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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Why is Diallo so low in the mocks? Huge hops, 6'11" wingspan- seems like a good project to me. |
Because there's no skill/motor to go along with the athleticism. Totally inconsistent all year.
He was probably told, "He just needs a jumpshot," when really, it's off-ball defense, more range on the jumper, ball-handling, court awareness, passing...
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CBS mock has Troy Brown, Mitchell Robinson, Shake Milton, and De'Anthony Melton after Landry Shamet?
OK.
Don't get me wrong, I like Landry, but I think the guys listed above can do things on both ends of the floor more effectively.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | CBS mock has Troy Brown, Mitchell Robinson, Shake Milton, and De'Anthony Melton after Landry Shamet?
OK.
Don't get me wrong, I like Landry, but I think the guys listed above can do things on both ends of the floor more effectively. |
regardless of what happens there's gonna be some good picks at the cleveland slot...if we trade it away with luol to get space for randle i'd be happy, but if we kept it and got one of these guys i'd be happy too...
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| Robert Williams declares for the draft. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Robert Williams declares for the draft. |
I would not be very comfortable taking him in the lottery....guy just no shows too often. |
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| Shai looks like he is being bothered by the active defense of K State in this one. |
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| As usual, I have to give it up to Mike. Shai looked really mortal tonight against quicker defenders. |
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| If we didn't already have Ingram and Kuzma, I would consider drafting Kevin Knox if he fell to the late teens. |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Why is Diallo so low in the mocks? Huge hops, 6'11" wingspan- seems like a good project to me. |
because of that, he has been seen as a real project....he had not really shown his athleticism translate into improving his game until recently. I expect him to get a bump in mocks after last several games where he has shown significant progress. |
Man, if he is there with our pick I would take him in a second. If Luke and company can get him to use his hops and length on D he could be a real steal. |
Here’s a decent article about concerns about whether he can actually leverage his athleticism. No feel for the game and little understanding of basic defensive concepts.
LINK: The Stepien |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Why is Diallo so low in the mocks? Huge hops, 6'11" wingspan- seems like a good project to me. |
because of that, he has been seen as a real project....he had not really shown his athleticism translate into improving his game until recently. I expect him to get a bump in mocks after last several games where he has shown significant progress. |
Man, if he is there with our pick I would take him in a second. If Luke and company can get him to use his hops and length on D he could be a real steal. |
Here’s a decent article about concerns about whether he can actually leverage his athleticism. No feel for the game and little understanding of basic defensive concepts.
LINK: The Stepien |
fwiw, Cole has always been very low on Hamidou Diallo as he writes in this article last month....but in a recent podcast with Sam Vecenie, he seemed to soften his criticism as little basked on Diallo's late season/tournament play. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | If we didn't already have Ingram and Kuzma, I would consider drafting Kevin Knox if he fell to the late teens. |
I would still draft him if he fell that far, but he will not...Knox has weaknesses, but he is clearly a lottery talent. |
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Stepien mock is cool. I wouldn't have Knox in the 20s.
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| LakersMD wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Why is Diallo so low in the mocks? Huge hops, 6'11" wingspan- seems like a good project to me. |
because of that, he has been seen as a real project....he had not really shown his athleticism translate into improving his game until recently. I expect him to get a bump in mocks after last several games where he has shown significant progress. |
Man, if he is there with our pick I would take him in a second. If Luke and company can get him to use his hops and length on D he could be a real steal. |
Here’s a decent article about concerns about whether he can actually leverage his athleticism. No feel for the game and little understanding of basic defensive concepts.
LINK: The Stepien |
Thank you!
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| Good first half between Nova and West Virginia. Brunson looks smooth, and Carter is also looking pretty strong. |
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| Why isn't Konate on the draft board? |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Why isn't Konate on the draft board? |
Lack of perimeter skills. Can't dribble or pass. Able to hit from 15' but is reluctant to take the shot. Undersized 5. Probably needs another year of school. |
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| Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
I wouldn't draw too many conclusions on Carter based on that 2nd half. The referees managed to ruin the game for West Virginia. Brunson is a smooth kat, though. Wouldn't mind him with our pick (if we keep it) at all. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | If we didn't already have Ingram and Kuzma, I would consider drafting Kevin Knox if he fell to the late teens. |
I'd take him anyway. I'd basically debate Troy Brown and Zhaire Smith at the spot.
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Why isn't Konate on the draft board? |
Lack of perimeter skills. Can't dribble or pass. Able to hit from 15' but is reluctant to take the shot. Undersized 5. Probably needs another year of school. |
I think he should declare tbh. What else is he going to show if he stays at WV? A jumper? Unless he's got a 38% 3ball at the NCAA level next year...
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
still mad about him dropping 28 last weekend?  Brunson got very little on Carter....very little. Brunson racked up most of his points at the foul line and when Carter was moved off ball when he got in foul trouble. How many actual baskets did Brunson score on Carter? 1, maybe 2? |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
still mad about him dropping 28 last weekend? Brunson got very little on Carter....very little. Brunson racked up most of his points at the foul line and when Carter was moved off ball when he got in foul trouble. How many actual baskets did Brunson score on Carter? 1, maybe 2? |
If you're looking at just the 1 v 1 stuff and not seeing how Carter gave up post position on Brunson to within 5' of the paint, or Brunson doing a change of pace dribble, getting a step, and then jumped across Carter on the drive and kick, we're definitely not seeing the same game.
Brunson was his own 4-point play while Nova was catching up. It didn't bother Brunson that he didn't get the ball vs. full court press. By the time he got the ball in the halfcourt, he wrecked WV on those passes/drive kick.
That's how Spellman and Pascual got those open 3s. Nova runs NBA set stuff with NBA archetypes. The fact that Carter was the primary matchup, yet Brunson scored 27 on 15 shots and dominated the last 11 minutes of the game, told me everything about Brunson's control of the game, pace, play against pressure, decision making, shot accuracy, and aggression.
If you want to highlight Carter's man-defense, maybe just have him go 1v1 vs. Brunson without any team help, because that's what killed WV.
Also need to be mindful of scoring trends. Brunson had 16 in the 1st half (for him, that's a lot). He was shutdown for the next 10 minutes. That's when WV took the lead with a small margin. Then, Brunson basically had 11 points in the last 10 minutes of the game.
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Why isn't Konate on the draft board? |
Lack of perimeter skills. Can't dribble or pass. Able to hit from 15' but is reluctant to take the shot. Undersized 5. Probably needs another year of school. |
he is reluctant because he knows if he misses, Huggins will yank him....although Huggins has gave him a little more rope as the season progressed....but if it was up to Konate, he would have zero reluctance which is the problem...his dumb ass would be shooting from 26'....as he tried once or twice earlier in the season resulting in him getting benched the remainder of the game. Also, he has shown some decent passing ability, and actually made a couple really nice passes this game. In regards to dribbling....does Rudy Gobert or Clint Capella have great handles....it's just not really a skill I think benefits his game much. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
I wouldn't draw too many conclusions on Carter based on that 2nd half. The referees managed to ruin the game for West Virginia. Brunson is a smooth kat, though. Wouldn't mind him with our pick (if we keep it) at all. |
Seems like a typical Carter game to me tbh. He has his moments on defense. Can hit timely 3s. Had issues finishing in the paint. Not seen as a go-to scorer with drive and kick late in the game. Feel like I've seen this baseline Carter game multiple times this season, right down to the shooting.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Not a good finish for JeVon. Brunson gave him workm |
still mad about him dropping 28 last weekend? Brunson got very little on Carter....very little. Brunson racked up most of his points at the foul line and when Carter was moved off ball when he got in foul trouble. How many actual baskets did Brunson score on Carter? 1, maybe 2? |
If you're looking at just the 1 v 1 stuff and not seeing how Carter gave up post position on Brunson to within 5' of the paint, or Brunson doing a change of pace dribble, getting a step, and then jumped across Carter on the drive and kick, we're definitely not seeing the same game.
Brunson was his own 4-point play while Nova was catching up. It didn't bother Brunson that he didn't get the ball vs. full court press. By the time he got the ball in the halfcourt, he wrecked WV on those passes/drive kick.
That's how Spellman and Pascual got those open 3s. Nova runs NBA set stuff with NBA archetypes. The fact that Carter was the primary matchup, yet Brunson scored 27 on 15 shots and dominated the last 11 minutes of the game, told me everything about Brunson's control of the game, pace, play against pressure, decision making, shot accuracy, and aggression.
If you want to highlight Carter's man-defense, maybe just have him go 1v1 vs. Brunson without any team help, because that's what killed WV. |
seriously not wasting a second with you on this Mike....you exposed yourself last time with this nonsense. Carter was not the primary matchup for most of the game, nor was Carter the one that sent him to the line so many times, nor did he score often on Carter. I have no issue with anyone pointing out how well Brunson played....but his excellent play was not a result of taking it to Carter. |
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