Can‘t tell you guys why but I got a pretty good feeling that Moritz Wagner is going to be our guy with the first pick tomorrow. Got the Michigan connection, experienced stretch four, can replace Brook Lopez if needed, emotional leader, talkative. Exactly the type of player magic and rob seem to be targeting.
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Analytics-heavy team in Houston takes an analytics darling in De’Anthony Melton. Makes total sense. How he got to the mid-40s, I have no idea.
Morey keeps taking young analytics favorite guys with his second round picks - Onuaku, Zhou, Hartenstein, and now Melton - and we don't know if any of them can play given D'Antoni and their championship aspirations. But a couple of those guys could really hit in time. It'll be interesting to see (or they'll all be traded to Cleveland). _________________ Under New Management
I'm sure a lot of us wanted Robert Williams and Shake Milton but one thing I have learned is not to question our scouting department.
It did feel like we was drafting for need though and not BPA. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
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Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Not that this is Laker-related, but still...
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I would not expect Michael Porter Jr. to play this season. It’s early in the process, but just based on what I’ve heard and how much Nuggets President of Basketball Operations Tim Connelly stressed patience, I don’t think he’ll play. Redshirt year.
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
and not guys who are 18/19 that you're not sure if you can count on in important games...
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
I think I'm close to agreeing with this. Like a B floor. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
and not guys who are 18/19 that you're not sure if you can count on in important games...
I'm with you, B+
Svi is 20 though. 4 years of college. _________________ Austin Reaves
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I would not expect Michael Porter Jr. to play this season. It’s early in the process, but just based on what I’ve heard and how much Nuggets President of Basketball Operations Tim Connelly stressed patience, I don’t think he’ll play. Redshirt year.
It's very Lakers related because that's one less obstacle keeping us from making the playoffs. A healthy MPJ and Jokic would be very troublesome and probably would ensure one of the 8 spots.
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
and not guys who are 18/19 that you're not sure if you can count on in important games...
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
C+ from me.
I graded last year's draft a B+ and it turned out to be an A, so hopefully this year's group also performs up a grade. _________________ Under New Management
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ChickenStu wrote:
Not that this is Laker-related, but still...
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I would not expect Michael Porter Jr. to play this season. It’s early in the process, but just based on what I’ve heard and how much Nuggets President of Basketball Operations Tim Connelly stressed patience, I don’t think he’ll play. Redshirt year.
It's very Lakers related because that's one less obstacle keeping us from making the playoffs. A healthy MPJ and Jokic would be very troublesome and probably would ensure one of the 8 spots.
I think LeBron is in the bag, so I have my sights set on quite a bit more than merely making the playoffs.
I'm sure a lot of us wanted Robert Williams and Shake Milton but one thing I have learned is not to question our scouting department.
It did feel like we was drafting for need though and not BPA.
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I'm sure a lot of us wanted Robert Williams and Shake Milton but one thing I have learned is not to question our scouting department.
It did feel like we was drafting for need though and not BPA.
Yes, I felt this was the case too.
Implication is the FO feels we're going to need cheap role players who are ready to man an nba bench. We clearly made a choice to prioritise ready to contribute over potential for the future. A total 180 turn from previous years.
I think this is the clearest signal yet, we're probably getting big free agents in a few weeks. The entire roster is about to be cleared out, with the exception of a couple of our more valuable players on rookie deals.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:04 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
C+ from me.
I graded last year's draft a B+ and it turned out to be an A, so hopefully this year's group also performs up a grade.
C+ for me also. I can get behind Wagner (I didn't want Robert Williams, though I preferred other players at 25), and certainly Svi at 47 is fine. Just didn't like the Bonga pick, which brings down the overall grade for me. But hey, maybe it will be used in a separate transaction somehow, or maybe he'll be good in a couple of years when he's like 26-27, and I'll eat my words.
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I know we have one of the best scouting staffs in the business... but this is a disappointing draft.
With the depth of this draft - really good going into the 30s, diamonds in the rough past 40, we should’ve gotten 2 solid rotation guys.
Wagner should’ve been our worst pick - and honestly he may be our best one.
What happened to getting multi-skilled guys like last year? This looks like a Triangle-era draft - shooters who don’t contribute heavily in any other stat and will get blown off the floor on D.
Would’ve much rather have picked Shamet at 25 or any of the 4 or 5 other decent PGs still left on the board. Or any of the decent 3 and D SFs out there at 39.
Shoot, even the mostly 3 and D guys with athleticism like Melton or Vanderbilt would’ve been preferable to Bonga or Svi.
If they wanted an outside shooting big so bad they could’ve picked Welsh out
Of UCLA at 47 and gotten a terrific multi skilled shooter like Brunson or Shamet or Milton with 25 or 39.
I hope the staff proves me colossally wrong... but with all the ready to contribute talent out there, I dwill it the no these were good value picks, or BPA/ potential trade asset picks at all.
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ChickenStu wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Lakers got two high iq, dead eye shooters who may contribute immediately and a very cheap shot an an all upside prospect. Good two way deal too. I give it a b+ as a floor.
C+ from me.
I graded last year's draft a B+ and it turned out to be an A, so hopefully this year's group also performs up a grade.
C+ for me also. I can get behind Wagner (I didn't want Robert Williams, though I preferred other players at 25), and certainly Svi at 47 is fine. Just didn't like the Bonga pick, which brings down the overall grade for me. But hey, maybe it will be used in a separate transaction somehow, or maybe he'll be good in a couple of years when he's like 26-27, and I'll eat my words.
Heard LA was very impressed with his tools. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
I've been kind of lukewarm on our draft results, but one thing that's always hard to quantify is desire/personality profile/pedigree. You can craft up ceilings and floors for players based on all the known metrics, but the profile is ultimately what will make a player reach their upside. I'm in the camp where just drafting all the guys who fell (ie Robert Williams 25, DeAnthony Melton 39, Keita Bates Diop 46) would have been an A+ draft. Those guys stuffed all the categories that bode well for the NBA in their respective positions. Yeah, none of those guys are the prototypical shooters the Lakers wanted, but still. It's very clear that the Lakers weren't looking for BPA strictly, but that the emphasis was to address their 29th-ranked three point shooting.
The guy I really liked best was Isaac Bonga. Dude ranked 25th in my mock and we got him at 39th. Dude is only a shade over 18 years old right now but is a very tough dude, drawing a ton of fouls despite having a skinny frame, and having excellent court vision and steal power. He's also got stealth shooting potential--dude shot 92% on free throws in the BBL on a high volume of attempts, and 90% in another league. Sure, not much long-range shooting or gravity, but given his age, there's a lot of potential there. A swiss knife with shades of shooting ability.
Wagner is kind of interesting, what with a 6'11" willing three point shooter who actually has stealing power. That's kind of interesting. IMO on a statistical basis he was always more of a 35-40 range pick (either last year or this year), but you hear all those stories about his heart, desire and tenacity so he has a greater chance of reaching his potential than some of those A+ draft guys I mentioned above. I thought he was a better shooter last year than this year (he's always been a robust three point shooter, but what is up with that 69% free throw shooting?). People say he can pass and handle but his assist/assist'd rates were in the dark red this year. He really improved his dboarding this year though, but he's not a shotblocker at all. Interesting, but there are definitely quite a few in-game concerns IMO. I think he's a better defender than one would think with the steal power, and his dunk rate is merely subpar rather than a complete stiff, but on the offensive end I'm not sold on his ball skills, and his shooting might be a tad overstated.
I'm not really a believer in Svi Mykhailuk. He ranked 55th and we picked up 10 spots above that. Dude can shoot and is really willing to launch from deep, and like Nick Young for a weeelll preferred shooter he has some stealth hops. The problem is, he started off with a skinny frame and his refusal to draw contact or even get to the rim still exists, and he offers zilch in other toughness cats like dboarding and shotblocking. Those t-rex arms are legendary, but he is tall and has some hops, so maybe there's slight belief that they can counteract (but his lack of toughness metrics really don't bode well for him here either). Mostly he's just a shooter, and I'm not even sure if the stealth hops will show up in the NBA level. I think he's the sort of dude who looks good Sasha Vujacic-ing it up in practice settings but will really struggle on the court. But again, premium on shooting and all that.
Malik Newman seems very throwaway to me. Again, the emphasis on the shooting--with the exception of Bonga three of these four guys are known for their shooting well above anything else. Newman ranked 80th in 126 available prospects I analyzed and the dude can definitely shoot with gravity, and also dboard from the wing position--but that's it. Really bad vision and handles--no ball skills at all, bad at playing physical at-rim, subpar stealer and shotblocker. Dude's upside is Luther Head, and that's just not interesting.
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