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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject:

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I really need to revisit Okogie & Frazier.

Reading more draft gossip. Celtics might like DiVincenzo if he's still on the board. Looks like he went out to lunch with Ainge after his workout. Disgusting


He's a Celtics type of guard
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For some reason, I just keep seeing Grayson Allen in P&G. Not sure why.


Please stop lol....can't have those visions come.to fruition.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:59 am    Post subject:

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I think Melvin Frazier has moved to the top of my board amongst guys who might be available at #25.


And it's so aggravating because Mike and I discussed him a couple of months the ago when he was relatively unknown. I was hoping for him at 47😟. Measurements, athleticism testing, what I expect to be good individual workouts/interviews have killed that dream.... Maybe even at 25.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:23 am    Post subject:

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I think Melvin Frazier has moved to the top of my board amongst guys who might be available at #25.



Yep, liking him too...
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:49 am    Post subject:

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I think Melvin Frazier has moved to the top of my board amongst guys who might be available at #25.



Yep, liking him too...


I like the show Frasier so he's got my vote
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject:

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justsomelakerfan wrote:
Yep. Yep. This is the guy. Must be drafted at all costs.


He legitimately has star potential.


Does he?
Seems like a shooter.
And able to get by college defenders. I'm having doubts he can get by NBA wings.
Do you think he can?


neither can Korver or JJ but they are hugely valuable players...

I don't know about star either


Star potential, IMHO in the way that Klay is, except, he can actually pass.

Keep in mind, neither Korver nor JJ really had any kind of passing/defensive abilities. Korver developed into a solid passer within the halfcourt. JJ was trying to figure out how to attack and get to the FT line which never really translated to the NBA level. Huerter is here running pick and rolls and making some advance passes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:37 am    Post subject:

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This is a smooth between-the-legs crossover to split the hedging big, into a crafty finish, especially for a guy who's the type of athlete that he is. He looks like Donovan Mitchell here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/65HOcrOW48JWWJiwHu/giphy.gif


It's a good crossover, but I'm concerned about how high his dribbles are. It shows in the prior video as well. Ball-handling refinement isn't an easy read next level.

I'm also skeptical about the jumpshot. It's not just the form, it's the trend. I think he dominated physically for his conference and outlengthed/athleticized everyone, hence the abnormally high 62% 2-point rate, but a sudden jump 12% in 3-point shooting to 38.5% when his current FT shooting is 71%, if you want to use that as an indicator; 55% freshman, 68% soph.

Both 3-point shooting and FT shooting have trended up, but the game logs, in season, show how hot/cold he can get.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/melvin-frazier-1/splits/2018

But, 1000% I expect him to defend next level, even with weird occasional off-ball lapses. Too much length/motor to compensate.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
I really need to revisit Okogie & Frazier.

Reading more draft gossip. Celtics might like DiVincenzo if he's still on the board. Looks like he went out to lunch with Ainge after his workout. Disgusting


It's so strange. I think Okogie has higher hoop IQ in terms of short range playmaking. I think Frazier is more "average", but also think he's the better ball-handler of the two, with a better chance of success at being a switch defender. Frazier, IMHO, uses a lot more of his athleticism in game than Okogie.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
2019 wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Yep. Yep. This is the guy. Must be drafted at all costs.


He legitimately has star potential.


Does he?
Seems like a shooter.
And able to get by college defenders. I'm having doubts he can get by NBA wings.
Do you think he can?


neither can Korver or JJ but they are hugely valuable players...

I don't know about star either


Star potential, IMHO in the way that Klay is, except, he can actually pass.

Keep in mind, neither Korver nor JJ really had any kind of passing/defensive abilities. Korver developed into a solid passer within the halfcourt. JJ was trying to figure out how to attack and get to the FT line which never really translated to the NBA level. Huerter is here running pick and rolls and making some advance passes.


Devin Booker?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:50 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
2019 wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Yep. Yep. This is the guy. Must be drafted at all costs.


He legitimately has star potential.


Does he?
Seems like a shooter.
And able to get by college defenders. I'm having doubts he can get by NBA wings.
Do you think he can?


neither can Korver or JJ but they are hugely valuable players...

I don't know about star either


Star potential, IMHO in the way that Klay is, except, he can actually pass.

Keep in mind, neither Korver nor JJ really had any kind of passing/defensive abilities. Korver developed into a solid passer within the halfcourt. JJ was trying to figure out how to attack and get to the FT line which never really translated to the NBA level. Huerter is here running pick and rolls and making some advance passes.


One thing Rob mentioned they loved about Kuzma was that there was an energy in his footwork and the way he moved that really stood out... Huerter seems to have that too
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject:

It's funny as the days go by and more and more prospects pop up on the radar, LG seems to keep switching on who the best prospect should be at 25.

Frazier seems to be the guy now.

My favorite for awhile now is Huerter, but he is probably gone by 25 and I don't think the Lakers waste assets to move up to get him with the LeBron sweepstakes looming.

Would not mind Frazier though, as he would be a nice piece behind or with Ingram out there.

Funny how we have cooled on Porter.

At least there seems to be a plethora of prospects that should be there at 25 so we should have a nice player when all is said and done.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject:

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Devin Booker?


It's difficult to make Booker-like projections because his role was so diminutive for Kentucky. Huerter shows more than that right now, but Booker looked transformed once he hit the NBA level. Like, who knew he could run PnR and pass?

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One thing Rob mentioned they loved about Kuzma was that there was an energy in his footwork and the way he moved that really stood out... Huerter seems to have that too


I love how he sees 1-2 frames ahead. It sticks out in a lot of things he does.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:53 am    Post subject:

lakerfanaticPT wrote:
It's funny as the days go by and more and more prospects pop up on the radar, LG seems to keep switching on who the best prospect should be at 25.

Frazier seems to be the guy now.

My favorite for awhile now is Huerter, but he is probably gone by 25 and I don't think the Lakers waste assets to move up to get him with the LeBron sweepstakes looming.

Would not mind Frazier though, as he would be a nice piece behind or with Ingram out there.

Funny how we have cooled on Porter.

At least there seems to be a plethora of prospects that should be there at 25 so we should have a nice player when all is said and done.


Huerter, Robinson, Porter, Frazier in no particular order seem to be the more coveted guys by this board and I think we're getting it right.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Yep. Yep. This is the guy. Must be drafted at all costs.


He legitimately has star potential.


Does he?
Seems like a shooter.
And able to get by college defenders. I'm having doubts he can get by NBA wings.
Do you think he can?

Yes, he's only 19 years old. I assume his handle and footwork will continue to improve along with his strength. The threat of his jumper opens everything up for him, so he needs to be a great NBA shooter as a foundation. I think he'll definitely get past NBA wings if they have to respect his three, but the bigger issue is whether he has the motor and the dog in him to be a star.

But he's a more exciting shooting prospect than lottery picks Jamal Murray, Buddy Hield, Luke Kennard, and even arguably Malik Monk.

Fight me, LG!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
I really need to revisit Okogie & Frazier.

Reading more draft gossip. Celtics might like DiVincenzo if he's still on the board. Looks like he went out to lunch with Ainge after his workout. Disgusting

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject:

Is it OK that I'd like to see Frazier take one handed lobs from Zo next year?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:31 am    Post subject:

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Is it OK that I'd like to see Frazier take one handed lobs from Zo next year?


I'd rather have Huerter throw Lonzo those lobs instead.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Yep. Yep. This is the guy. Must be drafted at all costs.


He legitimately has star potential.


Does he?
Seems like a shooter.
And able to get by college defenders. I'm having doubts he can get by NBA wings.
Do you think he can?

Yes, he's only 19 years old. I assume his handle and footwork will continue to improve along with his strength. The threat of his jumper opens everything up for him, so he needs to be a great NBA shooter as a foundation. I think he'll definitely get past NBA wings if they have to respect his three, but the bigger issue is whether he has the motor and the dog in him to be a star.

But he's a more exciting shooting prospect than lottery picks Jamal Murray, Buddy Hield, Luke Kennard, and even arguably Malik Monk.

Fight me, LG!


I only disagree on better shooting prospect than Monk and Kennard really. The difference here really, is Huerter has wing-size and the other guys listed, don't. More natural feel as an initiator than all of the guys listed too.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:02 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Is it OK that I'd like to see Frazier take one handed lobs from Zo next year?


I'd rather have Huerter throw Lonzo those lobs instead.


That would be nice too. He has that type of vision and passing ability to go along with his shooting though?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:07 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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Is it OK that I'd like to see Frazier take one handed lobs from Zo next year?


I'd rather have Huerter throw Lonzo those lobs instead.


That would be nice too. He has that type of vision and passing ability to go along with his shooting though?


I trust what I've seen. He played PG in HS too. That goes a long way for me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:20 am    Post subject:

Good timing by my buddy.

About Huerter:
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/5/25/17378668/2018-nba-draft-la-lakers-maryland-kevin-huerter
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Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
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Is it OK that I'd like to see Frazier take one handed lobs from Zo next year?


I'd rather have Huerter throw Lonzo those lobs instead.


That would be nice too. He has that type of vision and passing ability to go along with his shooting though?


I trust what I've seen. He played PG in HS too. That goes a long way for me.


Interesting.
He did have a 20.3 asst% last year.
What I like seeing from his stats from the year before, he also raised his FTr from .106 to .307
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject:

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I really need to revisit Okogie & Frazier.

Reading more draft gossip. Celtics might like DiVincenzo if he's still on the board. Looks like he went out to lunch with Ainge after his workout. Disgusting

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject:

I get the excitement generated by Frazier in terms of his combine performance and measurements... but how big a factor does strength of schedule play in judging a players stats?

What is the difference between a program in the top 20 of SOS vs. the forties vs. 95 like Tulane?

I'm not saying a great talent can't come from the lower teams... but how much do you handicap their stats?

It's also amazing how much he's improved since he was a freshman... did he not play high school ball? Did Dunleavy teach him?

I like his progression but he seems like a risk at 25.

https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/sos
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject:

Huerter is exactly what we need and possibly BPA.
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