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 Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: OT-Franics to knicks for expiring k? |
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| espn news says francis to knicks for hardaway? Might have already been mentioned. |
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angel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Marbury anyone?
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kells1220
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| Isiah Thomas is a sick man, but atleast he's making moves. |
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Marbury and Francis should be sick in a good way. Great coach
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oldschool32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Backcourt defense should be terrible and the bigs will never touch the ball. |
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tony smith
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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can you imagine larry brown trying to explain to francis and marbury how to run his offense? i'd pay good money to watch that. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| oldschool32 wrote: | | Backcourt defense should be terrible and the bigs will never touch the ball. |
Steve is a good defender |
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And 1
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If true, this a great deal for Orlando.
They get rid of a player (and his long contract) who doesn't want to play for them.
In return they get an expiring contract.
Next season, Hill comes off the books as well.
They'll be able to sign a max player in '07 and/or possibly sign some reasonable role players as well.
If they forego a max player in '07, they'll be major players in '08.
Finally, they'll probably end up trading Hedo to free up extra money to resign Howard.
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| kells1220 wrote: | | Isiah Thomas is a sick man, but atleast he's making moves. |
There is a reason why New York is in it's present state. Isaiah is it. Some of his bone-head acquistions and trades have really handicapped the Knicks. I'm glad he isn't the Lakers GM. |
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Wow. Well, when things get rough around here, just remember, it can always be a lot worse. This should be amusing. Isiah is the worst GM in the game by far. Is his plan to literally every year have no plan and just get out the worst contracts in the league? Wow.
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| tony smith wrote: |
can you imagine larry brown trying to explain to francis and marbury how to run his offense? i'd pay good money to watch that. |
I think this would be a great idea for a new reality television show. Sell the rights now! |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| angel wrote: | | Marbury anyone? |
No Marbury, no Francis.
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| kells1220 wrote: | | Isiah Thomas is a sick man, but atleast he's making moves. |
Yes. It is important to make trades just for the sake of making trades.
If nothing else, it will appease all the lemmings that need a trade just to add some excitement to their lives.
Even if it is meaningless to the advancement of the team.
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| PopcornMachine wrote: | Yes. It is important to make trades just for the sake of making trades.
If nothing else, it will appease all the lemmings that need a trade just to add some excitement to their lives.
Even if it is meaningless to the advancement of the team. |
For this roster a trade for the sake of it will be a upgrade. |
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I like the deal. NY keeps swinging for the fence. They'll get back to being a contender eventually.
What people don't realize is the Knicks and Lakers make money every, regardless of how much they spend on their contracts. The Knicks are making money right now even though they have the highest payroll for their players.
The difference is the Knicks are willing to pay the luxury tax so they can get back to being a contender. For whatever reason, the Buss family is no longer willing to do whatever it takes or spend whatever it takes to get back to the promise land.
Waiting to spend money is what the Clippers do. Or at least, that is what they use to do. |
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| iml84myd8s wrote: | I like the deal. NY keeps swinging for the fence. They'll get back to being a contender eventually.
What people don't realize is the Knicks and Lakers make money every, regardless of how much they spend on their contracts. The Knicks are making money right now even though they have the highest payroll for their players.
The difference is the Knicks are willing to pay the luxury tax so they can get back to being a contender. For whatever reason, the Buss family is no longer willing to do whatever it takes or spend whatever it takes to get back to the promise land.
Waiting to spend money is what the Clippers do. Or at least, that is what they use to do. |
So like thomas you think a million monkeys with a million typewriters given enough time can write the works of Shakespeare (or however that quote goes)?
It's fine to swing for the fences and spend ridiculous amounts of money if there is some semblance of a plan and it doesn't appear he has one. Buss has proved he's willing to spend luxury tax money if it brings success, but spending money on players that don't fit, are injured, have awful contracts, etc. just for the sake of spending money is just stupid. If they don't work out then they're very hard to trade.
All the Knicks are like Enron (except without the illusion of success), but instead of blowing up and going bankrupt, they're just putting themselves further and further from potential championship contention. |
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kells1220
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| PopcornMachine wrote: | | kells1220 wrote: | | Isiah Thomas is a sick man, but atleast he's making moves. |
Yes. It is important to make trades just for the sake of making trades.
If nothing else, it will appease all the lemmings that need a trade just to add some excitement to their lives.
Even if it is meaningless to the advancement of the team. |
Actually, thats not what I meant. Please don't mock me. Isiah trades are really mind boggling, but who knows maybe there is a 2009 plan that none of us know about. Maybe there is a method to his madness, or not. I'm all good with Mitch not making trades just because, but it would be nice to see him address some of the Lakers needs. I definitely wouldn't trade him for Isiah. |
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Socks
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| vkewalra wrote: | | iml84myd8s wrote: | I like the deal. NY keeps swinging for the fence. They'll get back to being a contender eventually.
What people don't realize is the Knicks and Lakers make money every, regardless of how much they spend on their contracts. The Knicks are making money right now even though they have the highest payroll for their players.
The difference is the Knicks are willing to pay the luxury tax so they can get back to being a contender. For whatever reason, the Buss family is no longer willing to do whatever it takes or spend whatever it takes to get back to the promise land.
Waiting to spend money is what the Clippers do. Or at least, that is what they use to do. |
So like thomas you think a million monkeys with a million typewriters given enough time can write the works of Shakespeare (or however that quote goes)?
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I snorted out loud when I read that - thanks for the laugh! Oh so true  |
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| And 1 wrote: | If true, this a great deal for Orlando.
They get rid of a player (and his long contract) who doesn't want to play for them.
In return they get an expiring contract.
Next season, Hill comes off the books as well.
They'll be able to sign a max player in '07 and/or possibly sign some reasonable role players as well.
If they forego a max player in '07, they'll be major players in '08.
Finally, they'll probably end up trading Hedo to free up extra money to resign Howard. |
Remember last time orlando had cap space.. Duncan shunned them, Hill signed and lord knows that was wasted money, and tmac went to houston for.....Francis... LAMO orlando doesnt know how to spend it even when they have it..
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could ny now send marbury to Denver for a bluelight special?
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| rebirth wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | If true, this a great deal for Orlando.
They get rid of a player (and his long contract) who doesn't want to play for them.
In return they get an expiring contract.
Next season, Hill comes off the books as well.
They'll be able to sign a max player in '07 and/or possibly sign some reasonable role players as well.
If they forego a max player in '07, they'll be major players in '08.
Finally, they'll probably end up trading Hedo to free up extra money to resign Howard. |
Remember last time orlando had cap space.. Duncan shunned them, Hill signed and lord knows that was wasted money, and tmac went to houston for.....Francis... LAMO orlando doesnt know how to spend it even when they have it.. |
Of course, those are also the years we want to be players in the FA market as well, so we'd be competing with them. |
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| angel wrote: | | Marbury anyone? |
Fine with me...
OT- Angel? Is that a statue for Jesus??? Like are you Mormon...because I swear that looks like the Jesus statue in the Mormon temples...or at least Salt Lake City... |
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| rebirth wrote: | | could ny now send marbury to Denver for a bluelight special? |
I think the Nugs want big and cheaper. None of which is Marbury.
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| rebirth wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | If true, this a great deal for Orlando.
They get rid of a player (and his long contract) who doesn't want to play for them.
In return they get an expiring contract.
Next season, Hill comes off the books as well.
They'll be able to sign a max player in '07 and/or possibly sign some reasonable role players as well.
If they forego a max player in '07, they'll be major players in '08.
Finally, they'll probably end up trading Hedo to free up extra money to resign Howard. |
Remember last time orlando had cap space.. Duncan shunned them, Hill signed and lord knows that was wasted money, and tmac went to houston for.....Francis... LAMO orlando doesnt know how to spend it even when they have it.. |
It's true that they couldn't close the deal on Duncan. Hey, it happens.
As you mentioned, however, they were able to snare Hill. And when Duncan passed, they were able to get McGrady. Though they didn't have a lot of size in the frontcourt, a roster featuring Hill, McGrady, Mike Miller, and Darell Armstrong would have done a lot of damage in the East.
At the time of their signing, Orlando was looked upon as a legit contender. I guess you can argue that they should have done more homework prior to signing Hill, but ultimately sh!t happened.
It was a good, sound effort. |
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| PopcornMachine wrote: | | kells1220 wrote: | | Isiah Thomas is a sick man, but atleast he's making moves. |
Yes. It is important to make trades just for the sake of making trades.
If nothing else, it will appease all the lemmings that need a trade just to add some excitement to their lives.
Even if it is meaningless to the advancement of the team. |
Can't quite agree with that pop. He came into a salary cap hell situation. Had two ways to go. Try and trade for expiring and wait a few years for cap room, like we are, not a good move in NYC. Not to mention the talent to trade didn't do much for anybody so that also meant giving away multiple top picks.
Or, since the owner has deep pockets, try the Cuban route of stock piling and trading the pieces. Takes a while but given what the situation was I would take the second way too. |
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