Mitchell Robinson
Landry Shamet
Anfernee Simmons
Shake Milton
Jevon Carter
Nick Richards (if he declares)
Shake Milton
Jaylen Adams
Troy Brown
Zhaire Smith
Chandler Hutchinson
Chimezue Metu
Aaron Holiday
Brandon McCoy
If we can walk away from the draft with and combination of two of these guys I'll be on cloud 9. Perhaps an SPL invite to LiAngelo as well.
Honestly, even if he ends up a good player, I still say no. We don't need more Ball drama. Especially not if we're courting LeBron/PG.
No more Ball kids for me either....they can play elsewhere and we focus on building a team, without their drama... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Haven’t seen much of Xavier this year but Macura looks like a really good option for the second round pick. Very smart on offense and has a lot of defensive potential.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:19 pm Post subject:
Jevon Carter's hands are lightning-quick when the ball is close to him, and it almost reminds me of watching Lonzo, in terms of the reflexes. I think Jevon is a better on-ball defender for sure, while Lonzo uses his length and smarts and vision to affect the game on D, along with being a plus athlete. Carter is more of an on-ball bulldog, but I am struck by how similar his hands are to Lonzo when the ball is anywhere near them. Impressive.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:23 pm Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Jevon Carter's hands are lightning-quick when the ball is close to him, and it almost reminds me of watching Lonzo, in terms of the reflexes. I think Jevon is a better on-ball defender for sure, while Lonzo uses his length and smarts and vision to affect the game on D, along with being a plus athlete. Carter is more of an on-ball bulldog, but I am struck by how similar his hands are to Lonzo when the ball is anywhere near them. Impressive.
Yeah I just said in the other thread reminds me of Ron Artest, but Lonzo is a good comparison too. Great hands on that end, easily best I’ve seen at NCAA level this year. _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject:
PartyMan wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Jevon Carter's hands are lightning-quick when the ball is close to him, and it almost reminds me of watching Lonzo, in terms of the reflexes. I think Jevon is a better on-ball defender for sure, while Lonzo uses his length and smarts and vision to affect the game on D, along with being a plus athlete. Carter is more of an on-ball bulldog, but I am struck by how similar his hands are to Lonzo when the ball is anywhere near them. Impressive.
Yeah I just said in the other thread reminds me of Ron Artest, but Lonzo is a good comparison too. Great hands on that end, easily best I’ve seen at NCAA level this year.
LOL OK, I replied to you on the other thread before this one!
Subject to change, but this is my relative order:
In bold are the guys I WANT in this relative order.
Zhaire Smith
Troy Brown
Anfernee Simons (on what VERY little I've seen, depending on interviews/work ethic)
Chandler Hutchison
Killian Tillie
Shake Milton
Mitchell Robinson
De'Anthony Melton
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
Aaron Holiday
Bruce Brown
Brandon McCoy
Jevon Carter
Devonte Graham
Alonzo Trier
Chimetze Metu
Travon Bluiett
Mike Daum
Jaylen Adams
Nick Richards
Thanks for posting this Mike. I was just going to ask you who was on your list this year.
I could make a case for either on paper. Brunson is an inch taller, a year younger, and little more efficient scorer.....Jevon is superior in box score categories outside of scoring, and obviously a better defender. In some ways they look very similar, but at the same time they are very different players.
Brunson is the leader of 'Nova....not the best player, but the clear leader......while Carter is literally the heartbeat of WVU basketball. 'Nova is likely still a #1 or #2 seed without Brunson, while nothing is the same for WVU without Carter. His Freshman year was the beginning of Press Virginia, and everything the team is or will be through the end of this season is tightly handcuffed to Carter. Carter does not have the same pure talent around him that gives him as many easy and wide open looks as Brunson who plays along side superior talent and in the less competitive (top to bottom) Big East. Simply, Carter could fill Brunson's shoes @ 'Nova, but there is no way in hell Brusnon could fill Carter's @ WVU.
Brunson is a hub that keeps everything flowing for 'Nova, while Carter's impact on offense and defense bends the court/game in WVU's favor most nights.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
OK draftniks, let's have a faceoff...Jalen Brunson or Jevon Carter. GO!
Brunson.
More efficient shooter.
Sees both corners of the floor.
Runs a better half-court set.
Involves himself as a potential shot creator within the halfcourt.
71.4% finishing at the rim 22.4% assisted vs. 51.2% 20% assisted
52.7% midrange vs 39.4% midrange
Already running NBA level sets through Villanova
Overlooked.
#1 PS/G
#1 Strength of Schedule
#1 Offensive rating team.
He's basically Super Fisher with yeah-long Playoff Fisher efficiency shooting and actual court vision. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:41 am Post subject:
BigGameHames wrote:
Haven’t seen much of Xavier this year but Macura looks like a really good option for the second round pick. Very smart on offense and has a lot of defensive potential.
He may not even get drafted. No need to use the pick on him. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:42 am Post subject:
babyskyhook wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Subject to change, but this is my relative order:
In bold are the guys I WANT in this relative order.
Zhaire Smith
Troy Brown
Anfernee Simons (on what VERY little I've seen, depending on interviews/work ethic)
Chandler Hutchison
Killian Tillie
Shake Milton
Mitchell Robinson
De'Anthony Melton
Shamorie Ponds
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
Aaron Holiday
Bruce Brown
Brandon McCoy
Jevon Carter
Devonte Graham
Alonzo Trier
Malik Newman
PJ Washington
Chimetze Metu
Travon Bluiett
Mike Daum
Jaylen Adams
Nick Richards
Thanks for posting this Mike. I was just going to ask you who was on your list this year.
Chances are I'll add more as time passes. But in a world so desperate for stretch 4s, I'm surprised Mike Daum doesn't get more attention. He's not athletic or explosive, but he rebounds, shoots NBA range, and has a 7'4" wingspan to compensate for 6'8" 245 PF size.
Frankly, I didn't add more guys to the list, because I don't like them as prospects:
Keita Bates Diop
Gary Trent Jr
Vince Edwards
Grayson Allen
Ethan Happ
Sviatoslav Mykhaulik
Kevin Hervey
Dzanan Musa _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:44 am Post subject:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
I'm popping into this thread kinda late, but I haven't really paid much attention this year. How do we feel about Aaron Holiday?
Good backup PG. I almost think he's a better shooting, shorter version of Clarkson. Quicker, stronger, but decision-making issues, sees half the floor, TO prone. Gets temperamental.
I think he has a higher ceiling. Motor and competitiveness should be looked at as a skill. He plays with a passion and fire that you see in stars.
Except his competitiveness has cost him games. Multiple decision-making issues, whether it's forcing the attack at the rim, forcing the shot from the arc, being overaggressive defensively and getting foul calls, TO prone. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Subject to change, but this is my relative order:
In bold are the guys I WANT in this relative order.
Zhaire Smith
Troy Brown
Anfernee Simons (on what VERY little I've seen, depending on interviews/work ethic)
Chandler Hutchison
Killian Tillie
Shake Milton
Mitchell Robinson
De'Anthony Melton
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
Aaron Holiday
Bruce Brown
Brandon McCoy
Jevon Carter
Devonte Graham
Alonzo Trier
Malik Newman
PJ Washington
Chimetze Metu
Travon Bluiett
Mike Daum
Jaylen Adams
Nick Richards
Thanks for posting this Mike. I was just going to ask you who was on your list this year.
Chances are I'll add more as time passes. But in a world so desperate for stretch 4s, I'm surprised Mike Daum doesn't get more attention. He's not athletic or explosive, but he rebounds, shoots NBA range, and has a 7'4" wingspan to compensate for 6'8" 245 PF size.
Frankly, I didn't add more guys to the list, because I don't like them as prospects:
Keita Bates Diop
Gary Trent Jr
Vince Edwards
Grayson Allen
Ethan Happ
Sviatoslav Mykhaulik
Kevin Hervey
Dzanan Musa
i haven't posted about daum before, but i think he's an NBA prospect for sure.
i also don't like any of the guys you listed there. though i'd add that i do not like metu, and i like killian tillie a LOT. _________________ substance over style
My only worry with Troy Brown atm is his three point shooting. other than that he's very solid. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
OK draftniks, let's have a faceoff...Jalen Brunson or Jevon Carter. GO!
Brunson.
More efficient shooter.
Sees both corners of the floor.
Runs a better half-court set.
Involves himself as a potential shot creator within the halfcourt.
71.4% finishing at the rim 22.4% assisted vs. 51.2% 20% assisted
52.7% midrange vs 39.4% midrange
Already running NBA level sets through Villanova
Overlooked.
#1 PS/G
#1 Strength of Schedule
#1 Offensive rating team.
He's basically Super Fisher with yeah-long Playoff Fisher efficiency shooting and actual court vision.
not sure where you sourced that SoS claim, but Villanova does not have the #1 Strength of Schedule, nor are they even close.
Also, when has he ever been overlooked? He is the likely favorite for College POY this year. He was a 5 Star prospect with offers from Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Kansas, UConn and many other high major programs.
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Few red flags against Mitchell Robinson from a scouts perspective about what's between the ears, and he already had a raw skillset and decided to not spend this year in competitive basketball which again could be a red flag in terms of his development and how long he'd take as centers take longer to develop anyway, having an already raw center whom is by choice not going against competitive competition is not good. It may make him available, but for a very big reason.
Personally if you want a 'project' center and aren't gonna continue to give Zubac/Bryant a chance to develop into that, then go look at Nick Richards of Kentucky.
I think that honestly if we're looking at a backup 4 role that could replace what LNJr did for us (if we commit to Kuzma at backup 3) then USC's Chimezie Metu is a fantastic choice for that.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject:
44TheLogo wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
babyskyhook wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Subject to change, but this is my relative order:
In bold are the guys I WANT in this relative order.
Zhaire Smith
Troy Brown
Anfernee Simons (on what VERY little I've seen, depending on interviews/work ethic)
Chandler Hutchison
Killian Tillie
Shake Milton
Mitchell Robinson
De'Anthony Melton
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
Aaron Holiday
Bruce Brown
Brandon McCoy
Jevon Carter
Devonte Graham
Alonzo Trier
Malik Newman
PJ Washington
Chimetze Metu
Travon Bluiett
Mike Daum
Jaylen Adams
Nick Richards
Thanks for posting this Mike. I was just going to ask you who was on your list this year.
Chances are I'll add more as time passes. But in a world so desperate for stretch 4s, I'm surprised Mike Daum doesn't get more attention. He's not athletic or explosive, but he rebounds, shoots NBA range, and has a 7'4" wingspan to compensate for 6'8" 245 PF size.
Frankly, I didn't add more guys to the list, because I don't like them as prospects:
Keita Bates Diop
Gary Trent Jr
Vince Edwards
Grayson Allen
Ethan Happ
Sviatoslav Mykhaulik
Kevin Hervey
Dzanan Musa
i haven't posted about daum before, but i think he's an NBA prospect for sure.
i also don't like any of the guys you listed there. though i'd add that i do not like metu, and i like killian tillie a LOT.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:48 pm Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
OK draftniks, let's have a faceoff...Jalen Brunson or Jevon Carter. GO!
Brunson.
More efficient shooter.
Sees both corners of the floor.
Runs a better half-court set.
Involves himself as a potential shot creator within the halfcourt.
71.4% finishing at the rim 22.4% assisted vs. 51.2% 20% assisted
52.7% midrange vs 39.4% midrange
Already running NBA level sets through Villanova
Overlooked.
#1 PS/G
#1 Strength of Schedule
#1 Offensive rating team.
He's basically Super Fisher with yeah-long Playoff Fisher efficiency shooting and actual court vision.
not sure where you sourced that SoS claim, but Villanova does not have the #1 Strength of Schedule, nor are they even close.
Also, when has he ever been overlooked? He is the likely favorite for College POY this year. He was a 5 Star prospect with offers from Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Kansas, UConn and many other high major programs.
My bad. It's more like average point rating with the strength of schedule.
SRS
Simple Rating System; a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average. Non-Division I games are excluded from the ratings. My colleague Doug Drinen of Pro-Football-Reference.com has written a great explanation of this method.
I've never heard of anyone talking about how Brunson runs the highest offensive rated team at the NCAA level. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I know I put a few prospects over the Laker projected pick because sometimes guys slip, but that list is basically 4 guys except Aaron Holiday. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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