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| adkindo wrote: | Nance, Lopez, Randle, KCP only players with positive RPM. All < +1.  |
If you haven't heard Nance is"useless"and should be traded as a throw in |
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defense
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone do a bpm and per. it gets even more strange |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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RPM 1/25/2018
Nance 2.31
Lonzo .73
Randle .09
KCP .02
Lopez -.36
Clarkson -.76
Hart -1.22
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.86
Brewer -3.09 |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | RPM 1/25/2018
Nance 2.31
Lonzo .73
Randle .09
KCP .02
Lopez -.36
Clarkson -.76
Hart -1.22
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.86
Brewer -3.09 |
Thanks!
The Lakers really need to upgrade at SF this off-season. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | defense wrote: | RPM 1/25/2018
Nance 2.31
Lonzo .73
Randle .09
KCP .02
Lopez -.36
Clarkson -.76
Hart -1.22
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.86
Brewer -3.09 |
Thanks!
The Lakers really need to upgrade at SF this off-season. |
PG wya |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | defense wrote: | RPM 1/25/2018
Nance 2.31
Lonzo .73
Randle .09
KCP .02
Lopez -.36
Clarkson -.76
Hart -1.22
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.86
Brewer -3.09 |
Thanks!
The Lakers really need to upgrade at SF this off-season. |
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2.82 RPM for PG13. Add that, a third year Ingram, and subtract Brewer's -3.09 and that should do it. |
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defense
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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BPM 1/25/2018
Nance 3.7
Lonzo .9
KCP .4
Randle .1
Lopez -.4
Clarkson -.8
Kuzma -.9
Hart -1.4
Ingram -2.5
Brewer -2.6 |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks about right. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | BPM 1/25/2018
Nance 3.7
Lonzo .9
KCP .4
Randle .1
Lopez -.4
Clarkson -.8
Kuzma -.9
Hart -1.4
Ingram -2.5
Brewer -2.6 |
Remarkably similar to RPM. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice, thanks for the updates. |
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ValisJason
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I've been looking at a new statistic called Player-Impact Plus Minus, created by Jacob Goldstein. Its similar to BPM and RPM, but also includes some adjustment for luck. I also think it doesn't favor big men as much as RPM and BPM. Goldstein explains the formula for creating it here at Nylon Calculus
PIPM O-PIPM D-PIPM
KCP 1.25 -0.16 1.42
Nance 1.22 -0.31 1.53
Lonzo 1.06 -1.21 2.27
Lopez 0.54 -0.60 1.14
Randle -0.71 -0.53 -0.18
Clarkson -0.72 0.33 -1.05
Hart -1.00 -0.54 -0.47
Kuzma -1.28 0.06 -1.35
Ingram -2.28 -2.08 -0.20
If we limit it to only the last 27 games played, it matches with my eye-test pretty well. It loves Lonzo's defense and captures his offensive improvement. It really doesn't like Ingram, and doesn't seem to love Randle either. But, admittedly both have been pretty up and down.
PIPM O-PIPM D-PIPM
Nance 1.79 0.19 1.6
Lonzo 1.58 -0.17 1.75
KCP 1.46 0.30 1.16
JC -0.43 0.68 -1.11
Hart -0.49 0.16 -0.65
Randle -0.55 -0.13 -.042
Lopez -0.58 -0.95 0.37
Kuzma -0.68 0.28 -0.96
Ingram -2.66 -1.6 -1.06 |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Great, another metric that (bleeps) on Ingram...
Does anyone have access to Pelton's WAR? |
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tox
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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@ValisJason
Another interesting stat, thanks for sharing. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: |
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RPM 2/06/2018
Nance 2.09
Lonzo .73
Lopez .29
Randle .08
KCP .01
Clarkson -.69
Hart -1.13
Kuzma -2.28
Ingram -2.22
Brewer -3.11
BPM 2/06/2018
Nance 3.7
Lonzo .8
Randle .2
KCP .2
Lopez -.04
Clarkson -.9
Hart -1.1
Kuzma -1.5
Ingram -2.2
Brewer -3.8
Win Shares 2/06/2018
Nance 3.6
Randle 3.3
KCP 2.5
Kuzma 2.4
Clarkson 2.2
Hart 1.9
Ingram 1.6
Lopez 1.4
Lonzo 1.0
Brewer .6
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tox
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice to see BI's better play recently be reflected on the stat sheets. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Nice to see BI's better play recently be reflected on the stat sheets. |
Yea a few guys improved which is great |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | RPM 2/06/2018
Nance 2.09
Lonzo .73
Lopez .29
Randle .08
KCP .01
Clarkson -.69
Hart -1.13
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.22
Brewer -3.11
BPM 2/06/2018
Nance 3.7
Lonzo .8
Randle .2
KCP .2
Lopez -.04
Clarkson -.9
Hart -1.1
Kuzma -1.5
Ingram -2.2
Brewer -3.8
Win Shares 2/06/2018
Nance 3.6
Randle 3.3
KCP 2.5
Kuzma 2.4
Clarkson 2.2
Hart 1.9
Ingram 1.6
Lopez 1.4
Lonzo 1.0
Brewer .6 |
Kuzma's at -2.28 in RPM. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | defense wrote: | RPM 2/06/2018
Nance 2.09
Lonzo .73
Lopez .29
Randle .08
KCP .01
Clarkson -.69
Hart -1.13
Kuzma -1.70
Ingram -2.22
Brewer -3.11
BPM 2/06/2018
Nance 3.7
Lonzo .8
Randle .2
KCP .2
Lopez -.04
Clarkson -.9
Hart -1.1
Kuzma -1.5
Ingram -2.2
Brewer -3.8
Win Shares 2/06/2018
Nance 3.6
Randle 3.3
KCP 2.5
Kuzma 2.4
Clarkson 2.2
Hart 1.9
Ingram 1.6
Lopez 1.4
Lonzo 1.0
Brewer .6 |
Kuzma's at -2.28 in RPM. |
My mistake, and that's good for absolute last among pf defensively.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Kuzma's at -2.28 in RPM. |
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Afrosho
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Big jump for BI who thanks to his last great games is now at -1.75 (-1.26ORPM -0.49DRPM). 59/86 among SF.
Kuzma at -1.89 (-0.17ORPM -1.72DRPM), 83/97 among PF, and 95/97 defensively. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Nance, Lopez, Randle, KCP only players with positive RPM. All < +1. |
If you haven't heard Nance is"useless"and should be traded as a throw in |
He was useful in getting us a 1st round pick  |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | defense wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Nance, Lopez, Randle, KCP only players with positive RPM. All < +1. |
If you haven't heard Nance is"useless"and should be traded as a throw in |
He was useful in getting us a 1st round pick |
Which ain't too bad considering how tightly teams have been holding on to 1st round picks. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Afrosho wrote: | Big jump for BI who thanks to his last great games is now at -1.75 (-1.26ORPM -0.49DRPM). 59/86 among SF.
Kuzma at -1.89 (-0.17ORPM -1.72DRPM), 83/97 among PF, and 95/97 defensively. |
Funny how RPM rewards Ingram when he actually plays well and isn't some grand nerd conspiracy against him. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Afrosho wrote: | Big jump for BI who thanks to his last great games is now at -1.75 (-1.26ORPM -0.49DRPM). 59/86 among SF.
Kuzma at -1.89 (-0.17ORPM -1.72DRPM), 83/97 among PF, and 95/97 defensively. |
Funny how RPM rewards Ingram when he actually plays well and isn't some grand nerd conspiracy against him. |
Those numbers are not giving him and Kuz any justice. I would worry about those stats though if they have no major upside and gimpy like the one that got traded. |
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Afrosho
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:10 am Post subject: |
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RPM update:
KCP leads the team with 0.79 followed by Lopez (0.52), Julius (0.51) and Lonzo (0.30) thanks to his impressive DRPM (1.97).
Ingram keeps climbing, now at -1.47 (was -2.22 three weeks ago).
Kuzma now at -2.27 and last in DRPM at his position  |
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