |
If a .276 BA & .332 BABIP is barely above average, I'd take it. |
You're probably going to pay Blackmon just as much as Hosmer. I'd take Hosmer and put Cody in left. |
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| nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | ^^
Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign. |
Have you seen Blackmon's away stats? He's barely above average away from Colorado. |
If a .276 BA & .332 BABIP is barely above average, I'd take it. |
You're probably going to pay Blackmon just as much as Hosmer. I'd take Hosmer and put Cody in left. |
You could argue the Dodgers would have to give a little more to get Blackmon, but Hosmer would be a longer contractual obligation.
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| I dig salary friendly young slugger in Marcel Ozuna if we have to give up prized prospects Alvarez and Verdugo...got to get it done. Gimme that .312 avg with 37 dingers and 124 rbi you get from this guy along with Cody, Belli and Red Turn makes us a versatile superteam! |
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| Definitely no collusion here, as much as I hate to admit it. The Yankees took all but $30MM of the deal, and there's no way that the Dodgers were going to do that. |
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Ozuna would be a good get, no doubt, and he's got 2 arb years left, so he'd come fairly cheap in terms of finances. He'd certainly require some good prospects, though.
Even though McCutchen is due $14.5MM this year, I still think a deal for him makes some sense. He really rebounded well last season, and would be motivated in the final year of his deal. And he wouldn't cost as much to acquire as, say, Ozuna would.
And it's not like we need to acquire an outfielder. We can certainly win games if we have a LF carousel of Toles/Hernandez and others. But I expect that the Dodgers will be exploring all sorts of options.
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Morrow to the Cubs. What a (bleep) off season
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| ssiknick833 wrote: | | Morrow to the Cubs. What a (bleep) off season |
Can't say I'm surprised here. The Dodgers handled oft-injured Morrow with kid gloves during the regular season, only allowing him to pitch something like 43 innings, and never allowing him to pitch on back-to-back days until the final couple of weeks of the regular season. Obviously, they totally emptied the chamber in the postseason with him, using all of his bullets, which kind of tipped their hand that they weren't going to bring him back. They probably felt like they were lucky to get what they got out of him and were willing to move on, particularly at $10MM a year, which is what he's going to get from the Cubs. |
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| nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | ^^
Agreed. The FO were perfectly content to take on a (bleep)load of (bleep) contracts to players with little impact or no longer with the team. They have themselves to blame.
Go after Blackmon and a relief pitcher like Smith, Reed or both if Morrow doesn't re-sign. |
Have you seen Blackmon's away stats? He's barely above average away from Colorado. |
If a .276 BA & .332 BABIP is barely above average, I'd take it. |
You're probably going to pay Blackmon just as much as Hosmer. I'd take Hosmer and put Cody in left. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | This front office is terrible. We have an MVP all but begging to come here and we can’t get it done. This team will never win a WS.
No Stanton
No Verlander
But we’ll pay for broken down guys like McCarthy and Kazmir.
Just shoot me now. |
Well, I tried to hold off judgement on the front office until the 2018 free agent bonanza, but it doesn't matter. They're not closers. They're great at making small moves, but when the game-changing opportunities are available to them with players that wanted to come to the Dodgers AND the Dodgers had more leverage than other teams, they didn't even bother stepping into the batter's box... hell, they weren't even in the on-deck circle. Verlander at $20 million and Stanton at even $25 million were great fits financially long-term and with the team needs. They just have done a poor job of fitting in established players into their financial and team structure.
The dumb contracts have cost the team in a number of ways. Not only did they suck performance-wise, but now they actually cost the team a chance at Hall-of-Fame talent? That's inexcusable mismanagement from the front office. We really have to question whether they truly are trying to win a World Series.
They throw good money after bad with the Kazmir and McCarthy contracts in the majors and Sierra and Arruebarrena in the minors. Now when presented with 2 golden opportunities to get impact players they pass? 
They've relied way too much on very young players. Seager was not 100% in the World Series. Bellinger played the most games he's ever had and he was awful at the plate in the World Series. Not only are those guys part of the heart of the lineup, but barely even 2 seasons in to their careers and being asked to help carry a team to a World Series is a bit much. Then there's Urias, who was asked too much in 2016 and was injured for practically all of 2017. Buehler didn't have a great September call-up and was left off the playoff roster. These are again 2 very young players that might be asked to do a lot more in 2018 for a contending team.
They're not aggressive enough in winning World Series titles. The team roster, as good as it is, still has a roster imbalance that were not addressed and holes that are now created. It's as if they're punting the 2018 season so that they can reset the luxury tax penalties knowing that the 2019 prospects in their system will be plentiful and the big free-agent class will allow them to spend way too much money again. That's not gonna be acceptable. They must prove this season that their "process" works or else heads should roll. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | ssiknick833 wrote: | | Morrow to the Cubs. What a (bleep) off season |
Can't say I'm surprised here. The Dodgers handled oft-injured Morrow with kid gloves during the regular season, only allowing him to pitch something like 43 innings, and never allowing him to pitch on back-to-back days until the final couple of weeks of the regular season. Obviously, they totally emptied the chamber in the postseason with him, using all of his bullets, which kind of tipped their hand that they weren't going to bring him back. They probably felt like they were lucky to get what they got out of him and were willing to move on, particularly at $10MM a year, which is what he's going to get from the Cubs. |
It seems like these set up guys don't last forever, he is an injury waiting to happen but he did a great job for the Dodgers last season obviously.
That said, I don't mind not overpaying him in order to keep others.
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Take a look at their payroll and tax situation. It's not your money. Lol
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| 32 wrote: | | Take a look at their payroll and tax situation. It's not your money. Lol |
The issue I have is the throwing good money at "bargain" prices for broken playesr with the hope they can give them quality seasons hoping to be the smartest guys in the room. $96M over the next 3-4 years for 2 guys that have barely even put on a uniform. They can't pull those shenanigans in the attempt to be the smartest guy in teh room and balk when the asking price for Verlander is his current contract of $20/year. That's nuts.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Take a look at their payroll and tax situation. It's not your money. Lol |
The issue I have is the throwing good money at "bargain" prices for broken playesr with the hope they can give them quality seasons hoping to be the smartest guys in the room. $96M over the next 3-4 years for 2 guys that have barely even put on a uniform. They can't pull those shenanigans in the attempt to be the smartest guy in teh room and balk when the asking price for Verlander is his current contract of $20/year. That's nuts. |
I believe that they genuinely thought that Darvish was a better acquisition than Verlander would be. |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Take a look at their payroll and tax situation. It's not your money. Lol |
The issue I have is the throwing good money at "bargain" prices for broken playesr with the hope they can give them quality seasons hoping to be the smartest guys in the room. $96M over the next 3-4 years for 2 guys that have barely even put on a uniform. They can't pull those shenanigans in the attempt to be the smartest guy in teh room and balk when the asking price for Verlander is his current contract of $20/year. That's nuts. |
Who would that be they are at 108 million next year shedding McCarthy, Kazmir, and Gonzalez and presumably Grandahl who is a tradeable asset. I think they still owe Crawford money, but he and Gonzalez were on the previous regimes books. Even Kershaw drops off his 34 million if he doesn't opt in. |
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