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| LakerLanny wrote: | | I have been underwhelmed by the Dodgers off-season so far. Of course, I still can't even get over Game 7. |
I have this nagging feeling that was it. This sabermoron FO will let Kershaw go to the Rangers/Astros, whiff on everyone else bc they're stubborn limpdicks in the negotiating table, and somehow try to convince us that Chris Archer or some other ex-A/Ray is equivalent to Kershaw.
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| Yeah I really am still hurt over that game 7. Still trying to keep myself closed off towards baseball. |
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Don't kid yourselves, NOT resigning Dar-doushe is huge...!
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | I have been underwhelmed by the Dodgers off-season so far. Of course, I still can't even get over Game 7. |
After THAT, we get THIS??
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| The team has to reset the luxury tax. It sucks, but it is what it is, especially if we want to extend Kershaw. |
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| Giants trade for McCutcheon. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | Giants trade for McCutcheon. |
For not much more than a song, also. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | Giants trade for McCutcheon. |
For not much more than a song, also. |
Same with the Longoria trade. Although both trades could be described as about 5-years too late, both did have decent seasons, particularly with Longoria continuing his steady glove work. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | | Giants trade for McCutcheon. |
For not much more than a song, also. |
Same with the Longoria trade. Although both trades could be described as about 5-years too late, both did have decent seasons, particularly with Longoria continuing his steady glove work. |
McCutchen hit much better than Longoria did last season, and they aren't stuck to him for a while if he has a bad year in 2018. |
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Well, there goes my hope of this trade...
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rwongega
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There's a reason for the lack of moves by our FO: Depression over not being able to add another ex-Ray to the team in Longoria.
But seriously, I know this FO is trying for 2019, but I have this nagging feeling it'll all end in a calamitous fail (aka we lose Kershaw to the Rangers/Astros, we whiff on Harper, etc and after we wasted Kershaw's prime years this sabermoron FO wastes Seager/Turner/Bellinger's primes).
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| rwongega wrote: | There's a reason for the lack of moves by our FO: Depression over not being able to add another ex-Ray to the team in Longoria.
But seriously, I know this FO is trying for 2019, but I have this nagging feeling it'll all end in a calamitous fail (aka we lose Kershaw to the Rangers/Astros, we whiff on Harper, etc and after we wasted Kershaw's prime years this sabermoron FO wastes Seager/Turner/Bellinger's primes). |
That's the issue I have right now... The 2018 season hasn't even started and all of their moves this offseason are to reset for 2019. And more than likely the only big move that they will realistically make during the 2018 offseason is basically the status quo, ie. re-signing Kershaw.
How can a crap organization like the giants somehow get 2 quality players in Longoria and McCutcheon for nothing? They had no farm system before the moves. Pirates sold low on both this and the Cole trades.
I've read many articles over the years praising the front office, but it just feels like more could have been done with this team the last several years. This season will be a dog fight in the NL West.
I'm hoping the front office has learned from their past mistakes of trying to contend on the cheap and burden the payroll with albatross contracts. The 2018 offseason better result in some impact players. They cannot follow the Lakers' free-agency fiasco of Mozgov/Deng. |
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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | There's a reason for the lack of moves by our FO: Depression over not being able to add another ex-Ray to the team in Longoria.
But seriously, I know this FO is trying for 2019, but I have this nagging feeling it'll all end in a calamitous fail (aka we lose Kershaw to the Rangers/Astros, we whiff on Harper, etc and after we wasted Kershaw's prime years this sabermoron FO wastes Seager/Turner/Bellinger's primes). |
That's the issue I have right now... The 2018 season hasn't even started and all of their moves this offseason are to reset for 2019. And more than likely the only big move that they will realistically make during the 2018 offseason is basically the status quo, ie. re-signing Kershaw.
How can a crap organization like the giants somehow get 2 quality players in Longoria and McCutcheon for nothing? They had no farm system before the moves. Pirates sold low on both this and the Cole trades.
I've read many articles over the years praising the front office, but it just feels like more could have been done with this team the last several years. This season will be a dog fight in the NL West.
I'm hoping the front office has learned from their past mistakes of trying to contend on the cheap and burden the payroll with albatross contracts. The 2018 offseason better result in some impact players. They cannot follow the Lakers' free-agency fiasco of Mozgov/Deng. |
Because our FO is not great at negotiating, even if they are decent enough at scouting and analytics. To be a top GM/Prez, you have to be able to be an excellent negotiator, a tiger at the table. Our guys are limp-dicks. Even in the trades they make that benefit us, there's always this sense that they could've gotten more. I mean, WTF were those contracts to Brett Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, and Scott Kazmir?!?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | There's a reason for the lack of moves by our FO: Depression over not being able to add another ex-Ray to the team in Longoria.
But seriously, I know this FO is trying for 2019, but I have this nagging feeling it'll all end in a calamitous fail (aka we lose Kershaw to the Rangers/Astros, we whiff on Harper, etc and after we wasted Kershaw's prime years this sabermoron FO wastes Seager/Turner/Bellinger's primes). |
That's the issue I have right now... The 2018 season hasn't even started and all of their moves this offseason are to reset for 2019. And more than likely the only big move that they will realistically make during the 2018 offseason is basically the status quo, ie. re-signing Kershaw.
How can a crap organization like the giants somehow get 2 quality players in Longoria and McCutcheon for nothing? They had no farm system before the moves. Pirates sold low on both this and the Cole trades.
I've read many articles over the years praising the front office, but it just feels like more could have been done with this team the last several years. This season will be a dog fight in the NL West.
I'm hoping the front office has learned from their past mistakes of trying to contend on the cheap and burden the payroll with albatross contracts. The 2018 offseason better result in some impact players. They cannot follow the Lakers' free-agency fiasco of Mozgov/Deng. |
It's because we have a great farm, so teams ask for the world from us, but accept crap from other teams. Remember Seager/Urias/Bellinger for Hamels?
And we _have_ to reset this offseason and stay under the luxury tax, or we won't be able to afford re-signing Kershaw, let alone adding any other major pieces. The tax is absolutely brutal right now. |
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The absolute worst part about the McCutchen trade is now I have to root against him. He was always one of my favorite players not on the Dodgers.  |
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Damn let's hope JD goes to the AL and NOT resign with AZ or else Dodgers are in a 3 team brawl just to win the freaking West again not to mention the stiff competitive balance surrounding the NL.
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | It's because we have a great farm, so teams ask for the world from us, but accept crap from other teams. Remember Seager/Urias/Bellinger for Hamels?
And we _have_ to reset this offseason and stay under the luxury tax, or we won't be able to afford re-signing Kershaw, let alone adding any other major pieces. The tax is absolutely brutal right now. |
I know. And it was a near miracle that they were able to even get under it for this season, but they put themselves in this position with some of those bad contracts to Kazmir/McCarthy/Olivera/Arruebuena/Toscana/etc. in the first place. Compounding the mistakes of the Kemp/Ethier extensions and taking on way too much in the Gonzalez trade. Even though Anderson should be on that list as well, he was only around on one-year deals. I guess they eventually had to pay for all the largesse.
I'm cautiously optimistic that they'll be better getting major pieces moving forward. This offseason and the previous one are probably the only two where each move, when looked at independently, have been good moves. The signings last offseason were necessary. The trades and signings so far this offseason make sense even though they're underwhelming. They're pretty much done unless they find a taker for Kemp, and they'll have to attach some premium prospects to make it happen. |
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Rib-bit:
DWar for center fielders (for what it is worth):
#155 out of 159: Andrew McCutchen -1.1 (one spot above Pederson and lower than any regular major league CF in 2017)
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| ribeye wrote: | Rib-bit:
DWar for center fielders (for what it is worth):
#155 out of 159: Andrew McCutchen -1.1 (one spot above Pederson and lower than any regular major league CF in 2017) |
Yeah, that's why SF is going to use him in RF, and I would've wanted to use him in LF if we had traded for him. He would've been in a corner OF spot last season, too, but then the Pirates put him back in CF after the Starling Marte suspension, and just left him there once he came back. |
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| If I recall, he made a big stink about being moved from CF and that's why they left him there. hopefully he's realized he can't play it anymore, but athletes are usually the last to notice |
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| So I suppose we holding on to Matty for the time being. Him and Toles ain't a bad platoon in left just not the glamor names Dodgers whiffed on. |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | So I suppose we holding on to Matty for the time being. Him and Toles ain't a bad platoon in left just not the glamor names Dodgers whiffed on. |
I still don't think Kemp plays another inning for us. Would rather give those OF AB's vs. lefties to Kike. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | So I suppose we holding on to Matty for the time being. Him and Toles ain't a bad platoon in left just not the glamor names Dodgers whiffed on. |
I still don't think Kemp plays another inning for us. Would rather give those OF AB's vs. lefties to Kike. |
You shush. I wanna bring that Kemp jersey back out. It's been in mothballs next to all the other ex-players who got traded or left within 2-3 years of my acquiring that jersey! It's so rare to have one come back! 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rwongega wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | So I suppose we holding on to Matty for the time being. Him and Toles ain't a bad platoon in left just not the glamor names Dodgers whiffed on. |
I still don't think Kemp plays another inning for us. Would rather give those OF AB's vs. lefties to Kike. |
You shush. I wanna bring that Kemp jersey back out. It's been in mothballs next to all the other ex-players who got traded or left within 2-3 years of my acquiring that jersey! It's so rare to have one come back! |
Ha, if he wasn't a complete and utter stiff in the field now, he still might have some positive value. |
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