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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject:

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We're very lucky KCP was able to come back. He and Lopez saved our tails.

Lonzo needs to play much much better. I can take the missed shots, but the stupid decisions are something he needs to avoid in order to continue having a positive impact.


VETERANS!!

Why is KCP always considered a vet. He's 24...


Yeah, he's younger than JC.


He started in the NBA in 2013 and Clarkson and Randle started in 2014 (I was curious so I just checked Wikipedia). To me the issue is people keep talking about Clarkson and Randle like the rookies.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject:

Brook Lopez has been a beast for us this season ......really like his game out there.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject:

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If Lonzo made 40% of his shots, we'd be 7-3 and on our way to the playoffs.

I still think they will start falling, although I can't blame those who are losing hope.


There's a good miss and bad miss. Lonzo's airballs are really bad misses. I have to hope and pray his shots will go in but how many games will it cost us if we let him shoot those airball until he finds his stroke? Assuming he has one in the first place.


Zo acts tough in his interviews but you can see by his body language that he really feels ashamed about his shooting right now. I keep seeing him loading up to shoot, hesitate, then the defense closes down. He needs to play with no conscience like Kobe or Clarkson and pretend like he doesn't care. He does care, but just until he fixes his shot, he needs to pretend he's in the gym and none of this matters. They need to get a professional to clear his mind. Hope he's seeing someone about this.


lol


See you are going all method with the Phil persona.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject:

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To me the issue is people keep talking about Clarkson and Randle like the rookies.



They sometimes play like it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject:

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I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject:

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If Lonzo made 40% of his shots, we'd be 7-3 and on our way to the playoffs.

I still think they will start falling, although I can't blame those who are losing hope.


There's a good miss and bad miss. Lonzo's airballs are really bad misses. I have to hope and pray his shots will go in but how many games will it cost us if we let him shoot those airball until he finds his stroke? Assuming he has one in the first place.


Zo acts tough in his interviews but you can see by his body language that he really feels ashamed about his shooting right now. I keep seeing him loading up to shoot, hesitate, then the defense closes down. He needs to play with no conscience like Kobe or Clarkson and pretend like he doesn't care. He does care, but just until he fixes his shot, he needs to pretend he's in the gym and none of this matters. They need to get a professional to clear his mind. Hope he's seeing someone about this.


Whatever makes his shots go in, I'm all for it. Maybe it's confidence. Maybe it's something else. I don't know.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject:

giordan0 wrote:
TDRock wrote:
To me the issue is people keep talking about Clarkson and Randle like the rookies.



They sometimes play like it.


Agreed, which is a problem. By people I donít mean just us I mean like media, Lakers staff, and all would have you. Itís time to hold them the better expectations theyíve been in the league a few years now.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

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I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


What range does he have? Even at the ft line he is still suspect.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject:

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If Lonzo made 40% of his shots, we'd be 7-3 and on our way to the playoffs.

I still think they will start falling, although I can't blame those who are losing hope.


There's a good miss and bad miss. Lonzo's airballs are really bad misses. I have to hope and pray his shots will go in but how many games will it cost us if we let him shoot those airball until he finds his stroke? Assuming he has one in the first place.


Zo acts tough in his interviews but you can see by his body language that he really feels ashamed about his shooting right now. I keep seeing him loading up to shoot, hesitate, then the defense closes down. He needs to play with no conscience like Kobe or Clarkson and pretend like he doesn't care. He does care, but just until he fixes his shot, he needs to pretend he's in the gym and none of this matters. They need to get a professional to clear his mind. Hope he's seeing someone about this.


Whatever makes his shots go in, I'm all for it. Maybe it's confidence. Maybe it's something else. I don't know.


Like Ingram last year, I'm sure he makes his shots in practice. I get that professionals are paid to perform when the real games start, but I'm sure if we are patient he will come good. It's painful to watch though... hope he has a breakout game soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

What happens when Brook Lopez stops mimicking MVP Stephen Curry and stops averaging 70% form 3pt line?

Because these last 2 games were won thanks to that. Someone has to do something exceptional to compensate Lonzo bricks.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
bigballer8 wrote:
I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.


Heís literally averaging the same points that Kidd did his rookie year lol
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Reading the comments about Lonzo's shooting just show you much the NBA audience focuses mainly on shooting and scoring rather than the facets of the game. Not much patience here. It's not like he's not doing other things remarkably well. 10 games in and the focus is his lack of a jumper. We are .500 and so many said we were a terrible team. I believe his jumper is all mental and he is very young. I would just wait it out. Hopefully none of you end up in a mental institution with your lack of patience. Go Lakers and Go Lonzo!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
Drifts wrote:
bigballer8 wrote:
I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.


Heís literally averaging the same points that Kidd did his rookie year lol


Percentages are similar too. Lonzo is also a couple years younger than Kidd was in his first year.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Well, BI was the worst player in the NBA last year statistically I believe, Lonzo right now is the worst shooter but his assist to turnover ratio is really nice, rebounding and defense are solid and he makes a lot of little plays during the game that help us out. He is usually either near or at the top of our +\-. Shooting is an important part of the game, but itís only one part. Except for his shooting every part of his game is much better than I had hoped. His shot will get better and the rest is already in place...he will be fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

I'm actually encouraged, knowing the Lakers survived a scare but scrambled for it, knowing the Lakers could play so much better and seeing them show flashes of it, and in spite of all this, sitting at 5 and 5 because they play defense all game long.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

GabKoost wrote:
bigballer8 wrote:
I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


What range does he have? Even at the ft line he is still suspect.


Lonzo has shot the ball well his whole life. This little mental hiccup will pass and he will get back to being himself.

The beginning of the season was always going to be up and down, but by the All-Star break I fully expect Lonzo and this team to be very good.
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iimarshon wrote:
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bigballer8 wrote:
I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.


Heís literally averaging the same points that Kidd did his rookie year lol


Jaosn Kidd 11.7 pts on 38.5% shooting...
Lonzo Ball 8.8ptx on 30% shooting...

literally the same??? are you kidding me?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject:

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Well, BI was the worst player in the NBA last year statistically I believe, Lonzo right now is the worst shooter but his assist to turnover ratio is really nice, rebounding and defense are solid and he makes a lot of little plays during the game that help us out. He is usually either near or at the top of our +\-. Shooting is an important part of the game, but itís only one part. Except for his shooting every part of his game is much better than I had hoped. His shot will get better and the rest is already in place...he will be fine.

Yup. Same thoughts here on Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject:

I can live with not having a closer (yet) and struggling to put teams away, but tonight was on being stupid with under 5 min left than the lack of a closer. If Memphis didnít do some stupid things themselves, we might be looking at an ugly loss. Fortunately, we arenít...on to the road trip.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject:

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JC was doing everything to lose the game then Lonzo came in doing the same thing.

Lopez and KCP kept us steady.


Not surprising that a kid like Zo was getting shaky but the vets kept calm. Don't know what JC's excuse is though.


So the best players on this team are the guys who wont be here next year?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Drifts wrote:
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I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.


Heís literally averaging the same points that Kidd did his rookie year lol


Jaosn Kidd 11.7 pts on 38.5% shooting...
Lonzo Ball 8.8ptx on 30% shooting...

literally the same??? are you kidding me?



Season is still young. If he finishes the season with that stat line, then we have reason for concerns. For now, let's just call it a bad shooting streak for Lonzo until he finds his stroke. Aside from the shooting part, I really like all other aspects of his game though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject:

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Id rather be winning and have Lonzo struggle then have Lonzo be amazing and our team just suck. If you are finding a way to complain about this win then you must hate rainbows and butterflies...lighten up fellas.


Actually, long term the other is better especially if the plan is to get Free Agents to come play with Ball
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
Drifts wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Drifts wrote:
bigballer8 wrote:
I have faith Lonzo will start balling out. Lonzo doesn't have a midrange game and thats the only thing that worries me.


not just a mid-range game... every range is a problem for him.

I like him because he is quick on his feet, he triggers breaks really well, the long pass, the assist game...

but his offense is so terrible that he makes Jason Kidd look like a scoring savant.


Heís literally averaging the same points that Kidd did his rookie year lol


Jaosn Kidd 11.7 pts on 38.5% shooting...
Lonzo Ball 8.8ptx on 30% shooting...

literally the same??? are you kidding me?



Season is still young. If he finishes the season with that stat line, then we have reason for concerns. For now, let's just call it a bad shooting streak for Lonzo until he finds his stroke. Aside from the shooting part, I really like all other aspects of his game though.


This. Only 10 games
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

TooMuchMajicBuss wrote:
For all the complaints about Lonzo, he still got 9reb 9assists, and we still got a win. Yeah he did look like a rookie in the final 3 minutes.

Just imagine how good we'll be once he settles in.


Lonzo is definitely a good rebounder and playmaker, but hes also getting Heavy minutes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject:

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JC was doing everything to lose the game then Lonzo came in doing the same thing.

Lopez and KCP kept us steady.


Not surprising that a kid like Zo was getting shaky but the vets kept calm. Don't know what JC's excuse is though.


So the best players on this team are the guys who wont be here next year?


not if they accept the veteran min
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