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Baron Von Humongous
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:37 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:39 am Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:47 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

Not a ton of off-ball equity, but it's not bad. Jacob Goldstein's PIPM (which may not be that efficacious when projecting from college, we'll have to see) projects Robinson to end up as a bottom third defender in this class, fwiw.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:52 am Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

4 guard system. BC improved defensively as a team when they lost a lot of veteran talent. Ky Bowman by himself isn't a +10 win dude.

But, people are really underrating Jerome's shooting ability, dynamically. I'm not just talking PPP, but also FG% straight up.

Cody Wright is a good dude.

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWire/status/1007343190142275584
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:59 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I agree, but I like Bowman more than Robinson. Something to discuss next draft.

I do dig Robinson as a useful bench scorer, and if Huerter, Melton, and a few others are off the board, I get it. I like him more than DiVincenzo, for example.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject:

Yep. That's why I have him as the "bridge" player. We could only wish that DV got that dynamic offensively. _________________ Resident Car Nut. https://lakersdraft.substack.com/ I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:36 pm Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Chris Stone with a quick, but info-packed breakdown of Zhaire Smith and Melton: There is no next Donovan Mitchell, but...

Been saying Melton is the closest thing in this draft to him

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:39 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I was reading on twitter t'hat Robinson was very poor when looking at him defensively I think it was cole that said that

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I was reading on twitter t'hat Robinson was very poor when looking at him defensively I think it was cole that said that

And that reflects in average Iso PPP on synergy.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:41 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I was reading on twitter t'hat Robinson was very poor when looking at him defensively I think it was cole that said that

And that reflects in average Iso PPP on synergy.

Well cole zwicker or whatever his name is was saying when looking at the defensive numbers he graded out as the worst of the prospect mocked to go in the first round or soemthing like that

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:07 pm Post subject:

Peloton has some interesting rankings he has heurter and melton as 11 and 12 in his rankings

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:09 pm Post subject:

Adam Himmelsbach ‏ Verified account @AdamHimmelsbach 2m 2 minutes ago More The buzz surrounding Boston College's Jerome Robinson has really escalated. Multiple sources telling me he could now go in the middle of the first round. In April he was slotted more in the 30-40 range.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:13 pm Post subject:

Didn't Melton workout for the Lakers today? Any rumblings about how it went?

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:15 pm Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:

Didn't Melton workout for the Lakers today?

Any rumblings about how it went?

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1007696489936637952

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:

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The buzz surrounding Boston College's Jerome Robinson has really escalated. Multiple sources telling me he could now go in the middle of the first round. In April he was slotted more in the 30-40 range.

It was a matter of time. Maybe this pushes Hutchison down.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I was reading on twitter t'hat Robinson was very poor when looking at him defensively I think it was cole that said that

And that reflects in average Iso PPP on synergy.

Well cole zwicker or whatever his name is was saying when looking at the defensive numbers he graded out as the worst of the prospect mocked to go in the first round or soemthing like that

Based on what numbers? I have synergy in front of me. Not that it matters anymore since he may be considered a mid 1st at this point.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Spot Up Average
P&R Ball Handler Average
Isolation Good
Off Screen Excellent
Hand Off Excellent
Post-Up Excellent

Is this bad defense?

Do you have %ile and PPP breakdown?

Yes, just not an easy way to translate it onto here.

Straight up, I read that and was like. Ok. It's KCP defense. The only thing that's different is the frequency of plays that he's involved in.

I was reading on twitter t'hat Robinson was very poor when looking at him defensively I think it was cole that said that

And that reflects in average Iso PPP on synergy.

Well cole zwicker or whatever his name is was saying when looking at the defensive numbers he graded out as the worst of the prospect mocked to go in the first round or soemthing like that

Based on what numbers? I have synergy in front of me. Not that it matters anymore since he may be considered a mid 1st at this point.

I guess maybe tape here is his tweet

Not all the way through yet, but pretty sure Robinson is the worst defensive player I've seen out of all the first round prospects this year. Terrible at mirroring, no reach, gets run through basically every time in attack situations, gambles too much, poor awareness. Yikes.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:05 pm Post subject:

Well I was hoping for a lot more info on Melton's workout. Especially after peloton ranked him high he had josh hart really high as well last year

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject:

After listening to Mike Schmitz on woj podcast today and seeing peloton I think it might be time i start taking Mitchell Robinson serious

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject:

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Terrible at mirroring, no reach, gets run through basically every time in attack situations, gambles too much, poor awareness. Yikes.

That could be a sample size/quality thing. Just saying.

I even linked a thread on twitter about some things that Jerome actually does on defense.

Man, I don't even take Cole's word 100% of the time.

Could easily say the same of Trae Young. Conveniently ignored.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 pm Post subject:

Hydro21 wrote:

After listening to Mike Schmitz on woj podcast today and seeing peloton I think it might be time i start taking Mitchell Robinson serious

yeah peloton had Robinson high too. Kind of have to figure out this trade. If your moving Ingram in a package for kawhi then maybe Robinson makes sense however if your moving Lonzo in the package then you have to take melton I think

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:31 pm Post subject:

vicman wrote:

Hydro21 wrote:

After listening to Mike Schmitz on woj podcast today and seeing peloton I think it might be time i start taking Mitchell Robinson serious

Melton isn't an effective point guard.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Hydro21 wrote:

After listening to Mike Schmitz on woj podcast today and seeing peloton I think it might be time i start taking Mitchell Robinson serious

Melton isn't an effective point guard.

The follow up question is, who is an effective PG at 25?
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

vicman wrote:

Hydro21 wrote:

After listening to Mike Schmitz on woj podcast today and seeing peloton I think it might be time i start taking Mitchell Robinson serious

Melton isn't an effective point guard.

With kawhi lebron and george the idea of Melton is to guard the pg but effectively be able to switch. The beauty of our roster would be that he wouldn't really have be a true pg

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