Official 2018 NBA Draft Thread: Lakers select Moe Wagner (#25), Isaac Bonga (#39), and Svi Mykhailiuk (#47) - see 1st page for draft links
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:39 pm    Post subject:

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Anyone have their ideas for #47? Working on a list of guys right now..

Carsen Edwards
Jalen Hudson
Bruce Brown
Alize Johnson
Allonzo Trier
Landry Shamet


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what do u think of Mitchell Robinson , GT?


I don't know how anyone can have a strong opinion about him since he hasn't played in a high-level, competitive game. He definitely pops in terms of his combination of size/athleticism/coordination though.


thanks its weird there is rumor that we promised him @25


The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't put it past the Lakers' Front Office to work out a guy like him in secret. But yeah...if you haven't seen a guy play in a competitive game and you haven't worked him out, you're not gonna give him a promise.

And even if they did work him out, it would have to be an AMAZING workout to give him a promise considering his history. I don't buy it, but stranger things have happened.


He just doesn't strike me as a Laker pick. Obviously Im a big Robinson supporter, but if I'm.trying to get in the mind of the LaL front office, just seems like there are A Lot of guys who would be ahead of him. One thing I did think though, was that in interviews I've heard from him, he did actually seem pretty well spoken and humble. Much more intelligent than people give him.credit for. His biggest problem.is his family loyalty.

Like yourself, I just can't see it.


Maybe the Lakers have such a reputation that teams would want to know who they liked and steal their pick. So maybe this is a smoke screen.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 3:54 am    Post subject:

Carsen Edwards - Strong Jordan Farmar, better shooter
Jalen Hudson - Allen Crabbe
Bruce Brown - late blooming UCLA Russell Westbrook, 8/10 athl
Alize Johnson- Poor man's Royce White
Allonzo Trier - Dillon Brooks
Landry Shamet - Wayne Ellington

Isaac Bonga - Billy Owens + athl
Kostas Antetokounmpo - Christian Wood without shooting
Rodions Kurucs -N/A
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - Anthony Parker or Sergei Karasev
Shake Milton - Tony Snell
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject:

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Bamba is ahead of Jjj defensive footwork right now. Jjj jumps into his close outs instead of chopping his steps. It’s something that can be fixed easily but I’d be working hard on footwork if I’m Jjj.

I really like Alize Johnson too

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:20 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Carsen Edwards - Strong Jordan Farmar, better shooter
Jalen Hudson - Allen Crabbe
Bruce Brown - late blooming UCLA Russell Westbrook, 8/10 athl
Alize Johnson- Poor man's Royce White
Allonzo Trier - Dillon Brooks
Landry Shamet - Wayne Ellington

Isaac Bonga - Billy Owens + athl
Kostas Antetokounmpo - Christian Wood without shooting
Rodions Kurucs -N/A
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - Anthony Parker or Sergei Karasev
Shake Milton - Tony Snell


I like most of these, though I still see Shamet as another Seth Curry and Svi as another Sasha Pavlovic.
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As an Italian, I take personal offense to DiVincenzo being compared to Delly!

Delly is a significantly below-average NBA athlete, especially at his position. There will be no such issues with Donte.


I think Divincenzo's flaw is really just his size. He's 6'3 1/2" but the 6' 6" wingspan and 8' 1 1/2" reach make him more of the comparable to a 6' 2" guy. It looks like he's got a large head for his height.

He's 6'4.5


6'3 1/2" is his without shoes height. Point is he's got the length of a shorter player but makes up for some of it wit hthe athleticism.



6'3.5 is a halfway decent height without shoes for a SG. .25' taller than DLo, Clarkson , Beal. Inch taller than Harris. It's really the length that's absolutely terrible for SG, 8'1.5 reach 6'6ws is average for a PG


That for me.is the biggest problem. None of those guys have the size to play defense. Beal probably the closest. Offensively Beal gets it done, but he's MUCH more dynamic offensively than DD will EVER be. I'm just not able to trust the kid. If we draft him, then I'll trust him because our FO does. Until then, no go. Second round.


Goes against my ethos in terms of -- if he and Hart are your SG/SF in a lineup, then you're very small at both positions ..one wing position being small I'm ok.


Same. Josh Hart can hold his own as a 3, but he's always going to be smaller and struggle to contest shots against guys 3-4 inches taller than him.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:27 am    Post subject:

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Anyone think Simons can drop to round 2?


It's certainly possible, but I don't see how a team could feel good about needing to make a decision on him after having him for only 2 years, which is what happens with 2nd Round picks. You almost need to make the commitment to having him in your program for 4 years, which you get for 1st Round selections. So I'm guessing that a team will end up taking him somewhere in the 20's, and perhaps it will be a team that has multiple 1st Rounders like Atlanta.


But that release, range and name.
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Great scouting video with PPP #s in every facet on Jacob Evans

Good numbers both ways. Some real nice offensive highlights too
75thpercentile in points given up per


When spotting up has a quick release on his shot with good arc. I like.


Yes very concise stroke, that has potential off the dribble too. And he's a legit good defender


I just don't like that 6'5" height. In shoes.
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Luminous8 wrote:
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Great scouting video with PPP #s in every facet on Jacob Evans

Good numbers both ways. Some real nice offensive highlights too
75thpercentile in points given up per


When spotting up has a quick release on his shot with good arc. I like.


Yes very concise stroke, that has potential off the dribble too. And he's a legit good defender


I just don't like that 6'5" height. In shoes.


What if he's 6'6 when wearing Karl Malone catapults from L.A. Gear?
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject:

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Haven't seen this posted yet here. Looks like Lakers have already made a promise to draft Mitchell Robinson at 25 if he's around, according to nbadraft.net:

https://twitter.com/nbadraftnet/status/997744456597233671?s=19



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This could’ve leaked by his people to gain some momentum in getting picked higher.


Like I tweeted.

smoke szn.

Everyone can come at me with athleticism, dunks, and blocked shots, but can't tell me much outside of that. And then De'Anthony Melton is in the scrimmage, forced to skip a year not by choice, played at least 1 year of NCAA ball, and he's still younger than Mitchell Robinson. Melton, is working his way up and proving himself. But, people want to assume MR has a guarantee, so it's okay to cancel interviews and workouts. Shrug.


Feels.like you're starting to.take people's affinity for Mitchell Robinson personal. You and I both know he just doesnt seem like a player we take. Doesn't fit the mold. But if we do, then there's obviously a reason, something the FO sees. I trust our scouting department 100%.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject:

I think lumping Shamet in with other 40% 3 pt. shooters is a little unfair.

Wayne Ellington shot 39.7 in college... Shamet shot 44% twice... that extra 4% is huge as only the truly elite shooters manage that efficiency.

Not to mention his assists were double Wayne's.

As I said yesterday, I'm fine if we take someone like Huerter... but that extra efficiency is not something I would take lightly... it is rare.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 7:31 am    Post subject:

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I think lumping Shamet in with other 40% 3 pt. shooters is a little unfair.

Wayne Ellington shot 39.7 in college... Shamet shot 44% twice... that extra 4% is huge as only the truly elite shooters manage that efficiency.

Not to mention his assists were double Wayne's.

As I said yesterday, I'm fine if we take someone like Huerter... but that extra efficiency is not something I would take lightly... it is rare.


I specifically chose Ellington because he needs a lot of space to get his jump-shot off.

But in regards to numbers, like that extra shooting efficiency, or some guys with tremendous rebounding, etc., It shows the tremendous change within a draft class with the increased skill level, especially within the past several years. It wouldn't surprise me of Jalen Hudson became Allen Crabbe without the development time, or Jevon Carter being way better than Patrick Beverley at an earlier age and getting picked in the first round. They're both way ahead in terms of skill by age.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject:

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I specifically chose Ellington because he needs a lot of space to get his jump-shot off.

But in regards to numbers, like that extra shooting efficiency, or some guys with tremendous rebounding, etc., It shows the tremendous change within a draft class with the increased skill level, especially within the past several years. It wouldn't surprise me of Jalen Hudson became Allen Crabbe without the development time, or Jevon Carter being way better than Patrick Beverley at an earlier age and getting picked in the first round. They're both way ahead in terms of skill by age.


Yeah, I got that part and maybe he doesn't make the leap to the next level... but the Ray Allens, the Korvers, the Reggies shoot at 44%

And Landry can pass so I felt the Ellington upside seemed somewhat harsh.

I appreciate all the work and research you guys are doing and I'm taking it all in... but I'm just petrified that Golden State will take him... and then we're even further behind them in the arms race.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject:

Frankie Vision is starting to post combine highlights FYI

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I specifically chose Ellington because he needs a lot of space to get his jump-shot off.

But in regards to numbers, like that extra shooting efficiency, or some guys with tremendous rebounding, etc., It shows the tremendous change within a draft class with the increased skill level, especially within the past several years. It wouldn't surprise me of Jalen Hudson became Allen Crabbe without the development time, or Jevon Carter being way better than Patrick Beverley at an earlier age and getting picked in the first round. They're both way ahead in terms of skill by age.


Yeah, I got that part and maybe he doesn't make the leap to the next level... but the Ray Allens, the Korvers, the Reggies shoot at 44%

And Landry can pass so I felt the Ellington upside seemed somewhat harsh.

I appreciate all the work and research you guys are doing and I'm taking it all in... but I'm just petrified that Golden State will take him... and then we're even further behind them in the arms race.


Blame the screens.

Quickness of shot release is a great separator from a journeyman to a starter on a playoff team. I still think they draft Jevon Carter even if Quinn Cook is doing well.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:12 am    Post subject:

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Anyone have their ideas for #47? Working on a list of guys right now..

Carsen Edwards
Jalen Hudson
Bruce Brown
Alize Johnson
Allonzo Trier
Landry Shamet


Pj Washington



P.J. Washington ‘definitely going back to school’ without first round guarantee

https://www.yahoo.com/news/p-j-washington-definitely-going-153216800.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject:

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Frankie Vision is starting to post combine highlights FYI


Dude's skilled, but he's so small out there.
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Frankie Vision is starting to post combine highlights FYI


Dude's skilled, but he's so small out there.


Got serious HOPS!
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:28 am    Post subject:

Draft Notes: DiVincenzo, Spellman

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DiVincenzo met with the Lakers, Magic, Timberwolves, Trail Blazers, Cavaliers, Spurs, Hawks and Grizzlies at the combine and said he received a lot of “positive feedback.”
Spellman has upcoming workouts with the Lakers [May 23], Clippers [May 24], Spurs [26] and Jazz [28] that will likely influence his decision.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/05/draft-notes-divincenzo-spellman-walker-bearden.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject:

Maybe if the Lakers did in fact make a promise to Mitchell Robinson it was for another team and we make a Deng deal if he is still there at 25??
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Anyone have their ideas for #47? Working on a list of guys right now..

Carsen Edwards
Jalen Hudson
Bruce Brown
Alize Johnson
Allonzo Trier
Landry Shamet


- Think there is a good chance Edwards and Hudson pull out.
- Doubt Brown and Shamet are on the board @ #47
- I have Alize Johnson as a guy that may be able to be had as an Undrafted FA.
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Frankie Vision is starting to post combine highlights FYI


Dude's skilled, but he's so small out there.


Got serious HOPS!

True, and he's a tough dude (some might say "scrappy"). I just can't see him guarding 2s, though, and he may get eaten up on switches despite his "scrapiness."

I do like him more than guys like Shamet and Brunson, though.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject:

Vecenie and Zwicker on Jevon Carter.....

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/nba-draft-combine-recap-w-cole#t=41:28

JC's combine highlights...

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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Carsen Edwards - Strong Jordan Farmar, better shooter
Jalen Hudson - Allen Crabbe
Bruce Brown - late blooming UCLA Russell Westbrook, 8/10 athl
Alize Johnson- Poor man's Royce White
Allonzo Trier - Dillon Brooks
Landry Shamet - Wayne Ellington

Isaac Bonga - Billy Owens + athl
Kostas Antetokounmpo - Christian Wood without shooting
Rodions Kurucs -N/A
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - Anthony Parker or Sergei Karasev
Shake Milton - Tony Snell


I like most of these, though I still see Shamet as another Seth Curry and Svi as another Sasha Pavlovic.

Dribble, pass, shoot- slav does all 3 and will be there at our 2nd pick. I think bellinelli comp...better than caruso I know that at least.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject:

Sviatoslav isn't really a playmaker, or a slasher, but what makes it particularly interesting is how much more aggressive he attacks the rim in international play.

Thought he'd display that at the combine. Didn't. Kept stopping, picking up the dribble.
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