A lot of people projected Brown to have a breakout season this season. But it didn't really happen considering he played more minutes and took more shots but recorded a worse percentage from both inside and outside of the arc. His free-throw percentage was also down. And then he missed Miami's final 12 games with a broken foot. All that said, though, the 6-3 guard remains worthy of a first-round flyer because he projects as the type of tough defender NBA franchises need on the perimeter.
Did you see Hal Greer (Marshall) passed away today? Hard to believe that legends such as Hot Rod Hundley (born in Charleston, drafted '57), Hal Greer (born in Huntington, drafted '58) and Jerry West (born in Chelyan, drafted in '60) were all hoopin' in Coal Country near the same time.
Man,....I didn't realize he passed. Damn shame. That is pretty crazy that they all came from home. Hal Greer BLVD will never be the same lol.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
So much switch ability. So little shooting 😔
Kuzma is a great shooter and Ingram improved big time this year especially from 3. Zo will improve with more added core strength and confidence growth. Brown seems like he will show improved shooting in the combine/workouts like Kuzma did when he wasn't a good shooter in Utah either. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:13 pm Post subject:
Luminous8 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
CBS Sports Parrish Updated Mock
Quote:
25 LAKERS
Pick acquired from Cleveland
Bruce Brown | Miami | Soph | SG
A lot of people projected Brown to have a breakout season this season. But it didn't really happen considering he played more minutes and took more shots but recorded a worse percentage from both inside and outside of the arc. His free-throw percentage was also down. And then he missed Miami's final 12 games with a broken foot. All that said, though, the 6-3 guard remains worthy of a first-round flyer because he projects as the type of tough defender NBA franchises need on the perimeter.
makes you scratch your head when you notice his 26th (Zhaire Smith) and 27th (D'Anthony Melton) picks.
Bruce Brown is a good pick. He's right there in line with a Melton IMO. But if Zhaire is there and we pass 🙃
I loved Brown last summer....but he just did not look great this season....but yeah, no way I am taking Brown over Zhaire....but I would expect Zhaire will not still be in the draft if he feels he would fall that far.
Keep in mind the 3 teams with the best chance at the title (TOR, HOU, GSW)
all have non 3 point shooting centers- If mitchell robinson is there you take him- Clint Capella dominates at what he does- doesn't shoot at all.
Zo would lead the league is assists with Clint at center...
Each of those teams have the 3-point shooters to compensate, especially Houston and GSW.
keep in mind Golden State also doesn't have a three point shooting Power forward. Draymond had one good year as a three point shooter, but has been horrid every other year to below average.
But he makes up for it with his defense.
Houston does have a three point shooting power forward.
Both can be successful if they have the skills to compensate for what they don't do.
That's why it's never an absolute.
However the constant is that they have three point shooting from 1-3 for sure.
For the Lakers, like I said, I'd start Kuzma and Ingram at the 2 and 3 together and Lonzo at the 1. But I'd have Ingram's role be the point guard role he played, where he and Lonzo can trade off basketball handling responsibilities to utilize the other off ball. I think that most definitely could work. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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What is it that you guys like so much about Hutchison?
Have you actually watched him play? I have and I am not seeing him as the right pick at all. But maybe I just saw some bad games. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
Did you see Hal Greer (Marshall) passed away today? Hard to believe that legends such as Hot Rod Hundley (born in Charleston, drafted '57), Hal Greer (born in Huntington, drafted '58) and Jerry West (born in Chelyan, drafted in '60) were all hoopin' in Coal Country near the same time.
All three guys (even Hundley as a collegian) were fantastic players.
My dad saw Jerry West play at the LA Sports Arena with WVU in the last 50's and said it was ridiculous how a 6-4 guy kept tipping in seemingly every missed shot for his team. After that, West was always my Dad's guy. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
Every champion has had either a dominant center or at least one elite shooter except for the 2004 Pistons.
We need to work on acquiring at least one of those.
"Center" is such an elastic term now though.
Recently, Warriors had Bogut/Zaza. Cavs had Tristan.
Shooting is probably a must today, and I'd argue multi positional defenders over a traditional big man center.
I respect all the long time posters who have made a long commitment to studying the draft. I admit I only watch the pro players, and only follow closely during the tournament and read scouting reports and watch highlight clips.
However, I'm just not sold on a team composed only of superior athletes, positionless players, with no go to superstar scorer or shooters.
I think we have the framework for a winning team... the missing piece is the scoring. I just feel we have no one who can put it the net consistently, and that is what I want us to acquire, as well as a rim protector if we don't sign Brook.
The rim protector at #25 may be possible, but doesn't seem likely in this draft which is top heavy with bigs, but thins out quickly after the lottery (Gafford didn't declare, Robinson has lottery upside with good workouts, Porter and Tillie are highly skilled, but not rim protectors, and McCoy is Okafor-ish). The star scorer isn't ever likely to be found outside of the lottery, and the Lakers may have already lucked out and found that player in Kuzma last year.
The Lakers should go BPA and hope they uncover the next Jimmy Butler or pre-injury IT, which could be guys like Ponds, Hutchinson, or who knows. But team needs are shooting everywhere, especially at center (Porter), rim protection (Robinson), wing defense (Evans, Melton) or combo-guard playmaking/scoring (Shamet, Brunson, Brown, Alkins, Holiday) to help round out the roster while developing Kuz, BI, Randle, and Zo as stars and pursuing established stars in free agency.
At #25 the draft is mostly deep with guards who can play off of Zo, so that's where I suspect the Lakers will go in June.
Checking out some of the euros......this guy Rodions Kurucs looks pretty darn good. 6'9" fairly agile and looks like he has a little dog in him. Repeatable shot as well. Would not be disappointed with him at 25 as a back up to Ingram.
He's a guy I liked a lot last year before he withdrew, and while he didn't blow up as expected this year, he's only 20 and has a legit handle and ability to hit off the bounce with a solid frame, athleticism, and shooting form. I like him a bit better than Musa who is solidly mocked in the 1st round, but Kurucs is a bit more of a gamble even at #25 - there's some real Hedo to his game, but he may end up a total sieve on defense against NBA athletes and his shot won't progress enough to ever be a net positive player. I really hope he comes in and works out for the Lakers if he's serious about coming over right away (I don't know his contract situation).
Every champion has had either a dominant center or at least one elite shooter except for the 2004 Pistons.
We need to work on acquiring at least one of those.
"Center" is such an elastic term now though.
Recently, Warriors had Bogut/Zaza. Cavs had Tristan.
Shooting is probably a must today, and I'd argue multi positional defenders over a traditional big man center.
I respect all the long time posters who have made a long commitment to studying the draft. I admit I only watch the pro players, and only follow closely during the tournament and read scouting reports and watch highlight clips.
However, I'm just not sold on a team composed only of superior athletes, positionless players, with no go to superstar scorer or shooters.
I think we have the framework for a winning team... the missing piece is the scoring. I just feel we have no one who can put it the net consistently, and that is what I want us to acquire, as well as a rim protector if we don't sign Brook.
The rim protector at #25 may be possible, but doesn't seem likely in this draft which is top heavy with bigs, but thins out quickly after the lottery (Gafford didn't declare, Robinson has lottery upside with good workouts, Porter and Tillie are highly skilled, but not rim protectors, and McCoy is Okafor-ish). The star scorer isn't ever likely to be found outside of the lottery, and the Lakers may have already lucked out and found that player in Kuzma last year.
The Lakers should go BPA and hope they uncover the next Jimmy Butler or pre-injury IT, which could be guys like Ponds, Hutchinson, or who knows. But team needs are shooting everywhere, especially at center (Porter), rim protection (Robinson), wing defense (Evans, Melton) or combo-guard playmaking/scoring (Shamet, Brunson, Brown, Alkins, Holiday) to help round out the roster while developing Kuz, BI, Randle, and Zo as stars and pursuing established stars in free agency.
At #25 the draft is mostly deep with guards who can play off of Zo, so that's where I suspect the Lakers will go in June.
I want Shamet and Konate if he declares... don't mind Brunson or Holiday.
I'd rather the pick go #1 to Philly then 2 or 3 to Boston
You'd rather entice Lebron to go to Philly even more by giving them a free DeAndre Ayton?
I don't think Philly drafts Ayton.
I think they'd trade to the 3rd pick to Dallas while also taking Yogi off their hands in the process and draft Jaren Jackson Jr.
Or they'd take Doncic and have two 6'10 freak, elite passing point forwards to go along with Embiid.
No thanks to that
Doncic isn't 6'10 - he's really just 6'8 - but he still would be a perfect fit in Philly - like Lonzo with a bit less passing, but much better scoring skills out of the PnR.
What is it that you guys like so much about Hutchison?
Have you actually watched him play? I have and I am not seeing him as the right pick at all. But maybe I just saw some bad games.
Which games did you see? What didn't you like about him?
I see an obvious NBA athlete with solid SF measurements who can attack closeouts along the baseline (both as a finisher and passer), flies down the court in transition, rebounds nicely above his weight class, and can hit threes off the catch. He faded a bit to end this year as a primary option surrounded by a not great roster, but I'd bet on him fitting in as a pro role-player while having a tiny tinge of star upside that's rare to find at pick #25. I liken him a bit to Corey Brewer with a better shooting profile.
Of course, his mediocre career FT shooting and turnovers are red flags, and I haven't seen stats for how he finished at the rim against lower competition. But the dude gets up a good amount of threes and gets to the line a bunch (.571 FTR) and seems to really fit on this team as a transition scorer.
Idk, I think he should be a solid late-teens, early 20s pick in this draft, and I'd be very happy if he fell to #25.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
Did you see Hal Greer (Marshall) passed away today? Hard to believe that legends such as Hot Rod Hundley (born in Charleston, drafted '57), Hal Greer (born in Huntington, drafted '58) and Jerry West (born in Chelyan, drafted in '60) were all hoopin' in Coal Country near the same time.
All three guys (even Hundley as a collegian) were fantastic players.
My dad saw Jerry West play at the LA Sports Arena with WVU in the last 50's and said it was ridiculous how a 6-4 guy kept tipping in seemingly every missed shot for his team. After that, West was always my Dad's guy.
My uncle raised me so he's basically the equivalent of my father and has for years listened to my obsession with the Lakers and always picked at me joking against them. I've always known he was a fan of the local guys (Hot Rod, West, Greer, MDA, Randy Moss in football, White Chocolate etc) but I just recently found out that he grew up a Laker fan and rooted for them throughout his entire youth. Great stuff.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
Troy has better PG instincts and a much better defensive player.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
Troy has better PG instincts and a much better defensive player.
I don't recall Turner as a freshman at OSU. But he was a damn solid creator as a sophomore and junior.
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
Currently Brown is projected around 20-23rd pick.
We have seen players from 14th or 15th pick drop far these last several years.
True, and NBA front offices overvalue and undervalue guys in ways that surprise me every year. I still don't get the love for Justin Jackson and Tyler Lydon last year, for example.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:22 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Christopher Walken wrote:
Keep in mind the 3 teams with the best chance at the title (TOR, HOU, GSW)
all have non 3 point shooting centers- If mitchell robinson is there you take him- Clint Capella dominates at what he does- doesn't shoot at all.
Zo would lead the league is assists with Clint at center...
Each of those teams have the 3-point shooters to compensate, especially Houston and GSW.
keep in mind Golden State also doesn't have a three point shooting Power forward. Draymond had one good year as a three point shooter, but has been horrid every other year to below average.
But he makes up for it with his defense.
Houston does have a three point shooting power forward.
Both can be successful if they have the skills to compensate for what they don't do.
That's why it's never an absolute.
However the constant is that they have three point shooting from 1-3 for sure.
For the Lakers, like I said, I'd start Kuzma and Ingram at the 2 and 3 together and Lonzo at the 1. But I'd have Ingram's role be the point guard role he played, where he and Lonzo can trade off basketball handling responsibilities to utilize the other off ball. I think that most definitely could work.
GSW plays Durant at 4 in some death lineups... _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:26 pm Post subject:
LakerLanny wrote:
What is it that you guys like so much about Hutchison?
Have you actually watched him play? I have and I am not seeing him as the right pick at all. But maybe I just saw some bad games.
Halfcourt athleticism
Straight line drives with Eurostep
Can finish at wide angles
Drive/kick playmaking
Moves ball without being a ball hog. Was an issue at the beginning of the season, not towards the end.
Synergy has him as an average to above average defender, generally speaking.
3-point shot basically improved as the year went on, but projects to be a 35% 3pt guy that can get hot
Grab and go
25% DReb
24% assist rate on Boise St.
I thought you didn't like him because he lit up San Diego St for 44.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Megaton wrote:
I didn't realize Troy Brown Jr was a freshman. I thought he was a junior or senior for some reason. And he's apparently one of the younger freshmen in this class too.
Man I would be so pumped as all hell if we get him.
Brown
Zo
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle
So many playmakers....
I'd love Tony Brown. No way he falls to #25 barring injury concerns. Evan Turner with a 3pt jumper is a legit good role-player starter.
Troy has better PG instincts and a much better defensive player.
I don't recall Turner as a freshman at OSU. But he was a damn solid creator as a sophomore and junior.
Smooth and long-limbed at the 2 slot at OSU. Thought he'd end up like a "smooth" Eddie Jones w playmaking. I don't know who this midrange gunner at Portland is.
But yeah, I keep putting Troy on my board even when I doubt he'll slip because that dude is a legit PG and doesn't have to be a ball-dominant player to act like one. I'm just mildly hoping he slips because of perceived lack of athleticism and lack of great shooting touch. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
This article is about the 2015 draft class and a little bit off topic. But it shows how difficult it is to make right selections. There is a good chance you do not find a contributor at #25, let alone #47.
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