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adkindo
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NBA "Consensus" Lottery Mock Draft
No. 1 (Suns): Ayton (7)
No. 2 (Kings): Doncic (7)
No. 3 (Hawks): Bagley III (7)
No. 4 (Grizzlies): Jackson, Jr. (5)
No. 5 (Mavericks): Bamba (5)
No. 6 (Magic): Young (5)
No. 7 (Bulls): Bamba (3)
No. 8 (Cavaliers): Porter, Mikal Bridges (2)
No. 9 (Knicks): Carter (3)
No. 10 (76ers): Mikal Bridges (4)
No. 11 (Hornets): Miles Bridges (5)
No. 12 (Clippers): Sexton (3)
No. 13 (Clippers): Williams (4)
No. 14 (Nuggets): Walker (3)
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| adkindo wrote: | | lonzobryant wrote: | | Let's say we did trade up. Do you value Mitchell Robinson more than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander? I've wanted to pair SGA and Lonzo since watching him play at Kentucky. |
I personally do...think Robinson has higher ceiling....but it's close for me because I do think SGA has a solid chance at being a good NBA player with the right development and opportunity. |
I think much higher of Robinson than SGA. I'm very high on Mich and bot a very big fan at all of SGA. Don't see the appeal. Not a very good shooter, slow pace, not necessarily a true point guard, okay Defender. Just doesn't have anything that stands out to me besides his height |
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| adkindo wrote: |
sadly in agreement does not make you correct.....Bagley has shown to be poor on defense....but he has the size, athleticism, strength and speed to help offset the lack of development on defense. Those traits will literally allow him to simply get in the way enough to be an obstacle, and make it much more likely he will develop into an adequate defender. In contrast if Young does not develop excellent technique and have superior defensive instincts, he does not have the physical traits to fall back on to provide any deterrence.
I love watching Young play basketball....have all season....but when many of you were claiming he was a lock as a top 3 or top 5 pick earlier in year, I warned that I thought it was highly likely he would slip because the issues that are more likely to come from his slight frame. Also, he had some good games, but that kid was never the same mentally after the Jevon Carter game....always looked less sure from that night. I do not know for sure where he will be drafted, but I have not seen him as a Top 5 in most mocks in a while, and even will not be shocked if Sexton and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander come off the board before him. |
Certainly Bagley has more upside to improve as a defender, but I'm arguing that big man defense is far more important than big man offense while guard/initiator offense is far more important than guard/point of attack defense. So I don't care if Young remains an inadequate defender just as I don't care if Lillard, Harden, Irving, etc. are sub-par defenders, but if Bagley doesn't defend, he's going to contribute to more defensive breakdowns than potentially his offense will be worth.
Anyway, I still see Young as a lock top 5 pick, and if teams want to draft for need because they undervalue Young and/or overvalue their current starting PGs, I expect they'll come to regret it over time. |
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adkindo
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
sadly in agreement does not make you correct.....Bagley has shown to be poor on defense....but he has the size, athleticism, strength and speed to help offset the lack of development on defense. Those traits will literally allow him to simply get in the way enough to be an obstacle, and make it much more likely he will develop into an adequate defender. In contrast if Young does not develop excellent technique and have superior defensive instincts, he does not have the physical traits to fall back on to provide any deterrence.
I love watching Young play basketball....have all season....but when many of you were claiming he was a lock as a top 3 or top 5 pick earlier in year, I warned that I thought it was highly likely he would slip because the issues that are more likely to come from his slight frame. Also, he had some good games, but that kid was never the same mentally after the Jevon Carter game....always looked less sure from that night. I do not know for sure where he will be drafted, but I have not seen him as a Top 5 in most mocks in a while, and even will not be shocked if Sexton and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander come off the board before him. |
Certainly Bagley has more upside to improve as a defender, but I'm arguing that big man defense is far more important than big man offense while guard/initiator offense is far more important than guard/point of attack defense. So I don't care if Young remains an inadequate defender just as I don't care if Lillard, Harden, Irving, etc. are sub-par defenders, but if Bagley doesn't defend, he's going to contribute to more defensive breakdowns than potentially his offense will be worth.
Anyway, I still see Young as a lock top 5 pick, and if teams want to draft for need because they undervalue Young and/or overvalue their current starting PGs, I expect they'll come to regret it over time. |
my gut says he likely will not get past #6 just because I am very aware of his star power....and I know the Magic need a real ticket seller.....but then again, their new GM is famous for valuing athleticism and size...so that could prevent it if he has final word. |
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| Quote: | | but he has the size, athleticism, strength and speed to help offset the lack of development on defense. |
Marqueese Chriss
Nerlens Noel
Bismack Biyombo
Kwame Brown
Stromile Swift
Kelvin Cato
Off the top my head. Great athletes, varying size/athletic attributes, that could have learned to offset the lack of development on defense...
If anything, it's just sad.
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | lonzobryant wrote: | | Let's say we did trade up. Do you value Mitchell Robinson more than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander? I've wanted to pair SGA and Lonzo since watching him play at Kentucky. |
I personally do...think Robinson has higher ceiling....but it's close for me because I do think SGA has a solid chance at being a good NBA player with the right development and opportunity. |
I think much higher of Robinson than SGA. I'm very high on Mich and bot a very big fan at all of SGA. Don't see the appeal. Not a very good shooter, slow pace, not necessarily a true point guard, okay Defender. Just doesn't have anything that stands out to me besides his height |
I don't like SGA's pace, but at least the dude can see the floor and get deflections out there. Weird spacing in Kentucky.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
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| noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
So, this pretty much puts him on the Lakers' no draft list, right?
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| Cavs could trade with phx give them love and the pick for the number one. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
So, this pretty much puts him on the Lakers' no draft list, right? |
No I'm not saying that, I'm just curious what or who is in his head? |
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Mike@LG
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| noahp45 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
So, this pretty much puts him on the Lakers' no draft list, right? |
No I'm not saying that, I'm just curious what or who is in his head? |
Well, people have been disagreeing with what I think of the situation, but I swear it's always 1 dude a year.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
So, this pretty much puts him on the Lakers' no draft list, right? |
No I'm not saying that, I'm just curious what or who is in his head? |
Well, people have been disagreeing with what I think of the situation, but I swear it's always 1 dude a year. |
I don't think it necessarily puts him on there no draft list. If they are very high on him I already just threw videos they could very well just go ahead and get him in for an individual workout or they would also get individual interviews with him. From there they would do their due diligence. They are a lot smarter about this process than we are, they want make a decision based on social media accounts and whether or not a player skips the combine. Way too many assumptions there. |
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I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude.
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
So, this pretty much puts him on the Lakers' no draft list, right? |
No I'm not saying that, I'm just curious what or who is in his head? |
Well, people have been disagreeing with what I think of the situation, but I swear it's always 1 dude a year. |
I don't think it necessarily puts him on there no draft list. If they are very high on him I already just threw videos they could very well just go ahead and get him in for an individual workout or they would also get individual interviews with him. From there they would do their due diligence. They are a lot smarter about this process than we are, they want make a decision based on social media accounts and whether or not a player skips the combine. Way too many assumptions there. |
But I do agree that if they were going to fall in love with one of the centers in this draft based on past draft track record odds are quarter is the guy. He is my personal 1B at the center position with Robinson |
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I think Porter makes the most sense with what the Lakers' draft philosophy is, with some athleticism untapped by age.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
What strategy is he using? I missed your earlier post if you already commented on it. |
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| noahp45 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Jonathan Givony
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Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination. |
This dude makes some questionable choices. Going to a small college for his godfather and now this. |
someone is trying to hide something. gotta pass on this. if he were a consensus top pick, i could understand this, but he's far form it. |
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| lonzobryant wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
What strategy is he using? I missed your earlier post if you already commented on it. |
Every year there's something. It's always a guy that builds up hype late like Bynum and Giannis, or avoids workouts so that the public builds the hype of a player, (happened with Bynum). So all the public is left with are highlight YT reels. At least I think Giannis had team workouts. Bynum had 1 gym workout in front of multiple teams and it was gauged on skill by age.... Unsure if he had a medical report too.
This only works with guys like KAT or Fultz where dudes only take on 1 or 2 workouts at most, but at least they interview. Robinson shut everything down.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | If our recent history is any predictor, the Lakers will probably go after a guy that played more than 1 year in college with this late 1st. Someone that can make a more immediate impact rather than a project.
Clarkson
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But that's also a function of most older college guys falling to the late-1st and early-2nd. Bryant had two years of experience, but was only 20 and Zu was 19 years old with half a season of high level experience overseas. |
and those 2 happen to be our worst late round picks of recent history. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
yeah, saw it last year when Lonzo was a complete no show at the combine. |
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| adkindo wrote: | NBA "Consensus" Lottery Mock Draft
No. 1 (Suns): Ayton (7)
No. 2 (Kings): Doncic (7)
No. 3 (Hawks): Bagley III (7)
No. 4 (Grizzlies): Jackson, Jr. (5)
No. 5 (Mavericks): Bamba (5)
No. 6 (Magic): Young (5)
No. 7 (Bulls): Bamba (3)
No. 8 (Cavaliers): Porter, Mikal Bridges (2)
No. 9 (Knicks): Carter (3)
No. 10 (76ers): Mikal Bridges (4)
No. 11 (Hornets): Miles Bridges (5)
No. 12 (Clippers): Sexton (3)
No. 13 (Clippers): Williams (4)
No. 14 (Nuggets): Walker (3)
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For some strange reason I feel like Bagley is destined to go to the Kings |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
Why do you think they pulled him out? Hed get exposed? |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
yeah, saw it last year when Lonzo was a complete no show at the combine. |
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This only works with guys like KAT or Fultz where dudes only take on 1 or 2 workouts at most, but at least they interview. Robinson shut everything down. |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
Why do you think they pulled him out? Hed get exposed? |
bingo. he looks good on paper, but maybe he'd falter on the court. he hasn't played against reasonable competition in a while if i recall. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | I've seen this strategy happen before, way before twitter and FB were this big, but okay dude. |
yeah, saw it last year when Lonzo was a complete no show at the combine. |
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This only works with guys like KAT or Fultz where dudes only take on 1 or 2 workouts at most, [b]but at least they interview. Robinson shut everything down.[/b] |
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Lonzo didnt.....he did not show up. Fultz showed up and did some measurements and interviews. Also, you mentioned Bynum....but think it worked out pretty well for him, no? |
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