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AFireInside619
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Jonathin Ginvony latest Lakers mock:
Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
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Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1
The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.
Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project. |
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Talk that Zhaire Smith could slide to the Lakers is exciting to me, I am big on this guy.
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | Jonathin Ginvony latest Lakers mock:
Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
C
Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1
The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.
Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project. |
He's selling it but I am not buying. If it was a few years ago I would have agreed but Magic and Pelinka want to win sooner than later. As they saying goes Robinson is two year out from being two years out. A team like Atlanta that is blowing it all up to rebuild makes more sense.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | Talk that Zhaire Smith could slide to the Lakers is exciting to me, I am big on this guy. |
I like the idea of him but I'm not completely sold. Super high ceiling. I might like Melton better
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| Wow! Jerome Robinson and Aaron Holiday inn the green room?!? Amazing. Robinson I absolutely understand and am willing to be he goes LUCKY 13 ( Booker/Mitchell/LaVine) and he will be everything Mike expects lol. Holiday getting the invite has absolutely shocked me though. |
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Joe Pesci
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Any mention of Bates-Diop?
6’8.5 with an over 7’3 wingspan.
Defensive specialist who has shown the ability to shoot from outside.
Listed as a SF, but seems like he could play a lot of PF and maybe some small-ball Center down the road as well.
Could be a good backup SF, and could also be a great, potential replacement for Kuzma at backup PF if San Antonio stays firm on his inclusion in any trade package for Leonard.
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| Crazy the second year in a row the consensus top pick in HS became injury prone and fell like crazy. |
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Among the known invitations: Arizona's Deandre Ayton, Duke's Marvin Bagley III, Michigan State's Jaren Jackson Jr., Texas' Mo Bamba, Alabama's Collin Sexton, Oklahoma's Trae Young, Duke's Wendell Carter Jr., Missouri's Michael Porter Jr., Villanova's Mikal Bridges, Kentucky's Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Kentucky's Kevin Knox, Texas A&M's Robert Williams, Miami's Lonnie Walker, Villanova's Donte DiVincenzo, Texas Tech's Zhaire Smith, Boston College's Jerome Robinson, Boise State's Chandler Hutchison and UCLA's Aaron Holiday. |
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23813995/non-collegiate-players-unlikely-nba-draft-green-room-year
All 19 of these have 1st round guarantees? |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Any mention of Bates-Diop?
6’8.5 with an over 7’3 wingspan.
Defensive specialist who has shown the ability to shoot from outside.
Listed as a SF, but seems like he could play a lot of PF and maybe some small-ball Center down the road as well.
Could be a good backup SF, and could also be a great, potential replacement for Kuzma at backup PF if San Antonio stays firm on his inclusion in any trade package for Leonard. |
KBD doesn't have the athleticism to play SF in the NBA, he's strictly a PF with some ability to switch. He's not very dynamic offensively, using most of his possessions in the mid-post throughout his college career - looks pro teams won't give him due to lack of efficiency - and his 3pt shooting may be an anomaly due to a late career surge. To top it off, he doesn't use his length to create many disruptive events (likely due to lack of athleticism) and he hasn't demonstrated much overall offensive feel or passing vision.
KBD is as close to a "no draft" as it gets for me in the first round. At best the Lakers would get an old Luol Deng out of him. On a team like the Wolves with a defined role as a stretch PF, I can see him gaining traction and sticking in the league. But unless Kuzma is being traded, he's neither a fit nor BPA for the Lakers.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Any mention of Bates-Diop?
6’8.5 with an over 7’3 wingspan.
Defensive specialist who has shown the ability to shoot from outside.
Listed as a SF, but seems like he could play a lot of PF and maybe some small-ball Center down the road as well.
Could be a good backup SF, and could also be a great, potential replacement for Kuzma at backup PF if San Antonio stays firm on his inclusion in any trade package for Leonard. |
KBD doesn't have the athleticism to play SF in the NBA, he's strictly a PF with some ability to switch. He's not very dynamic offensively, using most of his possessions in the mid-post throughout his college career - looks pro teams won't give him due to lack of efficiency - and his 3pt shooting may be an anomaly due to a late career surge. To top it off, he doesn't use his length to create many disruptive events (likely due to lack of athleticism) and he hasn't demonstrated much overall offensive feel or passing vision.
KBD is as close to a "no draft" as it gets for me in the first round. At best the Lakers would get an old Luol Deng out of him. On a team like the Wolves with a defined role as a stretch PF, I can see him gaining traction and sticking in the league. But unless Kuzma is being traded, he's neither a fit nor BPA for the Lakers. |
Very informative opinion. Thank you.
I’m not going to profess to be an expert on him, but he seems to be quite the versatile defender: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uzgRu6CRs
I like his length and defense. Like Looney and other 6’9 guys with over 7’3 wingspans, don’t be surprised to see him get lots of minutes at Center.
He seems quite disruptive to me and Uses his length well to block a lot of shots.
I’m not an expert on the dude though, so my argument won’t go very deep. If you’ve seen him play actual games, preferably live so you could understand context, then I’ll concede to your superior knowledge.
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Joe Pesci
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And yes, I am putting my all of my ducks in order in case a trade is made at some point during the season for Mr. Leonard.
I’m not necessarily in favor of trading Ingram and Ball (and Kuzma) for Leonard, but if things play out during the season and that is looking like the best move for the team (ie. Ball shot stilll broke, Kuzma regresses, Ingram’s defense isn’t upper echelon), I want to be prepared and ready to secure him if it will benefit the team.
If there is never a trade, very likely, Bates-Diop, to me, in my very limited exposure, can play center next to Kuzma if need be.
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | Jonathin Ginvony latest Lakers mock:
Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
C
Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1
The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.
Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project. |
I believe Ginvony is highly respected. Maybe this promise is true? |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Any mention of Bates-Diop?
6’8.5 with an over 7’3 wingspan.
Defensive specialist who has shown the ability to shoot from outside.
Listed as a SF, but seems like he could play a lot of PF and maybe some small-ball Center down the road as well.
Could be a good backup SF, and could also be a great, potential replacement for Kuzma at backup PF if San Antonio stays firm on his inclusion in any trade package for Leonard. |
KBD doesn't have the athleticism to play SF in the NBA, he's strictly a PF with some ability to switch. He's not very dynamic offensively, using most of his possessions in the mid-post throughout his college career - looks pro teams won't give him due to lack of efficiency - and his 3pt shooting may be an anomaly due to a late career surge. To top it off, he doesn't use his length to create many disruptive events (likely due to lack of athleticism) and he hasn't demonstrated much overall offensive feel or passing vision.
KBD is as close to a "no draft" as it gets for me in the first round. At best the Lakers would get an old Luol Deng out of him. On a team like the Wolves with a defined role as a stretch PF, I can see him gaining traction and sticking in the league. But unless Kuzma is being traded, he's neither a fit nor BPA for the Lakers. |
Very informative opinion. Thank you.
I’m not going to profess to be an expert on him, but he seems to be quite the versatile defender: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uzgRu6CRs
I like his length and defense. Like Looney and other 6’9 guys with over 7’3 wingspans, don’t be surprised to see him get lots of minutes at Center.
He seems quite disruptive to me and Uses his length well to block a lot of shots.
I’m not an expert on the dude though, so my argument won’t go very deep. If you’ve seen him play actual games, preferably live so you could understand context, then I’ll concede to your superior knowledge. |
If KBD can anchor and rebound at center in the NBA, my opinion of him would go up immensely.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Any mention of Bates-Diop?
6’8.5 with an over 7’3 wingspan.
Defensive specialist who has shown the ability to shoot from outside.
Listed as a SF, but seems like he could play a lot of PF and maybe some small-ball Center down the road as well.
Could be a good backup SF, and could also be a great, potential replacement for Kuzma at backup PF if San Antonio stays firm on his inclusion in any trade package for Leonard. |
KBD doesn't have the athleticism to play SF in the NBA, he's strictly a PF with some ability to switch. He's not very dynamic offensively, using most of his possessions in the mid-post throughout his college career - looks pro teams won't give him due to lack of efficiency - and his 3pt shooting may be an anomaly due to a late career surge. To top it off, he doesn't use his length to create many disruptive events (likely due to lack of athleticism) and he hasn't demonstrated much overall offensive feel or passing vision.
KBD is as close to a "no draft" as it gets for me in the first round. At best the Lakers would get an old Luol Deng out of him. On a team like the Wolves with a defined role as a stretch PF, I can see him gaining traction and sticking in the league. But unless Kuzma is being traded, he's neither a fit nor BPA for the Lakers. |
Very informative opinion. Thank you.
I’m not going to profess to be an expert on him, but he seems to be quite the versatile defender: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uzgRu6CRs
I like his length and defense. Like Looney and other 6’9 guys with over 7’3 wingspans, don’t be surprised to see him get lots of minutes at Center.
He seems quite disruptive to me and Uses his length well to block a lot of shots.
I’m not an expert on the dude though, so my argument won’t go very deep. If you’ve seen him play actual games, preferably live so you could understand context, then I’ll concede to your superior knowledge. |
If KBD can anchor and rebound at center in the NBA, my opinion of him would go up immensely. |
Fair enough. For the record though, I don’t think their is much chance the Warriors let him get past them at #28.
He’s tailor-made for this NBA with his shotblocking ability plus ability to not be severely overmatched guarding every position on the floor. Mix in that an evolving effective jumper, good free throw shooting, and maturity, and you have a guy primed to step in right away (like Kuzma) and contribute day one — very attractive for contenders, of which I think the Lakers will be.
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I echo BVs summary verbatim. I don't agree w a lot of 94 feet report.
What's lost is how much physical development KBD has had already. How much more eohysical upside is there after gaining almost 40lbs NCAA?
When you watch KBD through a more developed MBAM lens, the perceived value rises dramatically.
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| Mike@LG wrote: |
I echo BVs summary verbatim. I don't agree w a lot of 94 feet report.
What's lost is how much physical development KBD has had already. How much more eohysical upside is there after gaining almost 40lbs NCAA?
When you watch KBD through a more developed MBAM lens, the perceived value rises dramatically. |
Again, I’m not an expert on him at all, never watched him play actual games, but are you essentially saying that you can’t envision Diop, a 22 year-old, gaining more weight, adding more strength and muscle mass?
If you are implying he can’t “grow” anymore, you must not remember Elden Campbell. He came to the Lakers 6’11, 205 soaking wet. He retired from the NBA at nearly 300 pounds. He can gain more weight and strength if he desires to, IMO. No problem.
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Lakers Interested In Selecting Prep-To-Pros Sensation Anfernee Simons
| Quote: | According to Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer, Los Angeles is one of a few teams that could be interested in selecting Simons at the end of the first round of the draft:
Kevin O'Connor@KevinOConnorNBA
Anfernee Simons is getting some first round buzz: The Blazers and Lakers are interested in the late first, per sources.
Heard Simons also impressed at a workout on Wednesday with the Cavs. Simons is raw but projects as an athletic scoring guard with size: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?player=anfernee_simons … |
https://www.lakersnation.com/nba-draft-rumors-lakers-interested-anfernee-simons-img-academy/2018/06/17/ |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | Jonathin Ginvony latest Lakers mock:
Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
C
Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1
The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.
Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project. |
I see M. Robinson being the 1st pick of the 2nd round. I don't think anyone is going to give him guaranteed money given his background. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | Jonathin Ginvony latest Lakers mock:
Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
C
Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1
The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.
Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project. |
I see M. Robinson being the 1st pick of the 2nd round. I don't think anyone is going to give him guaranteed money given his background. |
That's a good perspective. |
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We have a good history with prep to pros picks
I'm happy with the idea of Mitchell or Anfernee if our scouts like what they see. |
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Can't believe it's only 4 more days...
Hopefully we find out about our lotto pick before then. |
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| Honestly if Deng isn't traded by draft night I have my doubts that he will get traded in general |
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| epak wrote: | Can't believe it's only 4 more days...
Hopefully we find out about our lotto pick before then. |
Find out before? Totally impossible. To many teams pick ahead of the Lakers for us to actually know who will be there.
We will know on Thursday.
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