I don't know how anyone can have a strong opinion about him since he hasn't played in a high-level, competitive game. He definitely pops in terms of his combination of size/athleticism/coordination though.
thanks its weird there is rumor that we promised him @25
I don't know how anyone can have a strong opinion about him since he hasn't played in a high-level, competitive game. He definitely pops in terms of his combination of size/athleticism/coordination though.
thanks its weird there is rumor that we promised him @25
The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't put it past the Lakers' Front Office to work out a guy like him in secret. But yeah...if you haven't seen a guy play in a competitive game and you haven't worked him out, you're not gonna give him a promise.
And even if they did work him out, it would have to be an AMAZING workout to give him a promise considering his history. I don't buy it, but stranger things have happened.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:10 pm Post subject:
2019 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Melvin Frazier for me at #25.
High upside pick. Real high upside.
Agreed. Could be a stud switch 3 and D guy or a poor decision-making, TO prone, 1-way defender. Big variance.
Bigger Iman Shumpert (pre-injury)?
Kind of. Feels difficult to put a solid comp off the top of my head. Iman just couldn't hack playing PG at Georgia Tech, but the Iman Shumpert comp for the archetypes works. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject:
GoldenThroat wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Melvin Frazier for me at #25.
High upside pick. Real high upside.
Agreed. Could be a stud switch 3 and D guy or a poor decision-making, TO prone, 1-way defender. Big variance.
Yup well put. His upside is one of the best defenders in the league who defends 4 damn positions well. And offensively he can handle but that will be a gift or a curse. His jumper form is bad but he has touch 38%
Not too many guys with a 40"+ vert and 7'+ wingspan.
He actually uses it too. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I don't think Ayton should be as highly regarded as he is.
Why?
I think he's a bad defender, mostly.
Gotcha. Yeah, his awareness is really poor and it's going to make him unplayable in a playoff series. Where would you draft him if you were a GM?
I don't like answering this, because there's no depth to my knowledge of the top picks. I have a very superficial understanding of their games.
I really like Jaren Jackson. I'd do a ton of homework about his work ethic if I was a GM, and if it came back that he was a hard worker who genuinely loves the game, I'd draft him #1. Doncic would be #2, or #1 if the reports on JJJ's work ethic were lukewarm. I like Trae Young as well, although he has bigger defensive concerns, but at a less important defensive position. I'd probably have Bamba ahead of him as well. So 5th or 6th, depending on how Porter looks these days?
Again...superficial knowledge here, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject:
^More or less, that's pretty much Draft twitter Top 5, but I even got some grief for considering Bamba at #3, even with Drew Hanlen as his trainer and a revamped shot. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I don't think Ayton should be as highly regarded as he is.
Why?
I think he's a bad defender, mostly.
Gotcha. Yeah, his awareness is really poor and it's going to make him unplayable in a playoff series. Where would you draft him if you were a GM?
I don't like answering this, because there's no depth to my knowledge of the top picks. I have a very superficial understanding of their games.
I really like Jaren Jackson. I'd do a ton of homework about his work ethic if I was a GM, and if it came back that he was a hard worker who genuinely loves the game, I'd draft him #1. Doncic would be #2, or #1 if the reports on JJJ's work ethic were lukewarm. I like Trae Young as well, although he has bigger defensive concerns, but at a less important defensive position. I'd probably have Bamba ahead of him as well. So 5th or 6th, depending on how Porter looks these days?
Again...superficial knowledge here, so take it with a grain of salt.
That's basically what I have and your first impressions can often be right on point before getting too lost in the weeds. Most GMs won't have the chutzpah or job security to do so, but it feels like a draft where the top teams should trade back after Doncic and JJJ are gone to gain future draft assets, especially if Young falls.
Pre Draft scrimmage with some of the prospects and Thomas Bryant:
Damn, I don't think Thomas Bryant is even close to being ready to have consistent minutes in the league. He doesn't look like a guy that's been in the NBA for a year, doesn't stand out at all.
Pre Draft scrimmage with some of the prospects and Thomas Bryant:
Damn, I don't think Thomas Bryant is even close to being ready to have consistent minutes in the league. He doesn't look like a guy that's been in the NBA for a year, doesn't stand out at all.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject:
Endless3D wrote:
Pre Draft scrimmage with some of the prospects and Thomas Bryant:
Damn, I don't think Thomas Bryant is even close to being ready to have consistent minutes in the league. He doesn't look like a guy that's been in the NBA for a year, doesn't stand out at all.
Appreciate the vid, but I love the Glen Davis sighting. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I don't think Ayton should be as highly regarded as he is.
Why?
I think he's a bad defender, mostly.
Gotcha. Yeah, his awareness is really poor and it's going to make him unplayable in a playoff series. Where would you draft him if you were a GM?
I don't like answering this, because there's no depth to my knowledge of the top picks. I have a very superficial understanding of their games.
I really like Jaren Jackson. I'd do a ton of homework about his work ethic if I was a GM, and if it came back that he was a hard worker who genuinely loves the game, I'd draft him #1. Doncic would be #2, or #1 if the reports on JJJ's work ethic were lukewarm. I like Trae Young as well, although he has bigger defensive concerns, but at a less important defensive position. I'd probably have Bamba ahead of him as well. So 5th or 6th, depending on how Porter looks these days?
Again...superficial knowledge here, so take it with a grain of salt.
I don't know how anyone can have a strong opinion about him since he hasn't played in a high-level, competitive game. He definitely pops in terms of his combination of size/athleticism/coordination though.
thanks its weird there is rumor that we promised him @25
The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't put it past the Lakers' Front Office to work out a guy like him in secret. But yeah...if you haven't seen a guy play in a competitive game and you haven't worked him out, you're not gonna give him a promise.
And even if they did work him out, it would have to be an AMAZING workout to give him a promise considering his history. I don't buy it, but stranger things have happened.
All I’ve seen is a few YouTube highlight videos of him and a workout video somebody else posted on here. Based on that, I think he could’ve put together a workout good enough to get a promise from the Lakers. Many knowledgeable people have him going top 20 after all.
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Pre Draft scrimmage with some of the prospects and Thomas Bryant:
Damn, I don't think Thomas Bryant is even close to being ready to have consistent minutes in the league. He doesn't look like a guy that's been in the NBA for a year, doesn't stand out at all.
T.Byrant giving 60% effort is going to be the slowest laterally moving player on a court..so.. not much we can really take from this
I don't think Ayton should be as highly regarded as he is.
Why?
I think he's a bad defender, mostly.
Gotcha. Yeah, his awareness is really poor and it's going to make him unplayable in a playoff series. Where would you draft him if you were a GM?
I may die on Ayton hill but if I’m a coach, I’m begging my GM to give me a chance to mold this kid into a player. This draft has a bunch of bigs with crazy potential and with Aytons size and athleticism, I think he has as much as anybody with a high floor. Teaching interior defensive rotations is much easier than teaching a guard how to rotate. Especially when the interior defender is a mobile 7’ w a 40+ inch vert. He’s raw and averaged 20/10/2 blocks in college. He’ll struggle in PnR but I don’t see him as a liability. Don’t see him ever being unplayable.
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