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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?


He'd have to sit out a year if he transferred which would be worse than serving out a suspension.

Was reading this article and the G-League may be a possibility but no guarantees if any G-League team will even want him since he's not a highly regarded prospect.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/12/4/16735402/liangelo-ball-leaves-ucla-basketball-lavar-nba-draft-2018-g-league

He should have just sucked it up and taken the punishment. If he really is NBA material he wouldn't be the first prospect to showcase that in less than a full college season.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?
he's not going to any other school per Lavar.

You guys have to remember what ramona and the other reporter uncovered about Lavar when they did their pieces on him and the family awhile back. Lavar if nothing else, is a Trainer by heart. That is where his love lies. not in basketball, not in football, not in any sport. But the mere ability to train someone or something(animals...his words) is what he LOVES to do. Its also why he pulled his wife out of the normal rehab setup. He wanted to do his own at home TRAINING. It has seemed to work well for her thus far.

So since he realized that his son couldnt even practice with the team. thats when he was done. and I some what agree with that. if the end game is to try to get Gelo into the nba(edge of the bench or 6th man...doesnt matter ..just in. lol) he needs to play and practice as much as possible. yes Gelo put this own himself/well him and the other 2 for doing what they did. But we're not talking about that. we're talking about making it to the nba. You need a lot of practice. So no better time than the present to get err done. lastly, Lavar is impatient to some degree. Most Type A Big time business owners or overachievers usually are. He's no different. So him waiting for who knows how long for UCLA to say his son could play or wait a full season was never going to cut it. i was surprised he waited this long to pull him.

But Lavar could have trained him while he was on suspension. Makes not sense. And then just as important as training is getting in constant minutes of playtime against players at your level. He's not going to get nearly enough of that while getting trained by daddy out in Chino Hills.


I agree. This strikes me as delusional. Even assuming Lavar is a good trainer, he is not a basketball coach and he appears incapable of accurately assessing his sons's games (said that Lonzo's shot doesn't need to change, advocates Lamelo jacking up shots from half court, and claims that he can train Liangelo for the NBA).


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject:

just sad....now he has two sons @ home, and he claims to be home schooling one, which he is not qualified to do.....training both for the NBA , which he is not qualified to do....from the outside looking in, it appears the hype is diminishing, the substance is thin....and Lavar's world is imploding. This family better hope Lonzo can continue to get that paycheck for a long time.

interesting parts from the ESPN article...

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"He's not on any of our scouting lists - even the extended lists," one GM told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.


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LaVar Ball said earlier Monday that he hadn't informed the UCLA coaching staff that he is pulling LiAngelo.

"I haven't told any of those guys,"Lavar told ESPN. "They didn't tell me anything, so why am I gonna tell them."


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LaVar Ball said that that the plan is still for LaMelo Ball - ESPN's seventh-ranked player in the class of 2019 -- to go to UCLA. LaMelo verbally committed to attend UCLA in two years. However, a source at UCLA told ESPN's Arash Markazi that this is probably the end for the Ball family at the school.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject:

LiAngelo was a longshot to make the NBA anyways.
The problem now is LaMelo will probably be ineligible anyways so UCLA was probably out of the question. Not wanting them to go overseas to play professionally won't help either.The only way to get better is to play against your own peers, especially at high level competition at that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject:

Hard to know exactly how good LiAngelo is when he didnít play a single game in college. Odds were against him but there are guys who arenít highly regarded coming out of high school and then surprise people and get drafted.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject:

Heard he was supposed to be a back up this season anyway. LaMelo being ranked 7th in the class is pretty good. He needs to play overseas for a year or two if not UCLA or other college. LiAngelo can maybe try his luck overseas as a pro.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject:

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Hard to know exactly how good LiAngelo is when he didnít play a single game in college. Odds were against him but there are guys who arenít highly regarded coming out of high school and then surprise people and get drafted.

LiAngelo would make a better TE - he just doesn't have a basketball body, and he lacks the athleticism to make up for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Wow, how stupid do you have to be to throw away the opportunity to play for UCLA basketball?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, how stupid do you have to be to throw away the opportunity to play for UCLA basketball?


He had a scholarship so he basically had a free ride....Lavar said he was only going to be there for a year and then turn pro....
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Heard he was supposed to be a back up this season anyway. LaMelo being ranked 7th in the class is pretty good. He needs to play overseas for a year or two if not UCLA or other college. LiAngelo can maybe try his luck overseas as a pro.


Depends where he plays....
I've seen DII players make it overseas, although they are usually playing in some basketball team in one of the smaller leagues in Europe, and not on teams which are usually scouted by the NBA. Probably not baller enough for Lavar.....
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Heard he was supposed to be a back up this season anyway. LaMelo being ranked 7th in the class is pretty good. He needs to play overseas for a year or two if not UCLA or other college. LiAngelo can maybe try his luck overseas as a pro.


Depends where he plays....
I've seen DII players make it overseas, although they are usually playing in some basketball team in one of the smaller leagues in Europe, and not on teams which are usually scouted by the NBA. Probably not baller enough for Lavar.....

Can he still play in China?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, how stupid do you have to be to throw away the opportunity to play for UCLA basketball?


it was an opportunity likely only afforded to him because of Lonzo and the potential of LaMelo...very unlikely UCLA recruits a lower 3 Star prospect in a vacuum.
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LiAngelo, LaMelo Ball reportedly exploring options to play basketball internationally

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LiAngelo and LaMelo Ball, the youngest sons of polarizing father LaVar Ball, are both exploring options to play basketball and potentially sign internationally, according to a report from The Vertical.


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LaVar Ball pulling LiAngelo out of UCLA is the best thing that could happen for the Bruins

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The best and worst thing Steve Alford ever did for his UCLA career was attach himself to the Ball family.


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Alford is unlikely to admit this publicly any time soon, but LaVar's move here has to be a relief inside UCLA headquarters, like a little more oxygen just got pumped into UCLA's facilities. Talk to any evaluator that's spent time scouting LiAngelo and they'll tell you he's not good enough to be at UCLA.


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Alford held control over LaVar's son and LaVar couldn't take it anymore. If there's one personality trait that stands out larger than any other with LaVar Ball, it's that he hates others having power over him. It's led to him verbally attack women and childishly pull his team off a basketball court during a game on more than one occasion.


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LaVar remains as delusional about LiAngelo's draft prospects as he's ever been, by the way.

He also claims, ludicrously, that he'll prepare his son better for the NBA Draft than UCLA's infrastructure of coaches, trainers, facilities, etc. LaVar's going to do it out of his home now. Just like he plans to do to LaMelo. This isn't funny. It's sad and detrimental.


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Alford and UCLA stopped needing LaVar Ball the instant Lonzo officially declared for the NBA


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That end result would be best for UCLA and Alford, but I can't say the same for the kids who could be robbed of an incredible experience at one of the most prestigious universities and basketball programs in the world -- just because their father had too much pride and arrogance to let others do what's best for his boys.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject:

I bet there are some in the Lakers organization that are very envious of Steve Alford tonight....in that they are finished with Lavar.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject:

Depends on what LaMelo would have brought them. If he became a star and brought a lot of attention to UCLA, then I donít think itís a good thing for them. That a really stupid move for Lavar to pull him out too though.
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I'm not in a position to tell a man how to raise his children but IMO LaVar is wrong. What ever happened to going to school for a education. LiAngelo had a 4.0 GPA.

Lonzo escaped just in time.

Can't wait for FirstTake tomorrow.

LaVar Ball says he's withdrawing suspended son from UCLA

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LaVar Ball told the Los Angeles Times and ESPN on Monday that heís going to explore other options for LiAngelo because ďIím not going to let him sit back and not practice.Ē


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Alford said last week that he and his staff were communicating with the players via text messages and calls, mostly to see if they are attending classes. The players are allowed to use athletic facilities, including the weight room, but arenít working directly with the coaching staff, he said.


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The elder Ball pulled his youngest son, LaMelo, out of Chino Hills High recently in favor of home schooling him.

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saetarubia wrote:
Heard he was supposed to be a back up this season anyway. LaMelo being ranked 7th in the class is pretty good. He needs to play overseas for a year or two if not UCLA or other college. LiAngelo can maybe try his luck overseas as a pro.


Depends where he plays....
I've seen DII players make it overseas, although they are usually playing in some basketball team in one of the smaller leagues in Europe, and not on teams which are usually scouted by the NBA. Probably not baller enough for Lavar.....


Depends on what team out there is willing to give Lavar Ball complete control. In fact, I kinda hope that's what happens. Put LaMelo and LiAngelo on a foreign team that Lavar manages. Keeps him far away from UCLA and the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:56 pm    Post subject:

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Depends on what team out there is willing to give Lavar Ball complete control. In fact, I kinda hope that's what happens. Put LaMelo and LiAngelo on a foreign team that Lavar manages. Keeps him far away from UCLA and the Lakers.



Good.

The BBB-stans here can go with him.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:25 am    Post subject:

Doncic debuted at Real Madrid when he was 16. Maybe LaMelo can take his spot with Donacic leaving for NBA.
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lakersken80 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?
he's not going to any other school per Lavar.

You guys have to remember what ramona and the other reporter uncovered about Lavar when they did their pieces on him and the family awhile back. Lavar if nothing else, is a Trainer by heart. That is where his love lies. not in basketball, not in football, not in any sport. But the mere ability to train someone or something(animals...his words) is what he LOVES to do. Its also why he pulled his wife out of the normal rehab setup. He wanted to do his own at home TRAINING. It has seemed to work well for her thus far.

So since he realized that his son couldnt even practice with the team. thats when he was done. and I some what agree with that. if the end game is to try to get Gelo into the nba(edge of the bench or 6th man...doesnt matter ..just in. lol) he needs to play and practice as much as possible. yes Gelo put this own himself/well him and the other 2 for doing what they did. But we're not talking about that. we're talking about making it to the nba. You need a lot of practice. So no better time than the present to get err done. lastly, Lavar is impatient to some degree. Most Type A Big time business owners or overachievers usually are. He's no different. So him waiting for who knows how long for UCLA to say his son could play or wait a full season was never going to cut it. i was surprised he waited this long to pull him.

But Lavar could have trained him while he was on suspension. Makes no sense. And then just as important as training is getting in constant minutes of playtime against players at your level. He's not going to get nearly enough of that while getting trained by daddy out in Chino Hills.


In one of the early episodes of BITF LiAngelo was talking about the rules he has on him in regards to BBB. He was able to wear it, but not promote it. I think they even removed all the pictures of him modeling shirts on the website. Now LiAngelo will be able to do whatever Lavar wants him to when it comes to BBB. I wonder how much of a role, if any, that played.
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I have no beef with LaVar pulling his son from school, and apparently the kid has voiced no complaints either. That said, there's been a whole lot of puffery coming from the founder of the BBB for his company, his family and his majesty himself. I look forward to interesting days from the catbird seat.

BTW, has there been even one report of a customer receiving purchased shoes from BBB ?
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
splashmtn wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?
he's not going to any other school per Lavar.

You guys have to remember what ramona and the other reporter uncovered about Lavar when they did their pieces on him and the family awhile back. Lavar if nothing else, is a Trainer by heart. That is where his love lies. not in basketball, not in football, not in any sport. But the mere ability to train someone or something(animals...his words) is what he LOVES to do. Its also why he pulled his wife out of the normal rehab setup. He wanted to do his own at home TRAINING. It has seemed to work well for her thus far.

So since he realized that his son couldnt even practice with the team. thats when he was done. and I some what agree with that. if the end game is to try to get Gelo into the nba(edge of the bench or 6th man...doesnt matter ..just in. lol) he needs to play and practice as much as possible. yes Gelo put this own himself/well him and the other 2 for doing what they did. But we're not talking about that. we're talking about making it to the nba. You need a lot of practice. So no better time than the present to get err done. lastly, Lavar is impatient to some degree. Most Type A Big time business owners or overachievers usually are. He's no different. So him waiting for who knows how long for UCLA to say his son could play or wait a full season was never going to cut it. i was surprised he waited this long to pull him.

But Lavar could have trained him while he was on suspension. Makes no sense. And then just as important as training is getting in constant minutes of playtime against players at your level. He's not going to get nearly enough of that while getting trained by daddy out in Chino Hills.


In one of the early episodes of BITF LiAngelo was talking about the rules he has on him in regards to BBB. He was able to wear it, but not promote it. I think they even removed all the pictures of him modeling shirts on the website. Now LiAngelo will be able to do whatever Lavar wants him to when it comes to BBB. I wonder how much of a role, if any, that played.


LaVar was probably unable to train his son while the kid was at UCLA. The kid was still enrolled at UCLA and as such was required to keep up with coursework, The kid lived adjacent to campus. No way that LaVar could maintain his own business schedule and also co-locate at UCLA often enough to personally train his son. He'd have to have hired talent, and this tells us that training his boy was not at the heart of the kid's departure from UCLA. It's more about the man's inability to restrain himself from seizing control of this stage of his son's career and education from UCLA. Quite literally, the father saw this as damage control to his own reputation; he has quite the ego, but that is the failing of many parents.
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Wilkes52 wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
splashmtn wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?
he's not going to any other school per Lavar.

You guys have to remember what ramona and the other reporter uncovered about Lavar when they did their pieces on him and the family awhile back. Lavar if nothing else, is a Trainer by heart. That is where his love lies. not in basketball, not in football, not in any sport. But the mere ability to train someone or something(animals...his words) is what he LOVES to do. Its also why he pulled his wife out of the normal rehab setup. He wanted to do his own at home TRAINING. It has seemed to work well for her thus far.

So since he realized that his son couldnt even practice with the team. thats when he was done. and I some what agree with that. if the end game is to try to get Gelo into the nba(edge of the bench or 6th man...doesnt matter ..just in. lol) he needs to play and practice as much as possible. yes Gelo put this own himself/well him and the other 2 for doing what they did. But we're not talking about that. we're talking about making it to the nba. You need a lot of practice. So no better time than the present to get err done. lastly, Lavar is impatient to some degree. Most Type A Big time business owners or overachievers usually are. He's no different. So him waiting for who knows how long for UCLA to say his son could play or wait a full season was never going to cut it. i was surprised he waited this long to pull him.

But Lavar could have trained him while he was on suspension. Makes no sense. And then just as important as training is getting in constant minutes of playtime against players at your level. He's not going to get nearly enough of that while getting trained by daddy out in Chino Hills.


In one of the early episodes of BITF LiAngelo was talking about the rules he has on him in regards to BBB. He was able to wear it, but not promote it. I think they even removed all the pictures of him modeling shirts on the website. Now LiAngelo will be able to do whatever Lavar wants him to when it comes to BBB. I wonder how much of a role, if any, that played.


LaVar was probably unable to train his son while the kid was at UCLA. The kid was still enrolled at UCLA and as such was required to keep up with coursework, The kid lived adjacent to campus. No way that LaVar could maintain his own business schedule and also co-locate at UCLA often enough to personally train his son. He'd have to have hired talent, and this tells us that training his boy was not at the heart of the kid's departure from UCLA. It's more about the man's inability to restrain himself from seizing control of this stage of his son's career and education from UCLA. Quite literally, the father saw this as damage control to his own reputation; he has quite the ego, but that is the failing of many parents.


And the way they worded the press release shows that this was all Lavar's decision and not LiAngelo's, even though he probably didn't protest it and went along with his dad's decision. And the way the press release from UCLA was worded shows that they were probably relieved that they no longer have to deal with his antics, even though this decision could probably be a life altering decision if that NBA career never pans out.
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splashmtn wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21667748/lavar-ball-pulls-son-liangelo-ball-ucla

Sorry kid your dad has spoken....
Wonder what will happen next? Transfer to another school? Play in Europe? Pay back Xi by playing in China?
he's not going to any other school per Lavar.

You guys have to remember what ramona and the other reporter uncovered about Lavar when they did their pieces on him and the family awhile back. Lavar if nothing else, is a Trainer by heart
.

That is where his love lies. not in basketball, not in football, not in any sport. But the mere ability to train someone or something(animals...his words) is what he LOVES to do. Its also why he pulled his wife out of the normal rehab setup. He wanted to do his own at home TRAINING. It has seemed to work well for her thus far.

So since he realized that his son couldnt even practice with the team. thats when he was done. and I some what agree with that. if the end game is to try to get

Gelo into the nba(edge of the bench or 6th man...doesnt matter ..just in. lol) he needs to play and practice as much as possible. yes Gelo put this own himself/well him and the other 2 for doing what they did.

But we're not talking about that. we're talking about making it to the nba.

You need a lot of practice. So no better time than the present to get err done. lastly, Lavar is impatient to some degree. Most Type A Big time business owners or overachievers usually are. He's no different.

So him waiting for who knows how long for UCLA to say his son could play or wait a full season was never going to cut it. i was surprised he waited this long to pull him.

Do you honestly believe LaVar is more capable to get his son ready for the NBA than a high quality college like UCLA? How many NBA players do you know that are in the league because they were trained by LaVar Ball? I know 0

If that's LaVar's intent, getting his son into the NBA, IMO it's shortsighted. There are 301 spots in the NBA, 301 thousand, and that's a bottom line figure, in the working world. LiAngelo has a 4.0 GPA. He has a better chance of making it in the cooperate world than he does the NBA. Who's this about LiAngelo or LaVar?

All I've heard and read NO PRO TEAM has any interest in Gelo. He's on no pro shopping list, he's not even on the extended shopping list. This was before the shoplifting incident. Do you have some information about a team being interested in him? Plus the way LaVar carries himself, what franchise is willing the take on a helicopter basketball dad? I personally think LaVar is to a degree a reason Lonzo hasn't performed to his full potential. (JMHO)

It's been suggested by sports pundits Ball, Riley and Hill would probably be back in business after Christmas. Ball's not going to be on the bench indefinitely he's going to be out of school because of his father. Don't forget, he's not that good a player in the eyes of pro scouts. LaVar may have made his chances of making the pros more difficult. Going overseas to play his way into the NBA? How many have gone there, done that?
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