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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: After watching The philly "process" players some may believe the Grass is Greener...

on the other side. it is. But there's a reason for that.

Pay attention to the win%. Mind you, this is in the soft east. lets look all the way back to the 90's til right now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/


Now take a look at your los angeles lakers from the mid 90's til now. Mind you thats in the tough west.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/

There is no way you can expect a team to sustain that every year and still get the best draft picks
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject:

philly looks real promising right now man
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject:

They have a brighter future than us. I don't know what relevance this thread has.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

It is weird how patience with a young team pays off in the long term rather than the short term. What a weird concept.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Our problems are bigger than the players, bad ownership, and bad coaching.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: After watching The philly "process" players some may believe the Grass is Greener...

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on the other side. it is. But there's a reason for that.

Pay attention to the win%. Mind you, this is in the soft east. lets look all the way back to the 90's til right now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/


Now take a look at your los angeles lakers from the mid 90's til now. Mind you thats in the tough west.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/

There is no way you can expect a team to sustain that every year and still get the best draft picks


The 90ís were two decades ago, they have no bearing on today.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Lakers have had picks as good as Philly, Embiid was the number 3 pick. They hit on a couple and got a couple stars, that's all that matters. It takes a couple stars to lay your foundation. They have it, the Lakers don't. Sometimes you get Tim Duncan, other times you get Michael Olowakandi.
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Inverse wrote:
Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there


well DLO is hurt right now so he would not have played tonight
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: After watching The philly "process" players some may believe the Grass is Greener...

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on the other side. it is. But there's a reason for that.

Pay attention to the win%. Mind you, this is in the soft east. lets look all the way back to the 90's til right now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/


Now take a look at your los angeles lakers from the mid 90's til now. Mind you thats in the tough west.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/

There is no way you can expect a team to sustain that every year and still get the best draft picks


The 90ís were two decades ago, they have no bearing on today.


The last decade has bearing. Philly has sucked for so long, they were bound to get some franchise players. I doubt Embiid stays healthy. Simmons is the real deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject:

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They have a brighter future than us. I don't know what relevance this thread has.
the purpose is this. as laker fans I've noticed as of late we envy all of the teams that look good now because they sucked for 20 plus years. or they intentionally tanked for years and years and years and years and years. or they sucked for 8 years straight or so. these teams have not been anywhere near a championship prior to their most recent success. yet you will hear a lot of laker fans championing their success. as if, its not just due to the reality of them losing for so long and eventually hitting the jackpot on some super talented picks. If you keep pulling that handle at some point you will hit the jackpot.
Then the same fans will get mad at the lakers FO (old or new) and blame them because we are not in the spot as these other teams. not taking into account that the lakers have not sucked for decades at a time. the lakers only recently started tanking and that wasnt even done on purpose which started with kobe being injured and an entire host of lakers being injured year in and year out.

When you look at those win percentages from a team like philly for all those years then you look at the lakers. You have to realize, this is what happens SOMETIMES when you win that much for that long. Sometimes the sorry guys are going to get a shot at the lime light while you sit on the sidelines waiting to make those Free agent moves. and thats usually all it will ever be for us. we win too much. we will have to draft some pieces that most likely wont be superstars. and then pair those nice pieces with a couple of superstar FA's. whoever that may be. we just dont lose enough to draft, curry, klay, draymond, or Embid, Simmons, and Fultz

or the greek freak, Parker, Thon, etc, etc. or even the celtics where they only won one title, and disbanded the team quickly to start tanking/rebuilding earlier. so they could have a ton of picks.

when all that was going down, the lakers were winning a lot of games. and a lot of rings.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject:

Inverse wrote:
Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there


Well Kuzma would not be in that line-up since Kuz was acquired via trade
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
CantStopJM wrote:
They have a brighter future than us. I don't know what relevance this thread has.
the purpose is this. as laker fans I've noticed as of late we envy all of the teams that look good now because they sucked for 20 plus years. or they intentionally tanked for years and years and years and years and years. or they sucked for 8 years straight or so. these teams have not been anywhere near a championship prior to their most recent success. yet you will hear a lot of laker fans championing their success. as if, its not just due to the reality of them losing for so long and eventually hitting the jackpot on some super talented picks. If you keep pulling that handle at some point you will hit the jackpot.
Then the same fans will get mad at the lakers FO (old or new) and blame them because we are not in the spot as these other teams. not taking into account that the lakers have not sucked for decades at a time. the lakers only recently started tanking and that wasnt even done on purpose which started with kobe being injured and an entire host of lakers being injured year in and year out.

When you look at those win percentages from a team like philly for all those years then you look at the lakers. You have to realize, this is what happens SOMETIMES when you win that much for that long. Sometimes the sorry guys are going to get a shot at the lime light while you sit on the sidelines waiting to make those Free agent moves. and thats usually all it will ever be for us. we win too much. we will have to draft some pieces that most likely wont be superstars. and then pair those nice pieces with a couple of superstar FA's. whoever that may be. we just dont lose enough to draft, curry, klay, draymond, or Embid, Simmons, and Fultz

or the greek freak, Parker, Thon, etc, etc. or even the celtics where they only won one title, and disbanded the team quickly to start tanking/rebuilding earlier. so they could have a ton of picks.

when all that was going down, the lakers were winning a lot of games. and a lot of rings.


Philly last made the playoffs in 2012, Lakers 2013. Lakers have been as awful almost as long. Your theory holds zero water. You're comparing eras from a decade to 2 decades ago and comparing it to guys who have been in the league for 5 years. Giannis was picked in 2013.

Lakers have been tanking too, they didn't draft any all stars. And their last GM compounded the problem by throwing 130 million at two washed up bums. Go look what Ainge did with Boston. There are ways to rebuild, Lakers just suck at it. While Kuchak was grasping onto Gasol and throwing millions at Mozgov and Deng, Philly and Boston made trades for future lottery picks. Philly has two young stars, and either the Lakers pick this year (if it falls at 1 or after 7) or Sacramento's next year. Boston raided the Nets of multiple high lotto picks and will have the Lakers pick or Sacto's pick next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: After watching The philly "process" players some may believe the Grass is Greener...

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on the other side. it is. But there's a reason for that.

Pay attention to the win%. Mind you, this is in the soft east. lets look all the way back to the 90's til right now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/


Now take a look at your los angeles lakers from the mid 90's til now. Mind you thats in the tough west.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/

There is no way you can expect a team to sustain that every year and still get the best draft picks


The 90ís were two decades ago, they have no bearing on today.
reading is fundamental vent. i said Start with the mid 90s til NOW.

All that winning matters. You can't win like that for that long and still accumulate a ton of high picks to either trade like boston or have like the bucks(who have sucked since Tim Thomas and Big dog robinson and ray allen(and they sucked before then which is how they got that team.) or gstate who has sucked since Run TMC just about. philly got AI because they sucked so badly post Charles Barkley it wasnt even funny. Post AI philly was actually doing okay with the original youth movement. but they cancelled that one and started trading away vets or letting them walk and tanking like no tomorrow.

the lakers were winning a lot during the entire time and winning rings as well. If it wasnt for kobe's injuries. shoot, we would still be winning games as recently as say last year. we would've still been a .500 ball club with an old man kobe and some pieces. which would mean the tank rebuild would've been started later as well.

Your old front office did try. between them trying to get rid of aging stars/borderline star in gasol and odom, and the having bynum around as the next one up pre knees. then the cp3 nixed deal. knees and nixed trade. killed any fast track to back to winning and that also killed our future building block guys. which would've been drew and cp3 or howard and cp3 or cp3 and anyone else. so we started from scratch but never with a #1 pick. It is..what it is. Enjoy Embid(if he stays healthy) and enjoy simmons. These dudes are fun to watch and legit. the lakers could still be right in the mix if /when we get these FA's. just dont be mad about other super sorry franchises finally getting lucky and ending up with star talent via draft classes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:08 pm    Post subject:

Our mentality should have been "Develop our draft picks for the next 3-4 seasons and see what we have" and started trying to make a legitimate run around the 2019 season.

Pretty much thinking this was Jim and Mitch's plan.

However Magic came in and is now trying to rush everything to happen by 2017 and it's hurting us more than it's helping us.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:08 pm    Post subject:

LakerLand247 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there


Well Kuzma would not be in that line-up since Kuz was acquired via trade


Kuzma wasn't acquired in the deal. The Lakers acquired a late first. Kuzma happened to be available. The Lakers may pick him at 28 instead of Hart if no deal is done. If Kuzma goes earlier, Lakers are (bleep) out of luck at 27. The deal was Lopez and a late first for Russell and the Mozgov dump.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject:

They looked like men among boys out there. Haven't seen (bleep) like that in a long time. I think they're the two best players to come into the league this decade.
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splashmtn wrote:
CantStopJM wrote:
They have a brighter future than us. I don't know what relevance this thread has.
the purpose is this. as laker fans I've noticed as of late we envy all of the teams that look good now because they sucked for 20 plus years. or they intentionally tanked for years and years and years and years and years. or they sucked for 8 years straight or so. these teams have not been anywhere near a championship prior to their most recent success. yet you will hear a lot of laker fans championing their success. as if, its not just due to the reality of them losing for so long and eventually hitting the jackpot on some super talented picks. If you keep pulling that handle at some point you will hit the jackpot.
Then the same fans will get mad at the lakers FO (old or new) and blame them because we are not in the spot as these other teams. not taking into account that the lakers have not sucked for decades at a time. the lakers only recently started tanking and that wasnt even done on purpose which started with kobe being injured and an entire host of lakers being injured year in and year out.

When you look at those win percentages from a team like philly for all those years then you look at the lakers. You have to realize, this is what happens SOMETIMES when you win that much for that long. Sometimes the sorry guys are going to get a shot at the lime light while you sit on the sidelines waiting to make those Free agent moves. and thats usually all it will ever be for us. we win too much. we will have to draft some pieces that most likely wont be superstars. and then pair those nice pieces with a couple of superstar FA's. whoever that may be. we just dont lose enough to draft, curry, klay, draymond, or Embid, Simmons, and Fultz

or the greek freak, Parker, Thon, etc, etc. or even the celtics where they only won one title, and disbanded the team quickly to start tanking/rebuilding earlier. so they could have a ton of picks.

when all that was going down, the lakers were winning a lot of games. and a lot of rings.


Philly last made the playoffs in 2012, Lakers 2013. Lakers have been as awful almost as long. Your theory holds zero water. You're comparing eras from a decade to 2 decades ago and comparing it to guys who have been in the league for 5 years. Giannis was picked in 2013.

Lakers have been tanking too, they didn't draft any all stars. And their last GM compounded the problem by throwing 130 million at two washed up bums. Go look what Ainge did with Boston. There are ways to rebuild, Lakers just suck at it. While Kuchak was grasping onto Gasol and throwing millions at Mozgov and Deng, Philly and Boston made trades for future lottery picks. Philly has two young stars, and either the Lakers pick this year (if it falls at 1 or after 7) or Sacramento's next year. Boston raided the Nets of multiple high lotto picks and will have the Lakers pick or Sacto's pick next year.


the theory holds water well. lol.

The lakers are in the best conference hands down. getting to the playoffs in the east is EASY. and has been for a very long time. winning games in the east is easy too. so to be that bad as philly has been . you have to TRY to be that bad intentionally.

The lakers didnt tank. the lakers just were not good enough to not get destroyed in the BEST conference. without a non injured star old man player.

Thats another key difference. the lakers got here by way of injuries (bynum, Kobe) and a nixed cp3 deal. whats phillies excuse for losing like that when they actually had a nice team of kids growing up together? they wanted to pull slot handle again. thats what. i aint mad. it is what it is. i just neeed my fellow laker fans to stop wanting to be these sorry franchises thinking they did something special when in reality all they did was suck for a very long time over all and eventually have enough top picks to get lucky and end up with a star or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject:

LakerLand247 wrote:
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Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there


Well Kuzma would not be in that line-up since Kuz was acquired via trade
they are going to comeback and say we still could've picked up kuz. blah blah blah. point is, he was apart of the trade. and sorry as much as i liked dlo. i will take Lopez and Kuz while dumping moz, every day of the week and twice on sundays.
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Our problems are bigger than the players, bad ownership, and bad coaching.


You mean like Trump?
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splashmtn wrote:
LakerLand247 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
Hard for me to imagine we lose this game if D'Angelo Russell is on our squad still

Lonzo
DLO
Ingram
Kuzma
Randle

would've beaten the sixers today, even if they were having career nights. Yeah I know, DLO isn't on the team, move on blah blah blah. W/e point is, we've drafted good players too

The loss today is on Luke. He embarrassed Randle by letting him get destroyed out there


Well Kuzma would not be in that line-up since Kuz was acquired via trade
they are going to comeback and say we still could've picked up kuz. blah blah blah. point is, he was apart of the trade. and sorry as much as i liked dlo. i will take Lopez and Kuz while dumping moz, every day of the week and twice on sundays.


Go back and download yesterday's Mason & Ireland when they interviewed Kuzma. Kuz said that three teams were interested in him. The Lakers, The Nets, and The Spurs. With this evidence coming from the mouth of Kuzma himself, the chances of him being there at #28 doesn't look very good.

The team who wins the trade is usually the team that got the best player. I like DLO a lot, but if I had to choose between the two, right now it would be Kuzma. They are both about the same age, they both are masterful at their craft on offense, but I feel Kuzma offers a lot more of a complete style of play. I guess the next 7 years can tell who won the trade, but I am a fan of what i'm seeing from Kuz.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers have had picks as good as Philly, Embiid was the number 3 pick. They hit on a couple and got a couple stars, that's all that matters. It takes a couple stars to lay your foundation. They have it, the Lakers don't. Sometimes you get Tim Duncan, other times you get Michael Olowakandi.


embid only fell that low due to his injury history.

thats not how it went down. those teams were not CONSTANTLY intentionally tanking to keep trying for the next jackpot. We forget that they had another Big man, and they have another high pick big off the bench.

lol look at these high picks.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-team/history-of-the-nba-draft-philadelphia-76ers/

Then look at the lakers

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-team/history-of-the-nba-draft-los%20angeles-lakers/


NIGHT and DAY

even gstate who gets credit for the Draymon pick. but still. look at how many 1st rounders and top 20 1st rounders.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-team/history-of-the-nba-draft-golden%20state-warriors/

going back to like 2000.

lets look at the bucks
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-team/history-of-the-nba-draft-milwaukee-bucks/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:51 pm    Post subject:

If we get PG next year, bleep the process.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:53 pm    Post subject:

Embiid is talented but fragile. There's a pretty good chance his career gets limited by future injuries.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject:

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If we get PG next year, bleep the process.

And Lebron.
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