Bill Oram has too much Grayson Allen content. We need Huerter content.
Oram's a fan of his.
Probably generates clicks, too, if an article about draft workouts leads with Allen over Huerter or Kubolka.
Did you like anyone else there at #47 or an UDFA? Freeman? Kubolka?
I liked what I saw of Kubolka, with the caveat that we don't get to see much. He had a nice stroke and is a fluid athlete. Freeman didn't stand out either way, and Makur Maker looked out of his element.
Did they put the ball in Kunolka's hands any and make him make decisions? Seemed like he was a guy like Ingles if I'm thinking of the right guy.
I'm sure they did, but we don't get to see that part of the workout.
Grayson isn't a bad pick if Huerter is gone... if he didn't look like Ted Cruz Jr., I think he'd have way less hate.
42 inch vertical?
Decent shot and ball handling skills... we could do way worse for a backup for Ball.
This is a deep draft and if you look at Grayson in totality as a prospect instead of the few telivised games you remember - he's not a good prospect. He measured poorly at the combine in terms of length, shot below avg from 3 this year, and isn't a creator...what is there to like about him. This draft is much better than him in the 1st round.
Divincenzo is who you wish Grayson was
I Rather take Grayson Allen...smh... He fearless. He wamts to win every time he steops out on the court. He not scarred to take the big shot. Look every game 1 to 2nd Quarter we might be up big time. What happens? People come out of halftime and cant shoot or fade away from being aggressive(Im looking at you Ingram). Even if someone can still shoot...This team plays NOOO Defense and the opposing team has a layup drill. I Rather then take Robinson. You can crazy at what i said all you want but none on this team plays nor can spell Defense. Also shooting free throws is cringe worthy every game. We keep getting shooters but less athletic in the defense department. Our main center had a hard time getting up and down the floor and stayed around the three line jacking up shots...Im just saying.
Del did good in the tournament but was he doing in regular season? Man...get we just stop the norm and get someone that aint scrarred of the spotlight and can play some defense and can Gods sake shoot a free throw?
Again, you're describing Divincenzo but DDV can shoot, dribble better, and is quicker
nooo see ive seen 4yrs of Grayson..so he is what he is and thats a player. He going to give you everything he got. What you see in the regular season he going to give in a tournament. The media calls him dirty and amped that up...smh which is kind of sad. He leg whipped someone...he..ah ah,,,gets frustated and fouls....talk to Rodman pushing Pippen into a goal post or Mchaeal clothesline Rambis...lol.
Grayson isn't a bad pick if Huerter is gone... if he didn't look like Ted Cruz Jr., I think he'd have way less hate.
42 inch vertical?
Decent shot and ball handling skills... we could do way worse for a backup for Ball.
One thing I'd like them to measure is vertical explosiveness. I think that's more practical.
For instance, using round #s, let's say Grayson Allen jumped 42 inches in 2 sec and another player jumped 38 inches but in only 1 sec.
I'd rather have the other player because he will always outjump Grayson Allen.
In basketball, it's pretty much who can jump higher faster. When 2 guys go for a rebound, it's who can get to the ball faster. Same thing w/ a jump ball or a poster dunk.
I think this is why Grayson Allen's 42 inch vertical doesn't translate in games. I think he's a slow jumper.
Grayson isn't a bad pick if Huerter is gone... if he didn't look like Ted Cruz Jr., I think he'd have way less hate.
42 inch vertical?
Decent shot and ball handling skills... we could do way worse for a backup for Ball.
This is a deep draft and if you look at Grayson in totality as a prospect instead of the few telivised games you remember - he's not a good prospect. He measured poorly at the combine in terms of length, shot below avg from 3 this year, and isn't a creator...what is there to like about him. This draft is much better than him in the 1st round.
Divincenzo is who you wish Grayson was
I Rather take Grayson Allen...smh... He fearless. He wamts to win every time he steops out on the court. He not scarred to take the big shot. Look every game 1 to 2nd Quarter we might be up big time. What happens? People come out of halftime and cant shoot or fade away from being aggressive(Im looking at you Ingram). Even if someone can still shoot...This team plays NOOO Defense and the opposing team has a layup drill. I Rather then take Robinson. You can crazy at what i said all you want but none on this team plays nor can spell Defense. Also shooting free throws is cringe worthy every game. We keep getting shooters but less athletic in the defense department. Our main center had a hard time getting up and down the floor and stayed around the three line jacking up shots...Im just saying.
Del did good in the tournament but was he doing in regular season? Man...get we just stop the norm and get someone that aint scrarred of the spotlight and can play some defense and can Gods sake shoot a free throw?
Again, you're describing Divincenzo but DDV can shoot, dribble better, and is quicker
nooo see ive seen 4yrs of Grayson..so he is what he is and thats a player. He going to give you everything he got. What you see in the regular season he going to give in a tournament. The media calls him dirty and amped that up...smh which is kind of sad. He leg whipped someone...he..ah ah,,,gets frustated and fouls....talk to Rodman pushing Pippen into a goal post or Mchaeal clothesline Rambis...lol.
You must’ve never seen Divincenzo play. Dude is tough as nails, is almost always engaged defensively, plays physical and had the best game of his career in the biggest game of his career.
Grayson isn't a bad pick if Huerter is gone... if he didn't look like Ted Cruz Jr., I think he'd have way less hate.
42 inch vertical?
Decent shot and ball handling skills... we could do way worse for a backup for Ball.
This is a deep draft and if you look at Grayson in totality as a prospect instead of the few telivised games you remember - he's not a good prospect. He measured poorly at the combine in terms of length, shot below avg from 3 this year, and isn't a creator...what is there to like about him. This draft is much better than him in the 1st round.
Divincenzo is who you wish Grayson was
I Rather take Grayson Allen...smh... He fearless. He wamts to win every time he steops out on the court. He not scarred to take the big shot. Look every game 1 to 2nd Quarter we might be up big time. What happens? People come out of halftime and cant shoot or fade away from being aggressive(Im looking at you Ingram). Even if someone can still shoot...This team plays NOOO Defense and the opposing team has a layup drill. I Rather then take Robinson. You can crazy at what i said all you want but none on this team plays nor can spell Defense. Also shooting free throws is cringe worthy every game. We keep getting shooters but less athletic in the defense department. Our main center had a hard time getting up and down the floor and stayed around the three line jacking up shots...Im just saying.
Del did good in the tournament but was he doing in regular season? Man...get we just stop the norm and get someone that aint scrarred of the spotlight and can play some defense and can Gods sake shoot a free throw?
Again, you're describing Divincenzo but DDV can shoot, dribble better, and is quicker
nooo see ive seen 4yrs of Grayson..so he is what he is and thats a player. He going to give you everything he got. What you see in the regular season he going to give in a tournament. The media calls him dirty and amped that up...smh which is kind of sad. He leg whipped someone...he..ah ah,,,gets frustated and fouls....talk to Rodman pushing Pippen into a goal post or Mchaeal clothesline Rambis...lol.
You must’ve never seen Divincenzo play. Dude is tough as nails, is almost always engaged defensively, plays physical and had the best game of his career in the biggest game of his career.
To me i dont like those that just have THAT One great game. Heck everyone prob got their "Kobe" Moment...but you cant be Kobe without being Kobe 365 days a week and that includes practice too. However every dog has one Jordan game they can bragg about. If Divincenzo goes back to college...will he go lottery next year? I know the answer and you do too? hehe.
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Grayson isn't a bad pick if Huerter is gone... if he didn't look like Ted Cruz Jr., I think he'd have way less hate.
42 inch vertical?
Decent shot and ball handling skills... we could do way worse for a backup for Ball.
This is a deep draft and if you look at Grayson in totality as a prospect instead of the few telivised games you remember - he's not a good prospect. He measured poorly at the combine in terms of length, shot below avg from 3 this year, and isn't a creator...what is there to like about him. This draft is much better than him in the 1st round.
Divincenzo is who you wish Grayson was
I Rather take Grayson Allen...smh... He fearless. He wamts to win every time he steops out on the court. He not scarred to take the big shot. Look every game 1 to 2nd Quarter we might be up big time. What happens? People come out of halftime and cant shoot or fade away from being aggressive(Im looking at you Ingram). Even if someone can still shoot...This team plays NOOO Defense and the opposing team has a layup drill. I Rather then take Robinson. You can crazy at what i said all you want but none on this team plays nor can spell Defense. Also shooting free throws is cringe worthy every game. We keep getting shooters but less athletic in the defense department. Our main center had a hard time getting up and down the floor and stayed around the three line jacking up shots...Im just saying.
Del did good in the tournament but was he doing in regular season? Man...get we just stop the norm and get someone that aint scrarred of the spotlight and can play some defense and can Gods sake shoot a free throw?
Again, you're describing Divincenzo but DDV can shoot, dribble better, and is quicker
nooo see ive seen 4yrs of Grayson..so he is what he is and thats a player. He going to give you everything he got. What you see in the regular season he going to give in a tournament. The media calls him dirty and amped that up...smh which is kind of sad. He leg whipped someone...he..ah ah,,,gets frustated and fouls....talk to Rodman pushing Pippen into a goal post or Mchaeal clothesline Rambis...lol.
You must’ve never seen Divincenzo play. Dude is tough as nails, is almost always engaged defensively, plays physical and had the best game of his career in the biggest game of his career.
To me i dont like those that just have THAT One great game. Heck everyone prob got their "Kobe" Moment...but you cant be Kobe without being Kobe 365 days a week and that includes practice too. However every dog has one Jordan game they can bragg about. If Divincenzo goes back to college...will he go lottery next year? I know the answer and you do too? hehe.
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I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that. _________________ substance over style
I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Was he dirty before espn start calling him dirty? Because before the infamous trip he was labeled to go in the top 20.....but espn say he dirty and blah blah..lol. Oooo and all he can do is drive in ....welll that sound like Randle the "Bull in a China Shop". O you said he can shoot tooo?....Well i expect that coming from Duke...I heard they had history of players that can actually shoot...Can he make a free throw?...Our team cant so we need one of those...lol. Has Donte played against NBA players? Maybe all the NBA players snuck into the opposing college jerseys in his regular college season...and thats why he couldnt play as well all season until the "big game"....lol. They couldnt get into the "Big Game" or it would look too suspicious,. One game should not determine a nba player...thats why back in the day many GMs valued 4year college players they knew what they were going to get. Grayson's body of work should over shadow a trip or some frustrations he might of showed in a game. I just wont somebody who's calling card is defense not offense...it doesnt work out too well in the 3rd and 4th qtr on this team.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:39 pm Post subject:
44TheLogo wrote:
I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Those incidents look like signs of mental weakness. Like he couldn't compete effectively, so he was going to resort those tactics; talent aside. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Those incidents look like signs of mental weakness. Like he couldn't compete effectively, so he was going to resort those tactics; talent aside.
Were the 2 tripping incidents the only things you guys are referring to?
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:45 pm Post subject:
JustaObserver wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Was he dirty before espn start calling him dirty? Because before the infamous trip he was labeled to go in the top 20.....but espn say he dirty and blah blah..lol. Oooo and all he can do is drive in ....welll that sound like Randle the "Bull in a China Shop". O you said he can shoot tooo?....Well i expect that coming from Duke...I heard they had history of players that can actually shoot...Can he make a free throw?...Our team cant so we need one of those...lol. Has Donte played against NBA players? Maybe all the NBA players snuck into the opposing college jerseys in his regular college season...and thats why he couldnt play as well all season until the "big game"....lol. They couldnt get into the "Big Game" or it would look too suspicious,. One game should not determine a nba player...thats why back in the day many GMs valued 4year college players they knew what they were going to get. Grayson's body of work should over shadow a trip or some frustrations he might of showed in a game. I just wont somebody who's calling card is defense not offense...it doesnt work out too well in the 3rd and 4th qtr on this team.
Except it wasn't one. It was multiple incidents over a few years. DV actual showed gradual improvement while Grayson has been the same exact guy for 3 years, and couldn't even make the most of all that 5* talent.
DV is way overachieving. Grayson peaked from the end of his frosh year to his soph year.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:46 pm Post subject:
epak wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Those incidents look like signs of mental weakness. Like he couldn't compete effectively, so he was going to resort those tactics; talent aside.
Were the 2 tripping incidents the only things you guys are referring to?
3 is 3 too many.
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I been watching Grayson for 4 years as a Duke die hard and I wouldn’t draft him, ever. Dude is flat out dirty, and completely brainless. He can’t create anything against nba athleticism - all he does is drive straight line at the rim going full speed off curls, or catch and shoot. He’s not an nba player. There’s no world in which he is a better prospect than Donte DiVincenzo, period. You can quote me on that.
Was he dirty before espn start calling him dirty? Because before the infamous trip he was labeled to go in the top 20.....but espn say he dirty and blah blah..lol. Oooo and all he can do is drive in ....welll that sound like Randle the "Bull in a China Shop". O you said he can shoot tooo?....Well i expect that coming from Duke...I heard they had history of players that can actually shoot...Can he make a free throw?...Our team cant so we need one of those...lol. Has Donte played against NBA players? Maybe all the NBA players snuck into the opposing college jerseys in his regular college season...and thats why he couldnt play as well all season until the "big game"....lol. They couldnt get into the "Big Game" or it would look too suspicious,. One game should not determine a nba player...thats why back in the day many GMs valued 4year college players they knew what they were going to get. Grayson's body of work should over shadow a trip or some frustrations he might of showed in a game. I just wont somebody who's calling card is defense not offense...it doesnt work out too well in the 3rd and 4th qtr on this team.
Except it wasn't one. It was multiple incidents over a few years. DV actual showed gradual improvement while Grayson has been the same exact guy for 3 years, and couldn't even make the most of all that 5* talent.
DV is way overachieving. Grayson peaked from the end of his frosh year to his soph year.
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