LiAngelo Ball arrested in China for Shoplifting (could face 3-10 years prison)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject:

I haven't followed the UCLA recruits this year, but weren't these guys their big name players they got for the 2017-2018 season? Looks bad for their program. If they get expelled, they are pretty much screwed and will have to go to community college if they want to make it back to a big name school?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject:

Trump personally intervened and a good thing he did. They are just dumb kids, they dont deserve to go to jail over something stupid.
When youre in a foreign country you must you must behave. A lot of kids have no idea how different some places are and how dangerous some of that stuff can be.
They are lucky if they get released and all ends well. They easily couldve done some time.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject:

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Trump asks Chinese president to help in UCLA case

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President Donald Trump personally asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help resolve the case involving three UCLA basketball players, including LiAngelo Ball, who were arrested on shoplifting charges in Hangzhou, The Washington Post reported Monday.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject:

that's some serious clout to get it up to the level for Trump to intervene and yes, they do deserve jail time for this, they are old enough to understand what "theft" is and they didn't do it at one place as a prank or something, they hit at least 3 places that we know of - which still, to me, implies that at least one of these kids has done this before and is very practiced at it.

If they were some regular "Joe Schmoe" freshman, new in town with no influential parents, stealing items from 3 high end stores in the LA area, you think the stores would just let it go because they are "kids"? Since they are so connected, they will probably just get sent back home to undergo "therapy" which will be as effective as what Weinstein and Kevin Spacey did.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Trump asks Chinese president to help in UCLA case

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President Donald Trump personally asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help resolve the case involving three UCLA basketball players, including LiAngelo Ball, who were arrested on shoplifting charges in Hangzhou, The Washington Post reported Monday.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
I haven't followed the UCLA recruits this year, but weren't these guys their big name players they got for the 2017-2018 season? Looks bad for their program. If they get expelled, they are pretty much screwed and will have to go to community college if they want to make it back to a big name school?


They were expected to contribute but none were really big name recruits. UCLAs 2 best freshman were not involved. It is a terrible look for the program regardless
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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I haven't followed the UCLA recruits this year, but weren't these guys their big name players they got for the 2017-2018 season? Looks bad for their program. If they get expelled, they are pretty much screwed and will have to go to community college if they want to make it back to a big name school?


They were expected to contribute but none were really big name recruits. UCLAs 2 best freshman were not involved. It is a terrible look for the program regardless


Cody Riley probably would've contributed as big man depth. I suppose Liangelo could've helped as another shooter off the bench but the truth of the matter is Kris Wilkes and Jaylen Hands are the two prized freshman prospects and neither was involved in the incident in China.

House arrest in a swanky hotel and now Trump apparently involved I fully expect the three to be back in the US by Thanksgiving. (I'm assuming Alibaba or UCLA are paying the bill for the hotel). It will be interesting to see the punishment handed down once the kids get back as all eyes will be on how the school handles it. Just based on the high profile nature I'm assuming some kind of suspension for all 3 and/or expulsion for at least one depending on who actually swiped the merchandise.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject:

Interesting situation - LiAngelo was already a fringe-NBA prospect. If he ends up getting expelled, he might want to consider playing professionally in Europe.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject:

leor_77 wrote:
Interesting situation - LiAngelo was already a fringe-NBA prospect. If he ends up getting expelled, he might want to consider playing professionally in Europe.

Yeah, he should go the Mudiay route and play in —

Oh wait
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject:

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Interesting situation - LiAngelo was already a fringe-NBA prospect. If he ends up getting expelled, he might want to consider playing professionally in Europe.

Yeah, he should go the Mudiay route and play in —

Oh wait


Well it beats working at a Foxconn factory to pay off his debt to society....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:50 pm    Post subject:

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Did Jameis Winston get expelled?


Crab legs from Publix vs. Louis Vuitton sunglasses....one is a minor misdemeanor, while the other is a felony in the US.


Felony theft in CA is over $950.

Are all Louis Vuitton sunglasses over $950?

Also, would expulsion be based on a conviction? And under what legal system?

A legal system in China where the conviction rate is 99.3%? If I'm accused of a crime in China and I know I'm innocent, I still won't try to fight it since the conviction rate is 99.3%. I'm going to try for a plea bargain.

All of this would somehow have to be written into the student code of conduct in order for the students to be expelled.

Here's a case of a USC student being expelled from school:
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LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles Superior Court judge on Friday left open the possibility for former USC kicker Matt Boermeester to return to the university.

Boermeester, who was expelled in July following a Title IX investigation into alleged domestic violence, filed a petition last month seeking reinstatement to the school.

Judge Amy Hogue granted Boermeester’s request to stay the ruling, but on conditions that he not re-enroll in classes or visit campus.

“The court should be cautious when undermining a university’s disciplinary process,” Hogue said during a 45-minute hearing.

A trial date was set for Jan. 3, 2018, when Hogue is expected to rule on Boermeester’s request to reverse his expulsion from the university. It is five days before the start of USC’s spring semester. Friday was the last day for students to add classes for the fall semester, which began Aug. 21.

Friday’s decision also ended any last-minute attempt for Boermeester to rejoin the football team for this season.

“Matt Boermeester is disappointed he can’t return to USC right away and is considering his options,” Mark Hathaway, an attorney representing Boermeester, said outside the courtroom after the hearing.

Julie Young and Karen Pazzani, attorneys representing USC, declined to comment.

Boermeester, 23, attended the hearing, sitting alongside girlfriend Zoe Katz.


USC expelled Boermeester for allegedly assaulting Katz, 22, outside her residence in January, according to court documents obtained by the Southern California News Group. Its investigation concluded Boermeester had violated the university’s policy for intimate partner violence.

Katz, a USC women’s tennis player, has denied she was assaulted by Boermeester.

In court documents, USC said Katz recounted her story, at first confirming an assault and detailing a pattern of abuse when contacted by Title IX investigators.

Katz, in a declaration, said her comments were “misrepresented, misquoted and taken out of context.”

“USC stands by its investigation, the evidence and accounts provided by multiple witnesses that an act of violence took place that violated our university codes of conduct and Title IX regulations and warranted the actions took,” the university said in a statement released Friday. “We are confident that this will become more evident as this case proceeds in court.”

During the hearing earlier Friday, attorneys for both sides argued against the decision to stay Boermeester’s expulsion.

Hathaway contended Boermeester should be allowed to take classes while his petition for reinstatement is considered.

“He has a fundamental right to his education, and that right has been abridged by the university,” Hathaway said.

Young warned of a chilling effect on students reporting potential instances of domestic abuse.

“Will they report when a classmate is submitted to violence?” she asked.

Hogue called it a “fair compromise.”

Boermeester’s future with the football team would be left to USC in case he is reinstated to the school. He would also likely need to petition the NCAA for an extra season of eligibility. College athletes are given five years to play four seasons, and Boermeester, who would have been a redshirt senior this fall, began as a freshman in junior college in 2013.

Before he was removed from the team, Boermeester made the winning 46-yard field goal for USC in its dramatic Rose Bowl victory over Penn State in January.

Chase McGrath, a freshman walk-on from Mater Dei, has taken over field-goal kicking duties for the Trojans. He did not attempt a field goal in USC’s 49-31 season-opening win over Western Michigan, but made all seven extra-point attempts.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:25 am    Post subject:

should have let him stay. he'll end up playing there anyways.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject:

UCLA players reportedly returning to U.S. after being detained in China

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UCLA freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill, who have been detained in China on suspicion of shoplifting, are being allowed to return to the United States on Tuesday, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The players were seen checking into a Los Angeles-bound Delta flight at Shanghai's Pudong International Airport, airline staff told The Wall Street Journal.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:31 am    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
Felony theft in CA is over $950.

Are all Louis Vuitton sunglasses over $950?


wow, it is $300 in Florida.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject:

Theyre lucky with the timing of it, that Trump was making a trip to China etc. Unbelievably stupid of them. They should get their asses kicked for being idiots if nothing else.
Some of those kids just go abroad and they act as if theyre in the US and nothing bad can happen. If they were some regular dudes they would have rot in prison for a few years in communist China. Just wow. How dumb can you be.
Well good thing this ended up well and they didnt have major consequences but idiocy is just unbelieveable.
Before they go to Dubai and other Middle East countries they better learn a bit about the law and the culture in some of those places.

Reminds me of a transgender celebrity from Montreal, not sure what her name is, forgot it but she got detained at the airport in Dubai and was banned from entering the country as they dont accept transgender people. She broke down, started crying and demanded a political change. Like damn...do you have any idea where you are?? You're lucky to be alive.

So yeah just wow...no awareness about the world whatsoever. In some places you dont mess around.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:37 am    Post subject:

Lucky idiots. While I believe in 2nd chances, I think they should be suspended for at least a year from UCLA. Staying in the Ritz an extra week ain't enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject:

From LonzoWire:

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LiAngelo Ball—the younger brother of Los Angeles Lakers rookie Lonzo Ball—and two of his UCLA Bruins teammates will land at Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday afternoon with clean criminal records. According to China Sports Daily’s Mark Dreyer, all charges of shoplifting against Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill have been dropped by authorities in China, despite evidence showing that the three freshmen stole merchandise from Louis Vuitton and two other high-end luxury stores in Hangzhou, next to the Hyatt Regency hotel.

Ball, Riley and Hill were arrested and detained last Tuesday by about 20 Chinese police officers after the Bruins and Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets visited the Alibaba campus in Hangzhou, in support of the Pac-12 China Game. The trio was released back to the hotel less than 48 hours later, where they remained under what might be termed “house arrest” until this Tuesday.

Per the report, the three Bruins boarded China Eastern Airlines flight MU577 (Delta codeshare), which left Shanghai’s Pudong International Airport at 9 p.m. local time and is scheduled to arrive at LAX before 5 p.m. PT.

There is no official word yet as to what role U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration might have played in the resolution or what discipline for the players could be forthcoming from UCLA and the Pac-12 Conference.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject:

They are lucky they had advocates in the Alibaba Group not wanting to make this a bigger deal. I don't think any other foreigners would be as lucky if were caught stealing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:03 am    Post subject:

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LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill won’t face charges for their alleged shoplifting at three high-end luxury stores—including Louis Vuitton—in China, but that doesn’t mean the three UCLA Bruins basketball players got off entirely scot-free. Aside from whatever punishment awaits them in Los Angeles from the university and the Pac-12, Ball and his freshmen teammates got a public scolding from U.S. President Donald Trump, who intervened with Chinese President Xi Jinping on their behalf.

“You know, you’re talking about very long prison sentences,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One at the end of his tour through Asia on Tuesday, per the Wall Street Journal’s James T. Areddy. “They do not play games.”


Had Ball, Riley and Hill gone through the usual legal process in China, they could have faced up to 10 years in prison for their thievery. According to ESPN’s Arash Markazi, the teenagers were all caught on camera prior to their arrest.

Instead, less than 48 hours after they were detained by local police, Ball and his teammates were released back to the Hyatt Regency Hangzhou, where they “spent the rest of the week nestled in a set of corner rooms on a VIP floor” before checking out on Monday, per the Wall Street Journal.

On Tuesday night, the players boarded a China Eastern Airlines flight at Shanghai’s Pudong International Airport at 9 p.m. local time, and were scheduled to land at LAX before 5 p.m. PT.

According to Markazi, Trump’s intervention help to “expedite” the process.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject:

So lucky those 3 idiots. So lucky.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject:

What a god damned embarrassment. 3 (bleep) birds go to a peasant country to get caught stealing tacky garbage
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject:

Expelled from school. I think they are already kicked off the team and scholarships revoked, right?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject:

They weren’t charged with anything, the NCAA penalty might be less.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:24 pm    Post subject:

My guess is suspended for a couple of games.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject:

I think the worst punishment they could receive would be a forced public apology and thank you to Trump for saving their arses with his supreme diplomacy and tactful negotiating prowess.

LiAngelo: "and I would like to offer a special apology and thank you to the greatest man to hold public office, an upstanding proponent for humility, sacrifice, and tolerance, our master, the donald"
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