I am a little biased but I think the Lakers should target Rawle Alkins with a late first round pick. I see a another hidden gem and a more athletic Dillon Brooks type player with the right development.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:11 am Post subject:
kobe_somebody_odom wrote:
I am a little biased but I think the Lakers should target Rawle Alkins with a late first round pick. I see a another hidden gem and a more athletic Dillon Brooks type player with the right development.
I'm on the Trier bandwagon but Alkins could have some appeal. Looks like he has a grown man''s body already, that's for sure.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:22 am Post subject:
What's the consensus on Shake Milton out of SMU? Seems like a good combo-guard option, one with good physical tools like fellow SMU swingman Semi Ojeleye - who was on my short list last year.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:32 am Post subject:
MIMLaker wrote:
What's the consensus on Shake Milton out of SMU? Seems like a good combo-guard option, one with good physical tools like fellow SMU swingman Semi Ojeleye - who was on my short list last year.
He's on my list for the first round. Elite shooter, 6'5", 7' WS. Kyle Anderson-like athleticism. Can be switchable on defense because of physical tools, maybe be net neutral defensively. Really underrated passer. Limited mistakes guy. I don't think he'll be a primary playmaker, but he's a dude you can just randomly throw at a guard or wing spot (kind of like Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart starting in the backcourt), and he'd fit right in and add some defensive versatility.
I am concerned that he's 48.3% at the rim, and takes roughly 20% of his shots at the rim. So worst case, Tony Snell, but with a clue for passing.
Ideally, the Lakers would want Sterling Brown for a guy with a similar archetype. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
MIMLaker wrote:
What's the consensus on Shake Milton out of SMU? Seems like a good combo-guard option, one with good physical tools like fellow SMU swingman Semi Ojeleye - who was on my short list last year.
He's on my list for the first round. Elite shooter, 6'5", 7' WS. Kyle Anderson-like athleticism. Can be switchable on defense because of physical tools, maybe be net neutral defensively. Really underrated passer. Limited mistakes guy. I don't think he'll be a primary playmaker, but he's a dude you can just randomly throw at a guard or wing spot (kind of like Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart starting in the backcourt), and he'd fit right in and add some defensive versatility.
I am concerned that he's 48.3% at the rim, and takes roughly 20% of his shots at the rim. So worst case, Tony Snell, but with a clue for passing.
Ideally, the Lakers would want Sterling Brown for a guy with a similar archetype.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:41 pm Post subject:
LakersRGolden wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
MIMLaker wrote:
What's the consensus on Shake Milton out of SMU? Seems like a good combo-guard option, one with good physical tools like fellow SMU swingman Semi Ojeleye - who was on my short list last year.
He's on my list for the first round. Elite shooter, 6'5", 7' WS. Kyle Anderson-like athleticism. Can be switchable on defense because of physical tools, maybe be net neutral defensively. Really underrated passer. Limited mistakes guy. I don't think he'll be a primary playmaker, but he's a dude you can just randomly throw at a guard or wing spot (kind of like Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart starting in the backcourt), and he'd fit right in and add some defensive versatility.
I am concerned that he's 48.3% at the rim, and takes roughly 20% of his shots at the rim. So worst case, Tony Snell, but with a clue for passing.
Ideally, the Lakers would want Sterling Brown for a guy with a similar archetype.
Sounds like a perfect off-guard next to Lonzo.
Yeah. I'm trying to not buy into "fit." We didn't "need" another PF because of Randle and LNJ, we drafted Kuzma, and bam. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
i LOVE tremont waters' skills. his handle and footwork are breathtaking at times. but i really struggle to see a guy with his physical profile succeeding in the NBA. he doesn't have the strength of an earl boykins, the bounce of a nate robinson, the acceleration of a isaiah thomas. i think there's just better options if you're going to roll the dice on a draft pick. _________________ substance over style
i LOVE tremont waters' skills. his handle and footwork are breathtaking at times. but i really struggle to see a guy with his physical profile succeeding in the NBA. he doesn't have the strength of an earl boykins, the bounce of a nate robinson, the acceleration of a isaiah thomas. i think there's just better options if you're going to roll the dice on a draft pick.
I think you're underrating his quickness/acceleration.. I look for clear ++wins there with him, and I always see them. this 'bigman' he dusts is twitchy.
burst , pretty effortlessly.
this is the quickness I specifically look for man. you can't succeed as a little-man without it being this elite - and he actually accelerates impressively twice, once on the finish-step. that's the athleticism I look for, also helps him finish/leap.
that little man quick/slitheryness ..
got some moves for a Freshman..at 5'11 at that. I also think his finishing is beyond his years. It reminds me of Isaiah.. The really slithery finishing+touch that I didn't see with Felder..
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
MIMLaker wrote:
What's the consensus on Shake Milton out of SMU? Seems like a good combo-guard option, one with good physical tools like fellow SMU swingman Semi Ojeleye - who was on my short list last year.
He's on my list for the first round. Elite shooter, 6'5", 7' WS. Kyle Anderson-like athleticism. Can be switchable on defense because of physical tools, maybe be net neutral defensively. Really underrated passer. Limited mistakes guy. I don't think he'll be a primary playmaker, but he's a dude you can just randomly throw at a guard or wing spot (kind of like Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart starting in the backcourt), and he'd fit right in and add some defensive versatility.
I am concerned that he's 48.3% at the rim, and takes roughly 20% of his shots at the rim. So worst case, Tony Snell, but with a clue for passing.
Ideally, the Lakers would want Sterling Brown for a guy with a similar archetype.
Sounds like a perfect off-guard next to Lonzo.
Yeah. I'm trying to not buy into "fit." We didn't "need" another PF because of Randle and LNJ, we drafted Kuzma, and bam.
Agreed. BPA is always the best. You can move things around later for fit. I'm just imagining scenarios.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:36 pm Post subject:
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i LOVE tremont waters' skills. his handle and footwork are breathtaking at times. but i really struggle to see a guy with his physical profile succeeding in the NBA. he doesn't have the strength of an earl boykins, the bounce of a nate robinson, the acceleration of a isaiah thomas. i think there's just better options if you're going to roll the dice on a draft pick.
I think you're underrating his quickness/acceleration.. I look for clear ++wins there with him, and I always see them. this 'bigman' he dusts is twitchy.
burst , pretty effortlessly.
this is the quickness I specifically look for man. you can't succeed as a little-man without it being this elite - and he actually accelerates impressively twice, once on the finish-step. that's the athleticism I look for, also helps him finish/leap.
that little man quick/slitheryness ..
got some moves for a Freshman..at 5'11 at that. I also think his finishing is beyond his years. It reminds me of Isaiah.. The really slithery finishing+touch that I didn't see with Felder..
Yea I guess I don’t think he’s coming out this tear anyway so we can’t watch movies for 2019 or 2020 _________________ substance over style
We've selected at pick #27 two of the last three years, having done pretty well in both cases. Just as an interesting thing, look at #s 26 and 27 over the last five drafts
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:47 am Post subject:
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length has simply not been a factor in him being a Big 12 1st Team All Defense all 4 years and the National Defensive Player of the Year.
I put little credibility in NCAA defensive awards. Carter earned his, yes. It just tells me he's legit for NCAA comp.
What does elite NBA level PG defense look like? Chris Paul is the most IQ defender I've ever seen. Marcus Smart has all of the tools, plus motor and defensive IQ. Lonzo Ball wasn't known for his defense at UCLA, and yet at the NBA level, he looks legit. A big part of that is because he shows motor, but it's the height/wingspan/IQ that make the most of his efforts. I can expect Lonzo Ball to make recovery block if he gets blown by. I don't expect that of Carter. That's how tough of a step it is next level. Even LNJ had multiple defensive accolades, and he's what, an above average defender at PF, not good at all defensively at C, and has a tough time against elite PFs like Blake Griffin?
we disagree on Carter....and will likely continue to disagree....and next year if he is productive in the NBA, I will likely bring it up often and if not, I will mostly ignore and hope nobody brings it to my attention.
btw, what are your thoughts on Sags Konate? I am really surprised I never see his name mentioned anywhere...even as a person of interest. Not sure if you have watched much WVU this season, but he is an unbelievable rim protector. He is only listed @ 6'8" most places and 6'9" others....but I am guessing he has good length. I have honestly seen few with his anticipation, ability to remain vertical, and his ability to block shots with either hand (often he uses both like volleyball). He does not yet have a 3 point shot....but he has real nice touch out to about 18 feet (78% FT Shooter), and has some very nice moves in the post. Again, his shot blocking ability is unique. If you have watched him, any idea where he could fit in the NBA?
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:07 am Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
Man, I'm not even an NBA player but even I'm 5'8" (somehow I've grown the past 6 months and I'm definitely not of growing age) and have a 6'1" wingspan.
It kind of makes me chuckle. Isaiah Thomas' wingspan is 6'2.75". Still a ridiculous liability despite legit WS by height, but at least it helps him with ball-handling.
you have NBA wingspan.....
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the average adult man has an arm span 2.1 inches longer than his height. According to DraftExpress’s historical numbers, the average NBA prospect is 4.4 inches longer than he is tall.
like I said previously, I want to see Carter's actual measurements at the combine.....will not be surprised if he ends up around 6'1"ish with a 6'5"ish wingspan.
I have a feeling this pick will be a two way wing or combo guard 1-2 or 2-3
Or even better 1-3 (I think we already have the 1-3 in hart and 3-4 in Kuzma). So, I think we’re going try swingman 2-3. A Corey brewer replacement..someone who can play defense, slash and most importantly get out and run. Shooting would be nice but I don’t think that’s a priority...defense and finishing imo. We want to run teams into the ground...
Anyways whether you agree or not I’m curious if there are any prospects like that in this draft. I’m usually on top of the nba draft but I fell off this season. Any suggestions?
Seems like a wing is the most popular speculation and interest for the late first pick. Any thoughts on selecting a center?
There seems to be a few floating around the mid 20's to low 30's that could be available to the Lakers. Adding a more athletic or defensive center to the mix may not be a bad idea. Do any stand out to anyone?
Going to be interesting to see how or if the Center position is handled in free agency. From what I have seen of Zubac and/or Bryant they are not ready to play significant mpg unless there is a big leap over the summer.
it's from the Yahoo report....Kuzma was also listed....probably means nothing for the guys no longer playing in college.
Don’t think anything will happen to the guys who have already moved on, but this is getting closer and closer to the NCAA tipping point. They are in trouble imo and have to overhaul how business is done. Transparency, structure for paying athletes, etc.
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:40 am Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Man, I'm not even an NBA player but even I'm 5'8" (somehow I've grown the past 6 months and I'm definitely not of growing age) and have a 6'1" wingspan.
It kind of makes me chuckle. Isaiah Thomas' wingspan is 6'2.75". Still a ridiculous liability despite legit WS by height, but at least it helps him with ball-handling.
you have NBA wingspan.....
Quote:
the average adult man has an arm span 2.1 inches longer than his height. According to DraftExpress’s historical numbers, the average NBA prospect is 4.4 inches longer than he is tall.
like I said previously, I want to see Carter's actual measurements at the combine.....will not be surprised if he ends up around 6'1"ish with a 6'5"ish wingspan.
Yeah, I'd like official measurement too. It's weird that Carter has a wingspan 2" longer than mine, aside from him being 6'2" _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:32 am Post subject:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Mike@lg, what is your take on Melvin frazier? 6'6 sg with a 7 ft wingspan and a 2 way player? Seems like he is a late first round pick?
one guy I thought of in response to PICKnPOP's question. Also a few others include Chandler Hutchinson (Boise St.), Zhaire Smith (Texas Tech), Dzanan Musa (Bosnia), Tyus Battle (Syracuse), Troy Brown (Oregon)
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:35 am Post subject:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Mike@lg, what is your take on Melvin frazier? 6'6 sg with a 7 ft wingspan and a 2 way player? Seems like he is a late first round pick?
I don't think he'll be around the Lakers pick. Super explosive. Has some motor. Hits the boards. A lot of qualities to like. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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