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Mike@LG Moderator
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Purp 32 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Bonga's not gettimg minutes. He's barely an 18 yr old project. |
I don't think it's a wise draft if we're basing it if a guy gets minutes or not. I mean, we hid Thomas Bryant practically all season. Zubac too. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Does that even matter?
Minutes weren't an issue until Stephenson got signed, as if he should be getting a lot of PT anyway. |
Lance’s argument is he is a vet that you can lean on in the playoffs. Bonga isn’t getting any PT, he’s a project. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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OC Lakerfan wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Does that even matter?
Minutes weren't an issue until Stephenson got signed, as if he should be getting a lot of PT anyway. |
Lance’s argument is he is a vet that you can lean on in the playoffs. Bonga isn’t getting any PT, he’s a project. |
Well, that's my problem with drafting Bonga.
It's not a problem if it's another 2nd rounder. There were roughly a handful of guys at that 2nd round pick that could contribute *something* during the playoffs. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
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Super Mega Team Star Player
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Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Does that even matter?
Minutes weren't an issue until Stephenson got signed, as if he should be getting a lot of PT anyway. |
Lance’s argument is he is a vet that you can lean on in the playoffs. Bonga isn’t getting any PT, he’s a project. |
Well, that's my problem with drafting Bonga.
It's not a problem if it's another 2nd rounder. There were roughly a handful of guys at that 2nd round pick that could contribute *something* during the playoffs. |
I hear what you are saying, seems we didn’t draft BPA available here. Perhaps it’s a player you want to put in a trade? Is it someone the Spurs would like?
If you put yourself in the Lakers shoes and play Devil’s advocate, what would your best guess be? |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
give what a rest? 2018 Draft Thread....Svi, Melton, and Bonga all part of the 2018 NBA draft. |
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
did you read or hear this somewhere? |
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
Bonga or Melton? (I assume Bonga, just clarifying). _________________ Under New Management |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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adkindo wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
did you read or hear this somewhere? |
During the season they said they would for this year. It was a juicy talking point because Magic said that Luke told them it wasn’t needed - and Magic seemed a bit disappointed, and insisted they’d hire one this year |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
Bonga or Melton? (I assume Bonga, just clarifying). |
This is about Bonga. Melton’s new jumper is legit and I liked the form when clips came out a couple months ago ..I would have preferred Melton. In 2019 he’s going to be a legit good rotation piece |
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PlantedTanks Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
give what a rest? 2018 Draft Thread....Svi, Melton, and Bonga all part of the 2018 NBA draft. |
The poster made a simple statement about Melton. Why not answer the posters question? Because he knows Melton would not see the court much if at all this season.
Hard to swallow sometimes but that's the way I see it. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | adkindo wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
did you read or hear this somewhere? |
During the season they said they would for this year. It was a juicy talking point because Magic said that Luke told them it wasn’t needed - and Magic seemed a bit disappointed, and insisted they’d hire one this year |
it's needed... |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
Bonga or Melton? (I assume Bonga, just clarifying). |
This is about Bonga. Melton’s new jumper is legit and I liked the form when clips came out a couple months ago ..I would have preferred Melton. In 2019 he’s going to be a legit good rotation piece |
Gotcha. I legit like Bonga, but with the opportunity cost of limited picks, Melton seems clearly better short-term and even long-term when talking peak upside.
I'm having trouble thinking of a Bonga comp. Livingston was clearly better at everything by age and was the better athlete pre-injury. _________________ Under New Management |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | adkindo wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
give what a rest? 2018 Draft Thread....Svi, Melton, and Bonga all part of the 2018 NBA draft. |
The poster made a simple statement about Melton. Why not answer the posters question? Because he knows Melton would not see the court much if at all this season.
Hard to swallow sometimes but that's the way I see it. |
I just prefer to stuff the roster with as much talent and players that can contribute as possible....it is a long season, never know what will happen....but I do recall starting Caruso a lot last season....and guys like GPII getting playing time....and Hart having to play the #3 because of injuries, players waived, etc. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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OC Lakerfan wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Does that even matter?
Minutes weren't an issue until Stephenson got signed, as if he should be getting a lot of PT anyway. |
Lance’s argument is he is a vet that you can lean on in the playoffs. Bonga isn’t getting any PT, he’s a project. |
Well, that's my problem with drafting Bonga.
It's not a problem if it's another 2nd rounder. There were roughly a handful of guys at that 2nd round pick that could contribute *something* during the playoffs. |
I hear what you are saying, seems we didn’t draft BPA available here. Perhaps it’s a player you want to put in a trade? Is it someone the Spurs would like?
If you put yourself in the Lakers shoes and play Devil’s advocate, what would your best guess be? |
I mean, I've tried to think of what the best case scenario is, but unless you think Bonga is going to be the better playmaking Giannis, but smaller, I can't validate the pick. It's not just Melton either. Even Mitchell Robinson is legit at this pick. Bruce Brown. Jarred Vanderbilt does similar stuff like Bonga, just as young, but, better. (less healthy). KBD. Alize Johnson. The only guy of this group I'd pick 1st round is Melton, but mid 2nd? All these dudes are legit. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | lakersfan32 wrote: | Melton is averaging a team-high 16.5 points per game, to go along with 6.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 2.8 steals. "I didn’t think he can shoot; he can really shoot," D’Antoni said of Melton. "Now we all know, there’s summer league, there’s the preseason and there’s the regular season. You have to make three jumps. He made one jump, so we’ll see. He’s got good composure, plays good defense, has a good skill set, good instincts for the ball. There’s a lot of good positives."
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-see-signs-of-growth-from-young-players-in-13070496.php
Damn. |
Whoops lol
Next draft Lakers should draft the athletic 2 way guard who I have large reservations about. He'll probably be a star |
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Are there any guys in the 2019 draft who look like they might underwhelm me? I'm starting my big board early. |
I usually wait until the first month of the college season, but I think Ja Morant and Michael Weathers could be good bets for underrated stat sheet stuffing guards. |
Thanks, I'm already skeptical. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Mike@LG wrote: | I mean, I've tried to think of what the best case scenario is, but unless you think Bonga is going to be the better playmaking Giannis, but smaller, I can't validate the pick. It's not just Melton either. Even Mitchell Robinson is legit at this pick. Bruce Brown. Jarred Vanderbilt does similar stuff like Bonga, just as young, but, better. (less healthy). KBD. Alize Johnson. The only guy of this group I'd pick 1st round is Melton, but mid 2nd? All these dudes are legit. |
Robinson was off the board....but come on Mike....you do not think Robinson demonstrated 1st Round talent/abilities in summer league? |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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adkindo wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
@BVH....thoughts on Svi compared to Huerter? |
I'm not BVH, but thought I'd chime in -
Shortly before the draft when we were hearing Svi tore it up, I was starting to think he might be a poor man's version of Huerter. I think we got a discount Huerter but they're not totally comparable in my eyes.
The big difference to me is Huerter's definitely a better or more natural playmaker which was my favorite aspect of his game in tandem with his insane shooting. Svi actually looks like he might have a quicker shot release. Svi's a bit taller. Having a 6'8" guy who can shoot the way he does... I really overlooked him pre-draft.
Huerter's craftier, like BVH said I trust his ability to score at the rim a bit more. I might trust Svi's handle more than Huerter's. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
Bonga or Melton? (I assume Bonga, just clarifying). |
This is about Bonga. Melton’s new jumper is legit and I liked the form when clips came out a couple months ago ..I would have preferred Melton. In 2019 he’s going to be a legit good rotation piece |
Gotcha. I legit like Bonga, but with the opportunity cost of limited picks, Melton seems clearly better short-term and even long-term when talking peak upside.
I'm having trouble thinking of a Bonga comp. Livingston was clearly better at everything by age and was the better athlete pre-injury. |
He clearly was and that was why he was a lottery pick drafted 4th... |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | adkindo wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
Isn’t that Hart?
Where would his minutes come from? |
Where are Bonga's minutes coming from? |
Come on BVH. You need to give it a rest. |
give what a rest? 2018 Draft Thread....Svi, Melton, and Bonga all part of the 2018 NBA draft. |
The poster made a simple statement about Melton. Why not answer the posters question? Because he knows Melton would not see the court much if at all this season.
Hard to swallow sometimes but that's the way I see it. |
It's a rhetorical device to save me time and hopefully shock the poster to his/her senses.
Melton could have been the second or third best defender on the Lakers as a rookie (behind Ball and possibly McGee). Walton should get a guy like that minutes off the bench at one of the guard spots.
Like Bonga, who cares if Melton's rookie year minutes would be limited if in the long-run he provided a consistent positive impact? Svi might not also get many minutes this season, but if Hart can replace KCP and SVi replace Hart in 2019, how much money have the Lakers saved over retaining KCP? Similarly, if Melton could develop as a backup PG (in a Patrick Beverley fashion), how much money could the Lakers save over paying to retain Rondo or add a vet backup?
Obviously this is all dependent on any 2nd round picks becoming credible NBA rotation players. But hopefully that answered your question and is seen as completely unnecessary, obvious elicidation of what should've been self-evident. _________________ Under New Management |
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justsomelakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | lakersfan32 wrote: | Melton is averaging a team-high 16.5 points per game, to go along with 6.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 2.8 steals. "I didn’t think he can shoot; he can really shoot," D’Antoni said of Melton. "Now we all know, there’s summer league, there’s the preseason and there’s the regular season. You have to make three jumps. He made one jump, so we’ll see. He’s got good composure, plays good defense, has a good skill set, good instincts for the ball. There’s a lot of good positives."
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-see-signs-of-growth-from-young-players-in-13070496.php
Damn. |
Whoops lol
Next draft Lakers should draft the athletic 2 way guard who I have large reservations about. He'll probably be a star |
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Are there any guys in the 2019 draft who look like they might underwhelm me? I'm starting my big board early. |
I usually wait until the first month of the college season, but I think Ja Morant and Michael Weathers could be good bets for underrated stat sheet stuffing guards. |
Thanks, I'm already skeptical. |
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OC Lakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | If you can successfully overhaul his jumper in th next 2 years , with the shooting coach we’re supposedly hiring.. then it’s a very good pick. If you can’t fix his shooting..I’m not high on it —- but maybe he’s Livingston then..idk |
Bonga or Melton? (I assume Bonga, just clarifying). |
This is about Bonga. Melton’s new jumper is legit and I liked the form when clips came out a couple months ago ..I would have preferred Melton. In 2019 he’s going to be a legit good rotation piece |
Gotcha. I legit like Bonga, but with the opportunity cost of limited picks, Melton seems clearly better short-term and even long-term when talking peak upside.
I'm having trouble thinking of a Bonga comp. Livingston was clearly better at everything by age and was the better athlete pre-injury. |
He clearly was and that was why he was a lottery pick drafted 4th... |
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justsomelakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | I’m okay without Milton. We have Hart, Kcp, BI, and Svi who can all play the two. Svi is a sniper who does more than just shoot. |
Melton would be a combo-guard and cheap. |
@BVH....thoughts on Svi compared to Huerter? |
I'm not BVH, but thought I'd chime in -
Shortly before the draft when we were hearing Svi tore it up, I was starting to think he might be a poor man's version of Huerter. I think we got a discount Huerter but they're not totally comparable in my eyes.
The big difference to me is Huerter's definitely a better or more natural playmaker which was my favorite aspect of his game in tandem with his insane shooting. Svi actually looks like he might have a quicker shot release. Svi's a bit taller. Having a 6'8" guy who can shoot the way he does... I really overlooked him pre-draft.
Huerter's craftier, like BVH said I trust his ability to score at the rim a bit more. I might trust Svi's handle more than Huerter's. |
no, no, no....I said BVH! Just kidding! seems like logical comparisons....I liked Svi as a shooter in the draft, but I have been surprised how much more there has been to his game. I never saw that handle in college....also his release off movement seems quicker than it did in college....and he moves his feet on defense better than I expected. |
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